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Car Forum / Jaguar Cars / November 2008

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1990 xj40 - Too Hot ???

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Happy Trails - 11 Nov 2008 15:01 GMT
I've been trying to get this vehicle to pass Ontario Provincial
"driveclean" emissions test, and it fails on NOx - 1000-2000 ppm when
it should be 500 or below.

There are a number of possible reasons which I have been correcting
slowly, but for this either the engine is running too hot or the
cat-cons are not working anymore.

With respect to the hot running, I have also had the vehicle indicate
low oil pressure after warmup all the time, and I assumed it was just
the sender not working well, because the previous driver, my brother,
told me it has always been like that - and it still seems to run okay!

However, I notice now that it does not heat up the coolant as I
believe it should, even now that the weather is getting quite cold in
this climate.

I'm thinking maybe the radiator needs a flushing, or maybe the
thermostat is stuck closed.  Just now I drove around town a few miles,
and immediately afterwards the large hose leading back into the engine
near the water pump is still very cool to touch, whereas the one going
from the thermostat is warm but not real hot.

There is no pressure in the plastic overflow/refill reservoir, and the
liquid in there is barely warm.

Is this the way this cooling system is supposed to work, or had I
better flush everything and check the water pump and thermostat?

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks,   Tom
Mr Smooth - 13 Nov 2008 08:42 GMT
> I've been trying to get this vehicle to pass Ontario Provincial
> "driveclean" emissions test, and it fails on NOx - 1000-2000 ppm when
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> There is no pressure in the plastic overflow/refill reservoir, and the
> liquid in there is barely warm.

Hi Tom, Sounds like your thermostat is stuck open (common fault) easy
to fix. Is your he ater working? Temp gauge should rise to middle of
gauge after 2miles ish from cold. It should not move after that no
matter how you drive the car. This proves correct operation of
thermostat.

I would have thought as your car is 1990 it would have a oil pressure
gauge on the dashboard (analoge dials). When the engine is warm at
idle it should at least be at the first mark off the stop and rise to
the middle of gauge at fast idle 1500-2000rpm.

It is worrying that your oil light is on as this switch only activates
at very low pressures 5psi or less probably.

Yours Mr Smooth
Happy Trails - 13 Nov 2008 11:55 GMT
>Hi Tom, Sounds like your thermostat is stuck open (common fault) easy
>to fix. Is your he ater working? Temp gauge should rise to middle of
>gauge after 2miles ish from cold. It should not move after that no
>matter how you drive the car. This proves correct operation of
>thermostat.

This IS how the warmup takes place - Temp gauge rises to middle of
gauge after 2miles ish from cold. Does not move after that no
matter how you drive the car.  Heater works.  So I guess thermostat's
okay.

>I would have thought as your car is 1990 it would have a oil pressure
>gauge on the dashboard (analoge dials). When the engine is warm at
>idle it should at least be at the first mark off the stop and rise to
>the middle of gauge at fast idle 1500-2000rpm.

It has the gauge.  Needle moves as described, but a bit lower than I'd
like to see when engine is cold, then once it warms up it is down at
the bottom of the gauge.  If I stop when warm at a light it is almost
at the bottom of the gauge, and the light will blink on.

>It is worrying that your oil light is on as this switch only activates
>at very low pressures 5psi or less probably.

So maybe the engine is beat for now but darn - it runs so well.

I don't have the time or place to pull it apart, so maybe I will just
store it for another year.

The head fixit guy at a nearby Jaguar dealer bothered himself to
engage in a brief telephone conversation a few days ago, and said that
when they get an old one with a high NOx reading that won't pass
emissions tests they tear it apart and clean the carbon out, if the
owner wants to spends the thousands that they charge for that.

Sounds like I might be in for doing at least that much to it anyway,
as a by-product of doing more serious engine work!

I bought a fuel pressure gauge last week - is the an easy place to
plumb it in temporarily to verify that my oil pressure gauge is
telling me the sad truth?  I'll most likely need a different thread
adapter for that if there is a convenient place.

Once I get the Haynes I assume I'll be able to answer questions like
this more easily myself.
Mr Smooth - 14 Nov 2008 12:06 GMT
Hi Tom,

Don't panic on the oil pressure front as i,ve just spotted this on jag
lovers...

The 'true reading' oil pressure transducer is notoriously
inaccurate. Jaguar now will only supply an oil pressure
switch to replace them (equivalent to an 'idiot light')
which gives a mid-gauge reading providing you have _any_ oil
pressure at all.

So there is hope yet, and I know in general the bottom end of these
engines is good for at least 200k miles.

As you say it runs well so that make sense.

The jag mechanic you mentioned doing a de-carb, or as we know it a de-
coke, on the engine could well have hit the nail on head. Deposits of
carbon and other nasty substances will build up in the combustion
chamber over the life of a vehicle. It gets on the valves especially
the exhaust ones and can cause flow and combustion tempurature/
pressure problems.

A good thing to do would be to have the head off and clean her up
after a compression test or leak down test as confermed or denied any
possible probs. Its not as bad a job as it looks though nearly and can
be done in the garage at home with the minimum of tools.

It just occured to me that you may want to flush your engine coolent
as these heads are prone to corrosion in the water ways if it is not
done every two years and replenished with at least 50% anti freeze. As
an aside the brake fluid also comes under the two year change rule,
though there is a special way to bleed the system on these cars,
explained in the haynes manual.

Hope this is not to confusing! Mr Smooth
 
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