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peter wezeman - 02 Mar 2004 19:26 GMT

The new Cadillac CTS-V has received a lot of good press lately, being
compared favorably with the BMW M series sports sedans. Presuming that
the Ford Motor Company wanted to enter this market niche, would
it be technically feasible to tune the existing Lincoln LS-Jaguar Type S
platform to achieve comparable performance, or would they be better
off to start with a new design?

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Peter Wezeman
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Hey Now! - 03 Mar 2004 02:16 GMT

Have you seen the S-Type R?

Pretty good place to start, if you ask me.

>The new Cadillac CTS-V has received a lot of good press lately, being
>compared favorably with the BMW M series sports sedans. Presuming that
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pdb - 03 Mar 2004 15:25 GMT

I just saw a raod test comparison of the CTS and the S-R in , I think, Road
& Track. Read it hanging out the newsstand this weekend.
Basically, they said with the the S-Type you had to check the tach to see if
your engine was running, but it really put some some numbers up when you
pushed it; they still don't like the Jag gear shift lever. Nor did they
like that it had an automatic!
The CTS they didn't like because it has a Chevy Camaro engine that loped and
gurgled at idle. They thought for the price, they should get more than a
Camaro. They liked that it had a stick shift!

> Have you seen the S-Type R?
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Paddington - 09 Mar 2004 19:52 GMT

They already do deliver comparable performance. I don't know or care about a
Lincoln, but an S-type R with any kind of modifications would easily put it
ahead of the CTS-V. In stock form, they are neck and neck.. The BMW M5 and
Mercedes E55 AMG are already light years ahead of the Cadillac as far as
Performance, and with the new M5 and E55 not far away, GM is about to be
that much farther behind.

> The new Cadillac CTS-V has received a lot of good press lately, being
> compared favorably with the BMW M series sports sedans. Presuming that
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peter wezeman - 12 Mar 2004 02:33 GMT

> They already do deliver comparable performance. I don't know or care about a
> Lincoln, but an S-type R with any kind of modifications would easily put it
> ahead of the CTS-V. In stock form, they are neck and neck.. The BMW M5 and
> Mercedes E55 AMG are already light years ahead of the Cadillac as far as
> Performance, and with the new M5 and E55 not far away, GM is about to be
> that much farther behind.

According to a recent review in _Car and Driver_ the CTS-V had lap times on
a road racing course slower that a BMW M3 and faster than an M5 driven by
the same drivers on the same day. Problems with a slow leak and coolant
temp sensors prevented them from doing as many laps with the Cadillac as
they would have preferred. I have not seen it tested against a Mercedes AMG.

I have seen the article about the Jaguar S-type R and it seems to be very
impressive. If there were to be a Lincoln-badged version it might make
sense to differentiate them by offering a manual transmission. Of course,
Ford could have Jaguar be their performance division, and retain Lincoln
as a marque for more traditionally American-style luxury cars, but I
think this would be a mistake as this market segment is in severe
decline.

Thanks to all who replied,

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist

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