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Car Forum / Jeep / May 2006My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Bill and Mike Romain should sh.t or get off the pot. Either establish a moderated NG or quit howling every time someone they don't like breaks their Charter. I know full well it is selectively enforced. Bill is an old goof with extreme opinions. In America you are allowed to be an old goof with extreme opinions. Whoever is doing the drive-by sh.tting all over the NG is no friend or hero of mine or anyone else. It takes no great skill or achievement. They are far bigger losers than Bill. If someone beat the hell out of them I would not be displeased. Your mileage may vary. Have a nice day. Hi Bret, You don't really want a moderated new group, plus the only way that would work is if the groups only access was made via only one Internet Service Provider, such as my COX.net, all others would have to be excluded. The way it works now is adequate, all you have to is copy the offenders header and forward their message to their ISP, and if enough people complain, they will eat the forty bucks and close that account. Like in marriage and government, we get what we deserve. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Bill and Mike Romain should sh.t or get off the pot. Either establish > a moderated NG or quit howling every time someone they don't like [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your mileage may vary. Have a nice day. Moderated NGs are pretty clean of unapproved posts. You can set up a bot, also, that will filter out most stupid and vicious posts. You can ban "profane" words and lots of other stuff. Bret, There is a moderated newsgroup for Colorado EMS providers. (Yahoo! groups coems) The moderator won't pass anything, that even hints of misconduct by any Colorado EMT. If you are familiar at all with EMS, you should know, that misconduct is the rule rather than the exception. I for one subscribe to any newsgroup in the perhaps vain hope that I may learn something, in addition of course to the all important entertainment consideration. That moderated newsgroup, is useless for learning anything. When you get your moderated Jeep newsgroup, you can hang out there. Leave the unmoderated newsgroup, this one, to the big boys. How's the Deutz? Earle > Moderated NGs are pretty clean of unapproved posts. You can set > up a bot, also, that will filter out most stupid and vicious posts. You > can ban "profane" words and lots of other stuff. > When you get your moderated Jeep newsgroup, you can hang out there. Leave > the unmoderated newsgroup, this one, to the big boys. > > How's the Deutz? The Deutz is on hold for awhile, but I did get new cylinders on ebay at a good price and it will wind up in a Jeep of one sort or another. I've had other vehicle problems but they are now under control. It's probably going to be next year before I even get the Deutz assembled and running. I did get a beautiful South Wind heater for a Corvair, which will solve the heat problem beautifully. <ROTFLMAO> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > The Deutz is on hold for awhile, but I did get new cylinders on ebay > at a good price and it will wind up in a Jeep of one sort or another. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I did get a beautiful South Wind heater for a Corvair, which will > solve the heat problem beautifully. Bill, That was too soon. I was hoping to draw him out. Earle > <ROTFLMAO> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I did get a beautiful South Wind heater for a Corvair, which will > > solve the heat problem beautifully. I didn't stop him, Bret's worse than a rabid dog on diesels, almost as bad as you. ;-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Bill, > > That was too soon. I was hoping to draw him out. > > Earle One thing I know though. Anybody who claims to be my friend, they mean it, or they're just plain nuts. There are a surprising number of people, who claim to be my friends. Lots of these posts use the dizum.com mail2news gateway. I wrote abuse@dizum.com a long email, threatening to complain long and loud about them, to every NNTP server administrator I could find. I "CC"ed every news server on the header, that I got with one of the postings. The poster uses anonymous remailers, which the dizum web site "claims" cannot be traced, but far too many of them use mail2news@dizum.com as the final step in the process. You could make the argument, that for legal purposes, dizum.com is the originator of these posts and should do something about it. Earle > I didn't stop him, Bret's worse than a rabid dog on diesels, almost > as bad as you. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Earle Hi Earle, And they're nuts, too. ;-) I've been doing that, of course I'm only an irritating squeaking wheel to them, but they already block thousands of Asian domain, it's just get someone to do it. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > One thing I know though. Anybody who claims to be my friend, they mean it, > or they're just plain nuts. There are a surprising number of people, who [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Earle >Hi Earle, > And they're nuts, too. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Earle Do your worst fuckboi. No one likes a netKKKop anyway, a.shole. I'm sure after your "long email" that the dizum operators now know that you are a netKKKopping a.shole - the very people they offer their service to defeat - and I'll have nothing to worry about. dizum is one of the oldest remailers around and I'm sure they've heard it all before. Go suck the goatcum from Billys a.s and you two can live a happy little life together, dickhead. > I didn't stop him, Bret's worse than a rabid dog on diesels, almost > as bad as you. ;-) > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O With fuel prices the way they are and with full-mechanical diesel engines available and not that tough to use, contrary to the willful LIES on certain web sites, I know diesels are not for everyone but are way underutilized. Diesels have a lot of advantages for offroad use, and in most countries a 4WD with a gas engine is not taken seriously. I am not trying to get everyone to convert. But there are at least a few people who would be way better off with a diesel. The Deutz probably is not the best all around choice, I'm doing it for hobby value to a certain extent. "advantages for offroad use" I notice you got to name one. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > With fuel prices the way they are and with full-mechanical diesel > engines available and not that tough to use, contrary to the willful [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > probably is not the best all around choice, I'm doing it for hobby > value to a certain extent. > "advantages for offroad use" I notice you got to name one. Low end torque, perhaps? Ability to irritate the 'ell out of the tree huggers? Less flamability of fuel when spilled while inverted? <grin> That's a design of camshaft duration. Plus a heavy flywheel use by diesels to push through their up to twenty four to one compression ratio, which was used on the stock Kaiser Buick V6 to change it's torque and push it through it's odd fire. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Low end torque, perhaps? > > Ability to irritate the 'ell out of the tree huggers? > > Less flamability of fuel when spilled while inverted? <grin> Grumman-581 proclaimed: >> "advantages for offroad use" I notice you got to name one. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Less flamability of fuel when spilled while inverted? <grin> The ability to smell like burnt french fries? I have been retired for ten years, and everything I do is a hobby. The way I look at it, a hobby is something you want to take pride in. I get more obsessed about my hobbies, than I never did about work. I would never, ever, do something as cheesy as using used jugs off of Ebay, for example. When I decided to learn Spanish, I got a bachelor's degree in it, and spent six months in a part of Spain, where no one speaks English. Now I am going for a master's degree. Just for a hobby. Why don't you use something good? Earle > > I didn't stop him, Bret's worse than a rabid dog on diesels, almost > > as bad as you. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > probably is not the best all around choice, I'm doing it for hobby > value to a certain extent. > I have been retired for ten years, and everything I do is a hobby. The way > I look at it, a hobby is something you want to take pride in. I get more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Why don't you use something good? The Deutz is a good design. i went out and got new cylinders, does that make you happy? > > I have been retired for ten years, and everything I do is a hobby. The way > > I look at it, a hobby is something you want to take pride in. I get more [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The Deutz is a good design. i went out and got new cylinders, does > that make you happy? Good design for a wood chipper maybe. Jeeps do a lot of idle speed rock crawling. Any air cooled engine is going to overheat if idled too much. I think it's just a bad choice, like trying to learn Spanish or Arabic from cassette tapes. Then fly to Marrakech and try to get around. Your first day on the trail with the Deutz, if you get that far, is going to be like that. Bill will be glad you sprung for new cylinders though. :-) Earle Quiet, just because the quads use coolant: http://www.atvsource.com/manufacturers/honda/2002/rubicon.htm let Bret figure out why the engine cooked in the first place. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Good design for a wood chipper maybe. Jeeps do a lot of idle speed rock > crawling. Any air cooled engine is going to overheat if idled too much. I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Earle > Quiet, just because the quads use coolant: > http://www.atvsource.com/manufacturers/honda/2002/rubicon.htm let Bret > figure out why the engine cooked in the first place. Probably because the earlier air cooled quads were lacking a cooling blower. > > Quiet, just because the quads use coolant: > > http://www.atvsource.com/manufacturers/honda/2002/rubicon.htm let > > Bret figure out why the engine cooked in the first place. > > Probably because the earlier air cooled quads were lacking a cooling > blower. It looks as if you may have tuned in late. Bret is planning to use an air cooled Deutz engine, out of a wood chipper, that he got cheap because the previous owner had cooked it. Earle > Quiet, just because the quads use coolant: > http://www.atvsource.com/manufacturers/honda/2002/rubicon.htm let Bret > figure out why the engine cooked in the first place. You don't think it was the fact they ran it without oil, plus, the several pounds of burnt leaves, twigs and dead rodents in the cooling fins? The crankcase when filled with biodiesel and allowed to sit a couple of days discharged a huge amount of filth and sludge too. Yet it wasn't totally destroyed. > > Quiet, just because the quads use coolant: > > http://www.atvsource.com/manufacturers/honda/2002/rubicon.htm let Bret [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > couple of days discharged a huge amount of filth and sludge too. Yet it > wasn't totally destroyed. The Onans I used to work on would get oil on the cooling fins. Then dust from the environment would glue itself to the oil, providing a base for even more oil to stick there, and so on. The stuff would build up, just like it does on an air cooled Volkswagen with advanced mileage. Remember the squarebacks, with the paint burned off around the engine cooling vents? It would have been cool, to paint flames around them, but who needs that, when you have real flames? Gunk is not a good thermal conductor. A problem is that you cannot readily clean the oil and "stuff" off the cooling fins, without removing some sheet metal. How this works out for you, depends on how the beast fits under the hood. Another problem, is that you cannot run an air cooled engine at idle, without losing cooling capacity. This loses you one of the advantages of a diesel for rock crawling, or even cruising along logging roads on a Sunday afternoon--low speed torque. You can't run them at the low speed, that you want to. Earle <<snip>> > The Onans I used to work on would get oil on the cooling fins. Then dust > from the environment would glue itself to the oil, providing a base for even [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > would have been cool, to paint flames around them, but who needs that, when > you have real flames? Most Type III/IV fires happened beacuse of fuel leaks, not oil gumming. It never happened on the Type I you will remember. It's pretty easy to get pankake sheetmetal off and spray it down with Stoddard solvent , which is the fix. Spray it down cold and let it sit a couple of hours. > Gunk is not a good thermal conductor. A problem is that you cannot readily > clean the oil and "stuff" off the cooling fins, without removing some sheet > metal. How this works out for you, depends on how the beast fits under the > hood. On the Deutz it's fairly easy to get the blower off and spray the engine down with Stoddard solvent. > Another problem, is that you cannot run an air cooled engine at idle, > without losing cooling capacity. This loses you one of the advantages of a > diesel for rock crawling, or even cruising along logging roads on a Sunday > afternoon--low speed torque. You can't run them at the low speed, that you > want to. Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine. ----snippy---- > Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will > crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine. An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size crank pulley will help more. Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into town. Earle > ----snippy---- > > Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into > town. The Deutz has a distinctive and healthy sound. That's true. But it also has a very well designed blower system that keeps it cool across the power band as long as you are not lugging it. Low speed crawling is using little power so the heads do not need to flow all that much air. The Deutz oiling is designed to use an outboard oil cooler at all times which should be a low resistance affair. ALL air cooled engines are partially oil cooled engines too, and the Deutz is designed with that in mind. Before I got into working on this one I didn't realize how much German design went into these little buggers and what workhorses they are. No, I adjust for the mentality of the wannabee diesel owner. Truck drivers excepted. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > You don't think it was the fact they ran it without oil, plus, the > several pounds of burnt leaves, twigs and dead rodents in the cooling > fins? The crankcase when filled with biodiesel and allowed to sit a > couple of days discharged a huge amount of filth and sludge too. Yet it > wasn't totally destroyed. > > The Deutz is a good design. i went out and got new cylinders, does > > that make you happy? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > day on the trail with the Deutz, if you get that far, is going to be like > that. Deutz engines are used extensively in applications where that is common. The air system is very sophisticated and keeps the engine cool under about any condition except trying to make power under lugging conditions. Provided he gears it to crawling at FAST idle and watches his oil temps he will be fine. The big problem with Deutzes is fouling of the cylinders with airborne debris. Rock crawling should not be a problem. Roadway Package Systems had Deutz powered delivery trucks and aside from not having heat in the truck the reliability was astonishingly good once the mechanics learned to maintain them properly. > > > The Deutz is a good design. i went out and got new cylinders, does > > > that make you happy? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > from not having heat in the truck the reliability was astonishingly > good once the mechanics learned to maintain them properly. That's what I'm talking about, trying to make power under lugging conditions. The Jeep gearing may be low enough to avoid that, but I don't know the Deutz power band myself. Cylinders can get fouled with dust too, if there is the slightest oil leak. Typically, you would have to traverse a few miles of gravel and/or dirt road, to get to the rocks. Is it practical to give the engine a bath, once you get it dirty? Q: "So why does Roadway always use two drivers?" A. "One knows the way there, and the other knows the way back!" Earle LOL And I thought it was the union needed a fireman. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > That's what I'm talking about, trying to make power under lugging > conditions. The Jeep gearing may be low enough to avoid that, but I don't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Earle Well start one then, it's a lot of work, Sandman here has a couple in his signature, but look where he's at. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Moderated NGs are pretty clean of unapproved posts. You can set up a > bot, also, that will filter out most stupid and vicious posts. You can > ban "profane" words and lots of other stuff. Flush! Goatfucker post. -=- This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services. Flush! Goatfucker post. -=- This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services. Bret Ludwig proclaimed: > Moderated NGs are pretty clean of unapproved posts. You can set up a > bot, also, that will filter out most stupid and vicious posts. You can > ban "profane" words and lots of other stuff. Or you can apply the filter lodged securely in a case of bone on top of your neck. Flush! Goatfucker post. This newsgroup has a formal Charter. It is a rec group and was set up that way. Mentioning the Charter 'normally' stops advertisers. Posting it like it is supposed to be posted gives ISP's legitimate reason to pull an idiots plug for abuse. Only a.sholes come back at it with new names. You should actually go and 'read' the charter before shooting off your mouth about it being 'my' Charter. It is located here with the full voting process: ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys 'I' had nothing to do with setting up the Charter or the voting on it, nor do I go around reporting posts I don't like. I might get mouthy about them now and then, but I don't netcop them and I never get lippy about off topic posts in any other group I post in because they don't have a Charter. If 'you' don't like it, 'you' are free to leave or please just killfile me or any post that has the word 'Charter' in it so you don't have to waste your time. Mike > Bill and Mike Romain should sh.t or get off the pot. Either establish > a moderated NG or quit howling every time someone they don't like [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your mileage may vary. Have a nice day. |
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