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1998 Jeep Cherokee Sport Question #1-Towing-Transmission Cooler per owner's manual

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sam owens - 28 May 2006 00:26 GMT
Hi,

I have already found the answer to one of my towing questions here but
I have more. The manual states: Transmission Cooler......Auxiliary
Cooler Required. I found what they are.

My question: Do I need one?  I'm going to tow my 700lb motorcycle from
Michigan to California in September,

Thanks,

Sam

I have more question but that's it for now
DougW - 28 May 2006 00:44 GMT
sam owens did pass the time by typing:
> Hi,
>
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> My question: Do I need one?  I'm going to tow my 700lb motorcycle from
> Michigan to California in September,

"probably not"  I've towed a trailer from Calagary Alberta to Oklahoma
and it didn't bother the transmission one bit.  All you have to do
is stop every now and then to relax, stretch, and let the transmission
cool off a bit.  The Aux cooler is more for heavy duty, near capacity
towing.  700lbs even with the trailer is light towing.

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L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 28 May 2006 01:12 GMT
    But that's not 130 degree Death Valley.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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> "probably not"  I've towed a trailer from Calagary Alberta to Oklahoma
> and it didn't bother the transmission one bit.  All you have to do
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> DougW
billy ray - 28 May 2006 05:48 GMT
It probably isn't 'required' for only 700 pounds but would be a very good
idea...

It doesn't take much extra heat to cook transmission fluid.

> Hi,
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> I have more question but that's it for now
Lon - 28 May 2006 18:20 GMT
The OP doesn't mention the route they will be taking...   It is narrowly
possible that by heading from the upper peninsula west thru Montana
clear to the west coast and then heading down the coast to no further
than say, San Francisco bay area, triple digit heats in September can be
avoided.    All other routes I can think of involve driving for at least
a full day or more across high western desert areas where 100 degrees is
a cool day in September.   Worse, unless they stay off the major
highways, the speeds are in the 75 plus range.  Dunno if a cooler
install would be more or less than a full fluid flush and gasket set
after the journey but if it were a vehicle to be kept long, I'd sure do
one of the two.

billy ray proclaimed:
> It probably isn't 'required' for only 700 pounds but would be a very good
> idea...
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>>I have more question but that's it for now
Mike Romain - 28 May 2006 19:01 GMT
I would put one in.  

I think they are a good idea on Jeeps or any 4x4 that could see extended
driving in say 4x4 low.  Even our manual 5 speeds need to be stopped so
they can cool down on some hot days on the bush roads.  Our Cherokee
really needs a second fan in the circuit for those days.  It has never
boiled over, but the warning light has come on.  Our 'new' 87 one has
the second fan and no working AC, so I am going to toggle switch the fan
and forget the AC...  

Mike
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88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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> Hi,
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> I have more question but that's it for now
sam owens - 29 May 2006 02:33 GMT
Well I am going to do the install or rather get someone to do it for
me. My friend tells me it's a good idea to have accesory cooling as a
matter of fact and they aren't that expensive.

I am planning on going to Colo, Utah, NM and Arizona so it's gonna be
warm.

Any Brands you recommend?

Sam

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Jerry Bransford - 29 May 2006 07:11 GMT
Sam, the Cherokee has an external tranny cooler and you won't need
another to tow your motorcycle.  It's rated to tow 5000 lbs, no worries.
I used to tow my 3500 boat up and down the mountains of the SW US with
my '89 Cherokee with the 4.0L and the same AW-4 tranny you have in yours.

Jerry

> Well I am going to do the install or rather get someone to do it for
> me. My friend tells me it's a good idea to have accesory cooling as a
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Jo Bo - 30 May 2006 13:47 GMT
Jerry.

Unless someone put one on or it came with the trailer towing package it does
not have a external tranny cooler, just the one in the radiator. The 5000#
requires the external cooler. As others have stated, definitely worth while.

JoBo

> Sam, the Cherokee has an external tranny cooler and you won't need another
> to tow your motorcycle.  It's rated to tow 5000 lbs, no worries. I used to
> tow my 3500 boat up and down the mountains of the SW US with my '89
> Cherokee with the 4.0L and the same AW-4 tranny you have in yours.
>
> Jerry
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Earle Horton - 30 May 2006 15:19 GMT
I towed a bunch of cars from Washington State to Colorado, using a 1997
Dodge Ram Van, forgetting to install an auxiliary transmission cooler.
Never had a transmission related problem.  The Cherokee does have cooling
problems in general, because of the way AMC shoehorned the 4.0 liter engine
in.  It may need the auxiliary cooler, maybe not.  That's my $0.02.

Earle

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DougW - 30 May 2006 15:39 GMT
Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> I towed a bunch of cars from Washington State to Colorado, using a 1997
> Dodge Ram Van, forgetting to install an auxiliary transmission cooler.
> Never had a transmission related problem.  The Cherokee does have cooling
> problems in general, because of the way AMC shoehorned the 4.0 liter engine
> in.  It may need the auxiliary cooler, maybe not.  That's my $0.02.

Look down the radiator and see if there are a couple of extra pipes.
At least on the ZJ, these are on the driver side and are part of an
in-radiator transmission cooler.  The aux cooler splices into these
lines.

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L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 31 May 2006 00:30 GMT
Hi Earle,
    Remember the air cooler is as much for the engine as the trans.
Going back to the cars of the sixties they were right on the ragged edge
of engine over heat anyway, and additional hot transmission oil was the
last straw. The element went in before the radiator, to make sure the
transmission's oil was always at operating temperature.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> I towed a bunch of cars from Washington State to Colorado, using a 1997
> Dodge Ram Van, forgetting to install an auxiliary transmission cooler.
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> Earle
billy ray - 30 May 2006 18:03 GMT
This doesn't apply to this case but I found it interesting and somewhat hard
to believe.

Excerpt from '02 WJ FSM  Section 7 Page 55:

TRANS COOLER

DESCRIPTION

An internal high capacity/high efficiency cooler is

used on all vehicles these coolers are an oil-to-coolant

type which consists of plates mounted in the radiator

outlet tank (Fig. 36). Because the internal oil cooler

is so efficient, no auxiliary oil cooler is offered The

cooler is not serviceable separately from the radiator.

> Jerry.
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>> Jerry
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