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L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 20 Oct 2006 14:58 GMT I Believe it's time to start a class action against these anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors had. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
http://www.seguingazette.com/story.lasso?ewcd=d5111fc9c3ee21ec CNN shooting to a new low
By Chris Lykins The Gazette-Enterprise
Published October 20, 2006
The shot rings out from a terrorist rifle and before the bullet finds its mark in the back of a United States serviceman, the screen fades to black.
This CNN says is the unvarnished truth of the war in Iraq that the American people must face.
Like a parent to a child, the network knows what is good for us even if we dont.
They American people must also apparently face this unvarnished truth just a few weeks from the Congressional mid-term elections in what might be the most blatant political gift to the Democrats since Dan Rathers career went down in a blizard of forged Bush military documents.
CNN aired video of sniper attacks on U.S. military personnel provided helpfully by the insurgents notice we cant call them terrorists or murderers.
CNN says it aired the video because it concluded the tape meets our criteria for newsworthiness.
Thats a statement that raises serious questions about how exactly the network goes about making such a determination and getting it so painfully wrong.
Apparently, the decision came after it was the subject of hours of intense editorial debate, which I think the American people would love to hear you know, as long as we are getting the unvarnished truth.
Can we hear this intense editorial debate, or is that a little too unvarnished for the network to handle?
What did this sniper video provide for Americans beyond a reminder that CNNs journalistic ethics always take a backseat to its agenda?
CNN says Americans need to know what is going on in Iraq as if its ceaseless defeatist drum beat wasnt enough?
We know that our men and women in uniform are dying in the streets of Baghdad.
We know those numbers are real people, with real faces, families, hopes and dreams that ended in the explosion of an IED or as the network reminded us at the end of a snipers bullet.
Unlike some, we dont view them as flickering numbers on some political tote board.
We know that flag-draped coffins are returning home and that families are gathering to say goodbye.
For those families who get treated to the final moments of their loved ones before their violent end in the networks pursuit of truth, it is especially cruel.
We already know the truth and the network knows that what CNN wants to do is pour salt in the wound.
Hiding behind journalistic principles long-since abandoned, the network has sunk to a new low by essentially becoming the propaganda and public relations arm of a group of thugs and murderers.
Even those opposed to the war in Iraq and to act as if that number isnt large and growing would be absurd can recognize this for what it is.
Part of it is a grab for ratings in an era in which Fox News dominates on a nightly basis. CNN, the tottering monarch of days gone by, is making another feeble grasp for a crown that slipped from its grip so long ago for many viewers because of manuevers exactly like this one.
I dont trust CNN anymore havent since I learned that the network essentially sat on stories about just how bad things were in Iraq when Saddam Hussein was running it in order to maintain access in the country.
Back then we didnt need to know how bad things were going in Iraq, and CNN said it sat on those stories to protect the lives of people.
Yet, here, just a few years later, CNN says we desparately need to know how bad things are in Iraq and the network cant wait to show us the end of another series of lives.
CNN hasnt only lost its way its a network thats lost its soul.
Chris Lykins is the managing editor for the Gazette-Enterprise
Earle Horton - 20 Oct 2006 16:04 GMT Bill,
I don't follow this argument at all. There is nothing "unethical" about showing people being killed, which is apparently happening every day. That is like saying that showing auto accidents, murder victims and fire gutted buildings in the U.S. is a blatant attempt to get more tax money for police, fire and EMS departments. I don't see this article as anything but an unvarnished attempt to show the American People how stupid the Republicans and their supporters can be. I don't believe that all Republicans are stupid, but this Lykins fellow does a good job of convincing me that at least one is.
It's time to bring the boys and girls home, and leave the Iraqis to their own devices, which is what they plainly want, to have a killing spree that will last decades. Then the soldiers can begin the long and difficult process of fitting back into American society.
Earle
> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these > anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > > Chris Lykins is the managing editor for the Gazette-Enterprise
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L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 20 Oct 2006 16:13 GMT The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder! I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans won't cut and run. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Earle billy ray - 20 Oct 2006 19:06 GMT Bill and Earle....
Does the fact CNN paid the terrorists to perform this premeditated murder of an American, and/or the reporter's failure to take any step to prevent the murder any kind of proof they are accessories to the murder?
> The CNN reporter is an accessory to murder! > I think with the election this November 7th, you'll find Americans [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Earle Matt Macchiarolo - 20 Oct 2006 22:15 GMT Proof?
> Bill and Earle.... > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>> >>> Earle billy ray - 21 Oct 2006 03:16 GMT The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of terrorists set up within inches of the camera lens and failed to notice him standing there physically attacking the shooter while screaming for the soldiers to take cover.
Which scenario do you think likely from Ted's Commie Network News.
FWIW: I never met Ted but his mother always treated those of us at the store very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from her...
> Proof? > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>> >>>> Earle Thomas Waldron - 22 Oct 2006 21:00 GMT > The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been standing > there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when a group of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > very well.... I've never been able to understand how he could have come from > her... ...or not...
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/10/why-we-aired-sn iper-video.html
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billy ray - 22 Oct 2006 21:43 GMT Let's take a quote from the story you reference where they admit that they have been communicating, supposedly through intermediaries, with the terrorist leader himself.
" Michael had been communicating with Ibrahim Al-Shimary, a shadowy leader and spokesman for the Islamic Army."
Now I don't know the country of Baghdad correspondent Michael Ware's birth but he is surely an enemy of all that is good and that is how and why he serves his Politburo masters at Ted's Commie News Network.
Had he been a defender of freedom and liberty, or at least what would be considered a decent human being, he would have immediately contacted the authorities associated with the non-terrorists and cooperated in the capture of the terrorist leader.
The action he took, however, was to further the agenda of the terrorists at the specific direction of his masters.
That is IF we believe this story..... in either case the authorities or family of Michael Ware's victim should pursue Mr. Ware and see he receives all the justice he deserves.
To quote John Wayne (in reply to David Janssen who is playing a member of the media: "There is such a thing as due process. Out here, due process is a bullet."
>> The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been >> standing there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/10/why-we-aired-sn iper-video.html Matt Macchiarolo - 23 Oct 2006 00:15 GMT Ware sounds like he's Australian. I'm sure you have proof that Ware knows the whereabouts of Ibrahim Al-Shimary. If you don't I am sure you assume that.
And you should love this, he used to be Time Magazine's Baghdad bureau chief. More reason for you to slam him.
> Let's take a quote from the story you reference where they admit that they > have been communicating, supposedly through intermediaries, with the [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/10/why-we-aired-sn iper-video.html billy ray - 23 Oct 2006 00:53 GMT Time magazine? Nuff Said.....
I lost my respect for Australians when the voted to only allow criminals to have weapons.
The government over there doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that the violent crime robbery rate almost doubled in the few years since the ban.
That little southern town..... can't recall the name at the moment, that voted to REQUIRE every household to have a weapon and to provide a weapon, if the family hadn't the means, had the right idea.
> Ware sounds like he's Australian. I'm sure you have proof that Ware knows > the whereabouts of Ibrahim Al-Shimary. If you don't I am sure you assume [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >>> >>> http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/10/why-we-aired-sn iper-video.html Matt Macchiarolo - 23 Oct 2006 01:06 GMT > That little southern town..... can't recall the name at the moment, that > voted to REQUIRE every household to have a weapon and to provide a weapon, > if the family hadn't the means, had the right idea. There was a little town in Montana or Idaho doing that recently as well. Not going as far as requiring, but providing town-sponsored weapons certification.
Besides, how could you "require" a household to own a weapon? "Buy a gun, or we put you in jail??"
Turns out the guy on the town council sponsoring the program was the only certified weapons trainer in the area. Hmm.
billy ray - 23 Oct 2006 01:15 GMT The major media reporters were unable to find anyone in town that didn't have a weapon as I recall.
Are you implying that a liberal would a constitutionally protected law that was passed in a public referendum?
You are the only one that thinks I get all my news from Fox...
>> That little southern town..... can't recall the name at the moment, that >> voted to REQUIRE every household to have a weapon and to provide a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Turns out the guy on the town council sponsoring the program was the only > certified weapons trainer in the area. Hmm. Matt Macchiarolo - 23 Oct 2006 01:33 GMT You're typing too fast again, Billy....
> The major media reporters were unable to find anyone in town that didn't > have a weapon as I recall. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Turns out the guy on the town council sponsoring the program was the only >> certified weapons trainer in the area. Hmm. Matt Macchiarolo - 23 Oct 2006 00:13 GMT It's obvious you've already made your mind up. When you don't like the message, hang the messenger.
How often do you actually watch CNN?? Or do you only know their reports from what you hear Limbag, Sean Insannity and Faux News say about them?
> The only other plausible explanation is that the reporter had been > standing there filming segment on..... say the traffic situation... when [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Earle billy ray - 23 Oct 2006 00:43 GMT Well Matt, after reading about it on this very forum and most likely this same thread I made it a point to see the ABC (Almost as Bad as the Commie) news.
I haven't watched much of CNN since Gulf War 1's attack on Baghdad and just a bit on the regular news when Comrade Geraldo Rivera got caught relaying strategic information to the enemy via a live news broadcast in 2003.
I understand why Comrade Rivera did it, he was sucking up to the powers at ABC who fired him a few years before when he attempted, for the first time in his career, to tell the truth. Whether the firing was about the telling the truth or because that the truth was about another Demoncratic sex scandal I don't know
I've never understood why he was not executed on the spot as a the spy he was.
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> It's obvious you've already made your mind up. When you don't like the > message, hang the messenger. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Earle Matt Macchiarolo - 23 Oct 2006 01:00 GMT > I haven't watched much of CNN since Gulf War 1's attack on Baghdad and > just a bit on the regular news when Comrade Geraldo Rivera got caught > relaying strategic information to the enemy via a live news broadcast in > 2003. At which time he was (and still is) employed by Fox News.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldo_Rivera Following the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, he accepted a pay cut and went to work for the Fox News Channel as a war correspondent starting in November 2001. His brother Craig accompanied him as a cameraman on assignments in Afghanistan.
During the U.S. war in Afghanistan in 2001, Rivera was derided for a report in which he claimed to be at the scene of a friendly fire incident; it was later revealed that he was actually 300 miles away. Rivera faulted a minor misunderstanding for the discrepancy.
Another controversy arose in early 2003, while Rivera was embedded with U.S. military personnel in Iraq. During a Fox News broadcast, Rivera began to disclose an upcoming operation, even going so far as to draw a map in the sand for his audience. The military immediately issued a firm denouncement of his actions, saying it put the operation at risk, and nearly expelled Rivera from Iraq. Two days later, he announced that henceforth and voluntarily he would be reporting on the Iraq conflict from Kuwait.
billy ray - 23 Oct 2006 01:09 GMT Using your own reference it appears Fox News fired his commie a$$ over a year ago.
I'm not sure why you think I watch the Fox News Channel.
>> I haven't watched much of CNN since Gulf War 1's attack on Baghdad and >> just a bit on the regular news when Comrade Geraldo Rivera got caught [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > henceforth and voluntarily he would be reporting on the Iraq conflict from > Kuwait. Matt Macchiarolo - 23 Oct 2006 01:25 GMT Nope, not till 2005, at least. He's still got his own show carried mainly on Fox affiliates.
Rivera's last regular series on Fox News Channel was At Large with Geraldo Rivera,, shown on Saturday and Sunday nights. He ended the program on October 9, 2005 in order to begin a new weekday syndicated show, Geraldo at Large. The new series features many Fox News Channel correspondents, including Laurie Dhue and Phil Keating, and Rivera frequently appears on Fox News to promote his latest stories.
> Using your own reference it appears Fox News fired his commie a$$ over a > year ago. > > I'm not sure why you think I watch the Fox News Channel. I'd be interested to know where you get your news. You sound like someone who does watch FNC.
Dave Milne - 20 Oct 2006 22:47 GMT I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the news stations are more than happy to provide the real life docu-drama. The sooner we realise that war is a serious business which does not need to be broadcast for our entertainment or education, the better. This will make life easier for the soldiers who have a bad enough job to do without the intense media scrutiny.
Dave Milne, Scotland
> Bill and Earle.... > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >> > >> Earle billy ray - 21 Oct 2006 03:22 GMT The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running away when they were asked for their service so that they haven't witnessed, haven't any concept of the incredible cruelty inflicted on both sides by both sides.
A politician will say that the military is an instrument of foreign policy, a soldier will say his job is to break things and kill people and the one that does it best wins.......
Thing is...... sometimes it is hard to tell who is best....
>I blame modern society. There are plenty of no-hopers who are having a > really good time watching our boys giving it to the towel heads, and the [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >> >> >> Earle Earle Horton - 21 Oct 2006 16:19 GMT I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break things and kill people without paying for it later.
Earle
> The problem is too many of the people in charge or those criticizing the > running of the war managed to find ways by lying, cheating, or running away [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >> >> > >> >> Earle
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billy ray - 21 Oct 2006 18:01 GMT Exactly.... but then the numbers aren't what you have been led to believe.
Thursday night while I was switching through the channels I paused for a moment on Katie Couric as she was saying that after the commercial the story would be about mentally ill soldiers being redeployed to combat.
As this was of interest to me I waited for the report. Katie claimed that 15% of soldiers had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and they were routinely being redeployed.
Their expert claimed that returning a soldier to active duty was improper treatment..... needless to say they neglected to offer what their expert's qualifications were. His proscribed treatment was apparently hand holding and collecting a government check.
They managed to find 3 soldiers diagnoses with PTSD that were reassigned to their former units on active duty.
One soldier was never interviewed but his father showed Katie letters he had written from the front detailing his fears. The father admitted that the son never requested other non combat duty or a medical release from the service or made any other complaint. His son was complying and participating in the Army's treatment program.
The second soldier made it clear that this was an unjust war against a sovereign country and his problems were all cause by persons in authority and he was a powerless dupe of the military-industrial complex. I had some reason to question his actual situation and motives that were. of course, caused by class prejudice as he was covered with home made 'jail' tattoos and claiming all sorts of problems not being addressed by the VA.
The final soldier's family basically told Katie "piss-off commie, our son requested to returned to his unit - to active duty"
Now back to Katie's expert that no one has ever heard of before.... His contention was re-exposure to traumatic conditions is contra-indicated and endangered the other members of his squad implying, in his opinion, that these soldiers will refuse to act in emergency situations.
The currently accepted treatment for PTSD is: 1. Initial rest 2. Psychotherapy to remember, recognize, and accept what happened. 3. Anti-Depressant therapy as needed. 4. Re-exposure to the location the trauma occurred. Failure to re-expose someone to the location of trauma only serves to reinforces the trauma's ill effects. Along with the other steps it follows the old adage to 'Get back on that horse that threw you ASAP or you will live in fear the rest of your life."
Given the choice of a combat veteran with treated PTSD and a whiny, hand wringing, oh the humanity!, tree hugger who only joined to get money for school soldier I would take the combat veteran ANY time as he is more likely to shoot first and ask questions later when exposed to a situation where the difference between MY life and death is a fraction of a second.
As a final interesting not just the night before the CBS news broadcast a report on PTSD treatment that contradicted their expert the following night.
> I'm just tired of thinking about all the new homeless shelters and tetox > facilities we will have to build once it is all over. You don't break [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> Earle bizbee - 20 Oct 2006 23:20 GMT On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>, "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> graced the world with this thought:
> I Believe it's time to start a class action against these >anti-American Communist network on behalf of our American Soldiers, and >if was seated on it's jury I would award every last dollar the traitors >had. But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American sniper is ok...
billy ray - 21 Oct 2006 03:34 GMT I'd have no problem with showing a film of a terrorist attack being repulsed by American soldiers, but I would not sanction any film showing the deliberate murder of innocents or someone who came to help free you from a murderous tyrant.
I do think the news networks should be required to show, every 15 minutes around the clock, the murders by beheading, and other methods, of innocent international aid workers and relief personnel. (who may ride in Jeeps)
The American public needs to know that these terrorists do not fit the description of civilized human beings and need to be exterminated like rabid dogs. (or run over by Jeeps)
The major media outlets intentionally, in my opinion, act to support the terrorists and then cover up their atrocities...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:58:02 -0700 in <4538D5EA.A5496A6E@cox.net>, > "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> graced the world with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American > sniper is ok... L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 21 Oct 2006 10:57 GMT The Al-Qa'ida Jihad have sworn to kill all Americans, and we use cameras on our gun ships, so to see another enemy evaporated, some how relieves some of the vengeance I feel for what they have done to us: http://members.cox.net/billhughes/iraqTerrorist.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> > But I'm sure showing an Iraqi or whoever, being shot by an American > sniper is ok... L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 27 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT http://www.billhughes.com/temp/terroristSnipersShot.htm http://www.billhughes.com/temp/iraqTerrorist.htm
> The Al-Qa'ida Jihad have sworn to kill all Americans, and we use > cameras on our gun ships, so to see another enemy evaporated, some how > relieves some of the vengeance I feel for what they have done to us: > http://members.cox.net/billhughes/iraqTerrorist.htm > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ billy ray - 28 Oct 2006 00:41 GMT Bill, something is wrong with the links..
> http://www.billhughes.com/temp/terroristSnipersShot.htm > http://www.billhughes.com/temp/iraqTerrorist.htm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Earle Horton - 28 Oct 2006 00:57 GMT Works for me, and I have crap satellite Internet.
Earle
> Bill, something is wrong with the links.. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
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L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 28 Oct 2006 01:09 GMT I sure wish a 50 caliber were legal in Kalifornia. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Works for me, and I have crap satellite Internet. > > Earle mabar - 28 Oct 2006 01:47 GMT Bill:
Unfortunately (as I'm sure you know) you live in one of the most "gun unfriendly" states in the USA.
Tom
> I sure wish a 50 caliber were legal in Kalifornia. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ billy ray - 28 Oct 2006 05:02 GMT So in the Kingdom of Kalifornia only the kriminals and the kops have guns?
> Bill: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 28 Oct 2006 07:49 GMT That's up there is San Francisco, where I hope to remove Senator Feinstein this November seventh. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> So in the Kingdom of Kalifornia only the kriminals and the kops have guns? billy ray - 28 Oct 2006 09:13 GMT Senator has a gun, it was in the news a few years ago if I remember correctly...... newsman turned it up right after she gave an 'all guns are evil' speech..
> That's up there is San Francisco, where I hope to remove Senator > Feinstein this November seventh. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> So in the Kingdom of Kalifornia only the kriminals and the kops have >> guns? L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 28 Oct 2006 09:14 GMT Yup! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Senator has a gun, it was in the news a few years ago if I remember > correctly...... newsman turned it up right after she gave an 'all guns are > evil' speech.. billy ray - 28 Oct 2006 15:43 GMT Was she the one who turned in a gun for destruction and then it turned out the weapon turned in wasn't the one registered to her?
> Yup! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> are >> evil' speech.. L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 28 Oct 2006 18:06 GMT I remember an incident like that, but not by whom. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Was she the one who turned in a gun for destruction and then it turned out > the weapon turned in wasn't the one registered to her? billy ray - 28 Oct 2006 05:01 GMT Bill you see the American Legion magazine article about illegal immigration INTO Mexico and the Mexican response?
> I sure wish a 50 caliber were legal in Kalifornia. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Earle billy ray - 28 Oct 2006 04:59 GMT Works now....
> Works for me, and I have crap satellite Internet. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ L.W.(Bill) Hughes III - 28 Oct 2006 01:07 GMT Hi Bill, Maybe right click and save target to run off your drive: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/terroristSnipersShot.wmv http://www.billhughes.com/temp/iraqiTerroristTakeout.wmv God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Bill, something is wrong with the links..
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