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Car Forum / Jeep / February 2007Wheel spacers
Just installed a 4" BDS suspension lift on a 94 YJ 6cyl. The 33" tires are rubbing the leaf springs with rims from an '06 Wrangler. Booger. I'm looking at wheel spacers on the net and on ebay. The ones I'm finding on ebay are billet aluminum for about $50 less than the titanium alloy offered from offroad web sites. These web sites claim the aluminum spacers are vulnerable to losing studs and other failures. Any inputs from all the experts out there?? Marty Hi Marty, They are illegal to use on the drag strip. Buy a set of rims with less back spacing, usually about three inches, instead of your ridiculous five and a half. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||| mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Just installed a 4" BDS suspension lift on a 94 YJ 6cyl. The 33" > tires are rubbing the leaf springs with rims from an '06 Wrangler. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > failures. Any inputs from all the experts out there?? > Marty On Feb 2, 6:34 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhug...@cox.net> wrote: > Hi Marty, > They are illegal to use on the drag strip. Buy a set of rims with less [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey Bill, The spacers would be for my 94 Jeep Wrangler. I don't plan on racing it. In a turn, the front tires rub the leaf springs and I'm wondering which wheel spacers would give me the desired durability and clearance. Marty > The spacers would be for my 94 Jeep Wrangler. I don't plan on > racing it. In a turn, the front tires rub the leaf springs and I'm > wondering which wheel spacers would give me the desired durability and > clearance. Your still better off using wheels with the proper backspacing, but if you decide to go with spacers stay away from the aluminum ones as they are weaker and with your larger tires the lugs do experience a lot of force. If your rubbing at full turn then all that needs to be done is to increase the stop with a washer or two.  SignatureDougW http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n171/Billy_Ray_2006/Steering%20Stops/ >> The spacers would be for my 94 Jeep Wrangler. I don't plan on >> racing it. In a turn, the front tires rub the leaf springs and I'm [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If your rubbing at full turn then all that needs to be done is to increase > the stop with a washer or two. How many products do you have on your car that the seller of that product may not be held responsible if your wheel falls off? http://www.willysoffroadsupply.com/4x100-4x10015/Wheel_Spacers_Adapters_All_Vehi cles_4_on_100mm_to_4_on_100mm_Wheel_Spacer_15_in_Width.html?sid=1ab3bdcf813e2567 e2754822496ae57e God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Hey Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Marty On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human > How many products do you have on your car that the seller of that > product may not be held responsible if your wheel falls off? Just a standard mis-use and idiot disclaimer: "We use 2 different suppliers for our wheel spacers and adapters. The ones from OKOffroad are meant for off-road purposes. They can be driven on the street, but that is not their primary purpose. The others are from A-Dapt-It USA and are primarily made for street use. All wheel spacers and adapters will move the wheel out and thus apply extra strain on the hub and axle. This should normally not cause a problem but can if the spacers/adapters are not installed and maintained correctly. This means torquing them down correctly with a torque wrench! Installing them by hand or with an impact wrench will cause problems and can cause the wheel to come off or the hub/axle to break. Extreme heavy driving may also cause such problems. That would include extreme off-road driving and a lot of on-road driving with out maintaining them. We can not be responsible for any damage that is caused in such a manner as it is totally out of our control and voids the manufacturers warranties." > http://www.willysoffroadsupply.com/4x100-4x10015/Wheel_Spacers_Adapters_All_Vehi cles_4_on_100mm_to_4_on_100mm_Wheel_Spacer_15_in_Width.html?sid=1ab3bdcf813e2567 e2754822496ae57e > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Marty SignatureWe Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language Knowing your drive an Intrepid, I would presume disclaimers would be a part of your life, with low quality products. But not for me, my Thunderbird passes the NHRA tech.: http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Just a standard mis-use and idiot disclaimer: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > responsible for any damage that is caused in such a manner as it is > totally out of our control and voids the manufacturers warranties." > Knowing your drive an Intrepid, I would presume disclaimers would be a > part of your life, with low quality products. But not for me, my Thunderbird > passes the NHRA tech.: http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm Sorry you missed the point. SignatureWe Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language I drive a Dodge Stratus!! >> Knowing your drive an Intrepid, I would presume disclaimers would be a >> part of your life, with low quality products. But not for me, my Thunderbird >> passes the NHRA tech.: http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm > > Sorry you missed the point. Sorry. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I drive a Dodge Stratus!! On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human > I drive a Dodge Stratus!! Ah, a discerning gentleman, to be sure !! Mopar to ya! (My Intrepid is a Chrysler, tho', badge-engineered for everywhere outside the US) SignatureWe Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language There is nothing on my Thunderbird that requires a disclaimer: http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm I repeat the wheel spacers are illegal for drag racing: http://www.billhughes.com/axleStud.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Sorry you missed the point. > > -- Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? > There is nothing on my Thunderbird that requires a disclaimer: > http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm I repeat the wheel spacers are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> -- > Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? :) Just a couple of times back when I was doing IASCA and got an offer to go over to the strip after the competition and see what the blower could do. Anyone can bracket race with a basic set of safety equipment and some $ for the entry fee. That's the beauty of it. Somewhere I have a timeslip. I'll have to find it and scan it. Hopefully it's not one of those thermal ones that fades out. :/ >> There is nothing on my Thunderbird that requires a disclaimer: >> http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm I repeat the wheel spacers are >> illegal for drag racing: http://www.billhughes.com/axleStud.jpg Signature-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! Here in southern Maryland, we have the Maryland International Raceway, better known as MIR or Budd's Creek. On Friday nights, I think, you can go and pay like five bucks to run the quarter mile. Man, do the rednecks around here love that place. I've never been, but it sure would be funny to take the 4-banger out there. By the way, Doug, how did the blower do? >> Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> http://www.billhughes.com/thunderb.htm I repeat the wheel spacers are >>> illegal for drag racing: http://www.billhughes.com/axleStud.jpg > Here in southern Maryland, we have the Maryland International Raceway, > better known as MIR or Budd's Creek. On Friday nights, I think, you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > By the way, Doug, how did the blower do? It worked well, probably could have ran a smaller pulley (more boost) and 101/105 octane and done better. Still trying to find that stupid slip with my times on it. Thought I posted it on my write-up... :[ This is irritating me, I wanted to keep that bit of history. The 1/4 mile trap estimate was 287HP, that I wrote down in an email. The only email I found says it was 14 and change seconds or so and close to 100MPH. Wish I would have written the exact values. Betting it was about 14.5s @ 98mph. Not bad given the vehicles weight 4052 + me + an extra hundred or so pounds in stereo gear. They told me it would have ran faster if I "took all that crap out" and only ran with 1/4 of a tank of fuel. Heck, guess I should take my stopwatch and go for a nice afternoon drive. :) Since then I've done more work to the ZJ. Headers, cat, little bit of porting on the intake rail, and some minor electrics. Need to get down there and do it again. The place around here was called Thunder Valley, down South of Norman Oklahoma. SignatureDougW http://www.billhughes.com/temp/CherokeeDrag.htm God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > :) Just a couple of times back when I was doing > IASCA and got an offer to go over to the strip after [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors > Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! Will the gentleman with the Hennessy SRT8 please stand up... Matt Macchiarolo proclaimed: > Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> >>>-- For safety reasons they now allow your TJs on a strip. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? Correction: For safety reasons they won't allow your TJs on a strip. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > For safety reasons they now allow your TJs on a strip. > > > Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? Didn't they (NHRA) outlaw SWB Jeeps back in the '60s? > Correction: > For safety reasons they won't allow your TJs on a strip. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> > Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? Maybe with the rest of the Alters: http://billhughes.com/dragjeeps/ God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Didn't they (NHRA) outlaw SWB Jeeps back in the '60s? What Stock Automatic class would a 4 liter WJ run? > Maybe with the rest of the Alters: http://billhughes.com/dragjeeps/ > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > >> Didn't they (NHRA) outlaw SWB Jeeps back in the '60s? I'm pretty sure they don't have classes for 4wd. Chris > What Stock Automatic class would a 4 liter WJ run? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>> Didn't they (NHRA) outlaw SWB Jeeps back in the '60s? > I'm pretty sure they don't have classes for 4wd. > > Chris So, if you have a 4WD, you have no class??? tw Signature_____________________________________________________________________ 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase') A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. _____________________________________________________________________ I've been accused of that but then I've also seen videos of Grand Cherokees running at drag strips. The techs would have to class them somewhere...... even if it is just the Saturday morning practice runs. The 4.7 would run in a pretty slow class..... something like V/SA but the 4.0 is about 2 seconds slower. >> I'm pretty sure they don't have classes for 4wd. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > tw Yes, I have seen 4x4s running at the strip also, in bracket classes, but the NHRA does not have a stock eliminator class that includes any 4wd vehicles that I know of. Bracket racing is a whole different animal. Chris > I've been accused of that but then I've also seen videos of Grand Cherokees > running at drag strips. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> tw Hi Chris, There's nothing saying you may not run a four wheel drive, in a stock class that it's horse power to weight fits: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/stockClasses.pdf Just that having to accelerate all those extra gears makes it uncompetitive, compared to: http://www.nhra.com/stats/ss_record.html My B stock automatic that got me hooked on drag racing back in '59: http://www.billhughes.com/57Ford.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||| mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Yes, I have seen 4x4s running at the strip also, in bracket classes, but > the NHRA does not have a stock eliminator class that includes any 4wd > vehicles that I know of. Bracket racing is a whole different animal. > > Chris LOL God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > So, if you have a 4WD, you have no class??? > > tw Since Wranglers aren't allowed on a strip, it doens't really matter if wheel spacers on a Wrangler are illegal, does it? Tell you what, I'll race your Thunderbird with me in my TJ, but since we can't do it on a strip I will pick another course: http://www.wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/tj3.jpg > Correction: > For safety reasons they won't allow your TJs on a strip. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> > Show of hands, who here drag races their Jeep? How about a hill climb: http://www.billhughes.com/pismo.htm God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Since Wranglers aren't allowed on a strip, it doens't really matter if wheel > spacers on a Wrangler are illegal, does it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/tj3.jpg In your T Bird. > How about a hill climb: http://www.billhughes.com/pismo.htm > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> http://www.wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/tj3.jpg No, I don't feel like tubbing it for my paddles: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/larrySandTires.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > In your T Bird. I think Bill's original point was that using spacers weakens an already questionable drive system. Spacers are not designed for sudden torque loads as you would find in drag racing or off-road driving. They also negatively affect your steering geometry and add to your unsprung weight which has several consequences of its own. For slight rubbing issues the steering stops can be adjusted. If that is insufficient you should replace the wheel rims to move the tires outward. Moving the tires out by any means will also add stress to your wheel bearings requiring additional maintenance. As I no longer recall what type/year Jeep we are discussing this may be as simple as inexpensive wheel bearings or a whole new and expensive hub. > No, I don't feel like tubbing it for my paddles: > http://www.billhughes.com/temp/larrySandTires.jpg > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > >> In your T Bird. Oh, I know what his point was but I would think torque loads like you find on a strip are less of a problem on the OP's YJ than the extra lateral stesses of the larger tires in most off-road situations. Dragstrip requirements are just not relevent in that case. >I think Bill's original point was that using spacers weakens an already >questionable drive system. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >>> In your T Bird. Wheel spacers are illegal to use on the drag strip, that makes it relevent. Of course only the wise would take heed. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Oh, I know what his point was but I would think torque loads like you find > on a strip are less of a problem on the OP's YJ than the extra lateral > stesses of the larger tires in most off-road situations. Dragstrip > requirements are just not relevent in that case. Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing. > Wheel spacers are illegal to use on the drag strip, that makes it > relevent. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> stesses of the larger tires in most off-road situations. Dragstrip >> requirements are just not relevent in that case. Well, in your TJ, that's probably true, but in a Real Jeep I've put a heck of a lot more stress on it than ever on a drag strip. Once in an attempt for four gear at about eighty miles an hour, on a hill climb it got to bouncing and I'm told the last hop I was a full twenty feet off the ground when I stuck in the sand with both front and rear axles broke. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing. Must have been those damn leaf springs. on a hill climb it got to bouncing > and I'm told the last hop I was a full twenty feet off the ground when I > stuck in the sand with both front and rear axles broke. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > >> Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing. Nope it was Olympia, and someone telling me just to keep my foot in it and drive it out of my third gear wheelie: http://www.billhughes.com/olympia.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Must have been those damn leaf springs. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > >> Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing. > Don't recall the OP saying he planned on drag racing. Original: > Just installed a 4" BDS suspension lift on a 94 YJ 6cyl. The 33" > tires are rubbing the leaf springs with rims from an '06 Wrangler. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > failures. Any inputs from all the experts out there?? > Marty SignatureWe Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language |
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