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Car Forum / Jeep / February 2007Borla Headers for 98 TJ - Need advice
I'm thinking of replacing my stock-cracked-POS exhaust manifold with a set of Borla Headers (PN: 17127). From what I can gather from reading on the subject is that 17127 is a more-or-less drop-in replace for the exhaust manifold, and PN 17236 re-routes a bit and requires a bit more work. I have been searching the web for the best price on these and keep finding a low price on a bunch of websites that look identical such as (prices vary from $400 to $450) http://www.borladirect.com http://www.canadianautopart.com http://www.fasterthanthem.com My questions are: 1. Are these sites a scam? 2. Has anyone dealt with any of these sites successfully? 3. Where is the cheapest place to get Borla Headers from these days? Crutchfield and Quadratec are all in the $500+ range. I'd rather pay closer to $400, but don't want to get rooked. Any ideas? 4wd Hardware is $500+ as well... By the way, from 'cracked manifold' I'm guessing a 4.0L? What year? > I'm thinking of replacing my stock-cracked-POS exhaust manifold with a > set of Borla Headers (PN: 17127). From what I can gather from reading [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Any ideas? It's a 1998 4.0L Automatic ... Although I'm enjoying my Jeep sounding like a ski-doo, I think it's time to fix the problem. > 4wd Hardware is $500+ as well... > By the way, from 'cracked manifold' I'm guessing a 4.0L? What year? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - IIRC, the auto will need some sort of linkage adjustment. I dunno if 'I' would trust those other sites, but others may disagree with me. You may want to check out www.pirate4x4.com - go to the forums, either look through the 'bad seller' forum, or just ask there if anyone's dealt with these sites. A lot more people hang out there, and a lot more people willing to try anything to save a buck... > It's a 1998 4.0L Automatic ... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>> Any ideas?- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - Try www.offroadtoystore.com I have had good results from them. Carl > It's a 1998 4.0L Automatic ... > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - http://www.1aauto.com/1A/ExhaustManifolds/Jeep/Wrangler/1AEEM00146/400483/ God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I'm thinking of replacing my stock-cracked-POS exhaust manifold with a > set of Borla Headers (PN: 17127). From what I can gather from reading [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Any ideas? I love how they compare their 'high quality manifold' to those 'other' unnamed 'lower quality manifolds'. Way to be specific. Also, it's manufactured in China, but by an American company...so, as an American, am I allowed to buy it? :) > http://www.1aauto.com/1A/ExhaustManifolds/Jeep/Wrangler/1AEEM00146/400483/ > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Any ideas? Bummer, I didn't read the China part. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I love how they compare their 'high quality manifold' to those 'other' > unnamed 'lower quality manifolds'. > Way to be specific. > Also, it's manufactured in China, but by an American company...so, as an > American, am I allowed to buy it? :) Not to worry, "it was designed in the U.S. and the tooling is owned by a large U.S. manufacturer." That is some of the ugliest "stainless steel" that I have ever seen. They make a number of statements that are apparently supposed to imply better welds like "high temperature color patterns near welds" and "wide surface weld patterns used in joint areas for supurb strength" (note the innovative spelling). Maybe someone with more welding experience than I have would want to comment on the "strength through ugliness" principle that seems to be at work here. Earle > Bummer, I didn't read the China part. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Also, it's manufactured in China, but by an American company...so, as an > > American, am I allowed to buy it? :) I don't see a problem with repairing your existing manifold and saving a STACK of money! Bruce Basically you're just wasting your time, it'll just crack again next to the weld. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I don't see a problem with repairing your existing manifold and saving > a STACK of money! > > Bruce Thanks Bill, I have followed this link before from your 'links' page, however I'm leary on it for a few reasons: 1. I've seen that picture tacked onto multiple manifolds across the internet, and on ebay with varying prices. I'm guessing there are knockoffs of it. 2. I've heard from my local 4wd store that those manifolds are prone to having the expansion areas blown. Of course this is the same shop that offered to fix my old manifold. 3. I need to get it shipped to Canada, and that website apparently doesn't want to do that. Also if I find a website that does ship to Canada I can't be guaranteed that it's the same one since there is no manufacturer or standard part # associated with it. On Feb 5, 10:50 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhug...@cox.net> wrote: > http://www.1aauto.com/1A/ExhaustManifolds/Jeep/Wrangler/1AEEM00146/40... > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Feb 5, 10:50 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhug...@cox.net> wrote: > http://www.1aauto.com/1A/ExhaustManifolds/Jeep/Wrangler/1AEEM00146/40... > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes...@aol.comhttp://www.billhughes.com/ I purchased a manifold from them two years ago for my '98 TJ, and it is cracked already. I think I will go with one of the headers (borla or banks probably) this time as well so I am not redoing this again in two years. |
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