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Car Forum / Jeep / February 2007converting from private to commercial
Hi, I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of cash for road tax - around 1400 Euro. This would be cut dramatically if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... anyone know anything about this? Tks Nichollette -- It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. For shame. Any mechanic who is not an idiot can replace the rear windows with plywood panels of the proper thickness. For extra durability sheet steel can be glued or fastened to the outside of the panels. It can be done in such a way that it looks like a factory job. Plastic is another option, and takes paint well. Rear seat removal is easy. I can't overemphasize how easy it is. The people you have talked to just don't want the work. Earle > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nichollette > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual > commercial use, for which this exemption is intended. The rest of the > citizens in your community will be supporting your luxurious life style. > For shame. > Earle You're Joking right? > > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like > > this. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You're Joking right? If you have to ask, then the joke is on you. Earle The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. ...though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image in my head. http://www.texasescapes.com/Signs/FayetteCoBusinessSigns/LaGrangeCocaColaTruckNF eedStore1938.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > The dichotomy between "luxury" and tooling around with a 2-seater > Cherokee with tec-screwed plywood rear windows blew your cover. > ...though the Liberty/Cherokee factor really kills the hillbilly image > in my head.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. >> > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like >> > this. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Earle Somebody is making the windows, but whether in a factory or not is anybody's guess, as is how you get them. In the U.S. delivery vans, camper conversions etc. are made in smallish factories that no one really knows about unless you work there or are in the habit of buying this type of vehicle. Sometimes they advertise in speciality magazines. Next time you see one of the vehicles, ask the owner if you can take a look at the windows, to see what they are made out of. Glass can be painted, or it could be metal, plastic, plywood or any of a number of materials. If you elect to paint the glass, it has to be cleaned properly before hand, or the paint will fall off. Professional painters have access to materials that will do this properly. There is a house painter in my village (it really is a village) that is a wizard at painting anything. I think his secret is that he reads directions. If you find plywood or paneling that is the same thickness as the original glass, you just remove the glass, or have it removed by a mechanic, and install a piece of paneling cut to the proper size in its place, in the original rubber frame. Appearance depends on the material that you use, which is why I suggest sheet steel glued to the outside of the panel, before it is installed. That will take paint really well, and it is possible to get a "factory finish" if that is what you want. Earle > I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. > It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > Earle Nichollette, You should be able to get BLACK window tint. It is applied to the interior of the window and you cannot see through it. As far as screwing plywood or some other unsuitable material on it sounds pretty awful and would look like crap. Please, specify year and model of your Jeep or maybe post a link to a picture. There is some confusion about if it's what we call a Cherokee or a Liberty in the US and our northern neighbors in Canada. When you say that the windows have been "blanked out" do you mean that they are not transparent,, or do you mean that they have been removed completely and the holes filled with another panel? Another thing you might consider is going to a vinyl sign company and having them make full custom window decals for you that would go along with the commercial theme. They would not be transparent and you could put your business name on it. That might assure their acceptance of your commercial intent. Something along these lines: http://www.fleetsidegraphics.com/fleet-graphics/z_simple_window.php?12 Kate 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon I don't see the seats as a problem. They can be unscrewed, most likely. It's the windows bit that bothers me. They have to be blanked out - and surely there must be some sort of kit for this?? I see Jeeps all over Ireland with the windows blanked out. I've asked the owners, and they mainly say.. "bought it like that..." So - conversion kit, maybe? The model is a Cherokee limited, 1995, 4 litre. Tks again.. > <Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1172073307.630608.86180@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Earle > You should be able to get BLACK window tint. I had an old VW bus and painted the side windows from the inside with spray paint, it looked great. People would always aske me where they could get a tint job like that. LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces available. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > It is shocking that a citizen would try to cheat the tax system like this. > I am sure that you have no intention of putting your Cherokee to actual [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > Nichollette SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com She's being penalized for driving a "luxury" vehicle. Or a gas hog polluter. I saw like two pickups the whole time I was in Europe, but one time I saw a Ford Excursion. There are lots of options available for the windows, depending on locally available materials and skilled labor. I have seen aluminum plate that is about the same thickness as window glass. The black tint idea is a good one too, if the local inspectors will accept it. They may see the glass and say no. Earle > LOL Except commercial plates are a lot more expensive in Kalifornia, but > you can legally park in loading zones, which are many times the only spaces > available. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > > > Nichollette > I can't overemphasize how easy it is. I'll bet you could if you tried. SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty Can you please tell us what 'you' consider a 'Cherokee'? We have this Jeep called a Liberty in North America which is your Cherokee I think? Meanwhile if it is an XJ or 'Cherokee' like I know it, then the rear seat is a fold and tumble one that makes a flat cargo space for the entire back. I suppose if you wanted it permanent, all you would have to do is remove the bottom seat half that folds forward so the back can tumble forward to make the floor. As far as blanking out the rear windows, paint comes to mind or that stick on mylar sheeting stuff. If the glass must go, I would use some hardwood paneling cut to fit and painted to match the vehicle. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nichollette In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a Liberty over here -- which makes your position even worse). > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nichollette Nicholette has a '95 XJ. > In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Nichollette Both vehicles look much like the small commercial vehicles that I saw in Spain, that are a sort of mini-pickup with a bed topper that is actually a part of the body, or something like the old panel trucks that you used to see around here, only smaller. I would be surprised if Nichollette got her "commercial use" permit without having a bona fide commercial use for the vehicle, but I suppose it is worth a try. One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can afford a Jeep" factor, which is ruined when the windows are covered with sheet metal and the rear seats taken out. They are a lot more impressed with Jeeps than we are over here. Earle > In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > Nichollette Sorta like a Land Rover over here (if it didn't break down all the time). Carl > Both vehicles look much like the small commercial vehicles that I saw in > Spain, that are a sort of mini-pickup with a bed topper that is actually a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> > >> > Nichollette Here now.... *I* am impressed with Jeeps! ;¬Þ Kate Both vehicles look much like the small commercial vehicles that I saw in Spain, that are a sort of mini-pickup with a bed topper that is actually a part of the body, or something like the old panel trucks that you used to see around here, only smaller. I would be surprised if Nichollette got her "commercial use" permit without having a bona fide commercial use for the vehicle, but I suppose it is worth a try. One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can afford a Jeep" factor, which is ruined when the windows are covered with sheet metal and the rear seats taken out. They are a lot more impressed with Jeeps than we are over here. Earle > In California, we simply buy commercial plates from the DMV. > > Passenger cars generally do not qualify for commercial plates, but trucks > often get commercial plates from the get-go. I don't know how the motor > vehicle people would look at a Cherokee (I think your Cherokee is a Liberty > over here -- which makes your position even worse). > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > if I had it converted to "commercial use" . Which seems to involve > > replacing the two rear side windows with some sort of blanking panels, and > > removing the rear seats. Question is - there a kit for this? If now, how > > easy is it to do? I've asked my local garage, but they don't know... The > > local jeep dealer is a bit formal, and unlikely to be of any assistance... > > anyone know anything about this? > > > > Tks > > > > Nichollette Yeah but mom always said you were too easy... easy to please I mean..... > Here now.... > *I* am impressed with Jeeps! [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> > >> > Nichollette I don't need a bone fide commercial use for the vehicle. I just need to have the side rear windows permanently blanked, and the rear seats removed. I'm unconcerned with the "look at me" factor. I had a litre handmade sports car, and got rid of that because every time I returned to the car, there'd be a crowd round it. But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. When I moved to Ireland in 1998, I was the only one around with a Jeep - I mean a proper Jeep, and there were very few WAD vehicles. Now, with everyone having loads of cash, big vehicles are a status symbol. However, the Saab convertible is the one that turns heads here now..... :-) Nichollette > Both vehicles look much like the small commercial vehicles that I saw in > Spain, that are a sort of mini-pickup with a bed topper that is actually a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> > >> > Nichollette Well you have several suggestions for blanking the windows. Now all you need is a worker to separate you from your cash. Good luck. Earle > I don't need a bone fide commercial use for the vehicle. I just need to > have the side rear windows permanently blanked, and the rear seats removed. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >> > > >> > Nichollette The XJ was, I think, but a bit passé now. Which is great news as they are cheap ! Dave Milne, Scotland > But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. But you still get the prestige vehicle tax? Earle > The XJ was, I think, but a bit passé now. Which is great news as they are > cheap ! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a > > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. Prestige isn't really a factor. It's engine size. And whether it's commercial or private. It can be classed as commercial simply by blocking the windows (painting/tinting IS NO GOOD!!), and removing the rear seats. You can be un-employed, if you like, and still drive a "commercial" vehicle. Nich > But you still get the prestige vehicle tax? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > a >> > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. You may be dealing with local interpretation of the law here. I wouldn't claim to know anything about Ireland law. What you have stated is very much different from what we have here. A Greyhound bus, for example, can be re-registered as a private motor home with no mechanical changes. What counts is the combination of commercial intent and money-making (or money-losing) activity. "Limited" is a trim package. XJ is the basic model type. If you can find your VIN plate, it will have "XJ" or "ZJ" on it somewhere. Earle > Prestige isn't really a factor. It's engine size. And whether it's > commercial or private. It can be classed as commercial simply by blocking [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >> > a > >> > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. Not really. We pay around $400 for road tax. > But you still get the prestige vehicle tax? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a > > > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. Ya know..... when the English tried taxing in what we considered an unfair manner we threw the buggers out. > Not really. We pay around $400 for road tax. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a >> > > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. Yeah but the Scots are even more socialist, so I'm praying they stay in ! Dave > Ya know..... when the English tried taxing in what we considered an unfair > manner we threw the buggers out. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > a > >> > > prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. It's not an XJ.. it's a Limited...Jeep Cherokee... Nich > The XJ was, I think, but a bit passé now. Which is great news as they are > cheap ! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a >> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. Then we have no clue what you are driving.... Over here in North America, the mid 90's 'Cherokee' is also called an XJ or mid sized Cherokee to differentiate between the old Cherokee which was a full sized tank. 'Limited' is a trim package... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > It's not an XJ.. it's a Limited...Jeep Cherokee... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a >>> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. XJ is what Jeep called the Jeep Cherokee you have. The new Jeep Cherokee which is called the Liberty in the US, is the KJ. My '99 Wrangler is the TJ, the one before was the YJ. And so on and so forth. Dave > It's not an XJ.. it's a Limited...Jeep Cherokee... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> But you are correct about the Jeep - it IS seen in the UK as a bit of a > >> prestige vehicle, no matter that mine is an 95 model now. more like "Look at me, I couldn't afford a Range Rover". All a bit Porsche Boxter-like - you know you really wanted the Carrerra but couldn't do it. Dave One of reasons to buy a Jeep in Europe is the "look at me, I can > afford a Jeep" factor, 1400E works out to about $1840US. Ouch. Are there other taxes assocated with motor vehicles in Ireland as well, or is that pretty much the whole tax bite? In the US there are local property taxes levied as well as taxes on motor fuels, but I don't think that I pay as much in combined taxes on my `96 Cherokee, even at 20K miles a year. Does this apply to you? http://www.buncrana.ie/Article_Listings.aspx?tscategory_id=26&category_name=Moto r+Tax+Online Keyword search: Circular MT 10/2005 * All seats and seat belts to the rear of the driver must be removed and the bolt holes welded over. This would mean you'll likely want to fabricate a platform to fill in the space over the rear seat footwells. * It is not necessary to insist that vehicle owners blacken out windows or to remove windows & replace with other materials. In the US "black out windows" can be accomplished with paint. If you need to remove the glass and replace it with metal an autobody shop should be able to do do that, but I'd guess that the cost is going to be roughly what you're paying in road use tax now. I looked for what USAns would call a "panel truck conversion" kit for a Cherokee but found nothing. Oddly enough, what you want to do is the reverse of what some truck owners in the US do. They install windows in the sides of their panel trucks to allow them to drive on certain roads with commercial vehicle restrictions. > Hi, > I'm in Ireland, with my Cherokee Jeep.. and have to pay an enormous slug of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nichollette -- "We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey, that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated." Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast. Fuel is about twice the price you pay, I reckon. Then there's import duty on the car in the first place, whether it's used or new. Insurance is also high. Nothing's cheap in Ireland. But I like the people!! Nich > 1400E works out to about $1840US. Ouch. Are there other taxes assocated > with motor vehicles in Ireland as well, or is that pretty much the whole [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated." > Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast. |
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