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Car Forum / Jeep / February 2007Is it worth it?
I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as well as two spots behind the front seats. How do I decide whether the vehicle is worth repairing. It looks as though the whole underside is fairly corroded. The engine is fairly new(2.5L)less than 25,000 mi on a new long block. The body is in great shape. How long will this thing last if I replace the floor pans? It runs great, has a three inch lift, and near new 30x9.5 bfg all terrains on it. Is it worth it? What axles does this thing have under it? Thanks, Greg > I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the > interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Greg Greg, Since your Jeep has a frame (i.e. it's not a unibody), you should be able to take it to a welding shop and have them weld on new floor pans for well under $200. Michael On Feb 26, 8:53 pm, michael.wh...@charter.net wrote: > > I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the > > interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Michael Thanks Mike, I am going to look into it. Greg How is an XJ not a unibody? This is an '86, thus not the full-sized Cherokee, but the XJ Cherokee, which was a unibody construction for it's entire production. The FS Cherokee ended production in '83, the shorter XJ began production in '84. >> I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the >> interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Michael If its an 86 Cherokee with the 2.5L it does not have a frame, it is a unibody. Carl >> I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the >> interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Michael >> I just bought an 86 Cherokee. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Michael '86 Cherokee with a 2.5L engine should be an XJ, in which case it kinda is unibody, they called it "uniframe." The frame members are part of the body. His rusty spots are pretty typical. > <michael.wh...@charter.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > unibody, they called it "uniframe." The frame members are part of the body. > His rusty spots are pretty typical. Yes, Its not a frame like my YJ, its a u shaped thing with the body attached to it. The whole underside is pretty much shot. Take what parts I can and scrap the rest? It has a 2.5" old man emu lift. The body is in real good shape, but the inderside is shot. What to do? Greg Sell me the lift :-D Carl >> <michael.wh...@charter.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Greg > Sell me the lift :-D > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think I am going to take the wheels and get rid of the rest. Does it sound like its worth repairing? I can send pics. Greg Find yourself a newer XJ with the 4.0L HO. In the long run you'll be happier with the engine and you'll need to fix a lot fewer things to get it on the road. >> Sell me the lift :-D >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Greg > Find yourself a newer XJ with the 4.0L HO. In the long run you'll be > happier with the engine and you'll need to fix a lot fewer things to get [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What do ya suppose I could get for the engine. 2.5l. It has fewer than 25k on a new long block. $250.00? Greg I would hope you could get more than that - I paid $600 for a junkyard 2.5L for my '93 Wrangler. But, then again, the 2.5 for the '86 was TBI, not MPI, so I don't really know. For comparison, JC Whitney sells the MPI 2.5L new for $2500. Apples to oranges, really, though. Do you have any info on how much the motor was new? >> Find yourself a newer XJ with the 4.0L HO. In the long run you'll be >> happier with the engine and you'll need to fix a lot fewer things to get [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Greg > I would hope you could get more than that - I paid $600 for a junkyard > 2.5L for my '93 Wrangler. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No I bought the whole vehicle. Engine already installed. No info regarding that. I did not realize that the underside was shot. It has a new set of BFG 30x9.5 all terrains that I am going to take. Also got a full set of factory manuals with it. I think I'm going to part it out. Axles are good, trans is good, xfer case is good. Hopefully I can recoup some of the 900.00 I paid for it!! It is too bad cause the body is in great shape. It looks really nice. Thanks, Greg I'm going to venture a guess that a lot of the $900 price tag was this guy trying to pass along the cost of the recently replaced engine. FWIW, I bought my '92 XJ for $500, but the guy (a professional used-car flipper) said he would have been able to sell it for $2500 had he taken the time to fix a few small issues, like the steering column and PS pump. That's not exactly typical, but it's a good example of how little things can greatly increase a used-car's value. All that said, if you part it out, motor to axles, you'll probably end up making money in the deal. You'll be out some time, but chalk it up as a learning experience. To answer the original question, I'd think $400-500 would be a reasonable price for the motor. >> I would hope you could get more than that - I paid $600 for a junkyard >> 2.5L for my '93 Wrangler. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Greg > No I bought the whole vehicle. Engine already installed. No info > regarding that. I did not realize that the underside was shot. It has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Greg What I'd look at is the average retail cost of an XJ like you have that does NOT have a rotted floor. If it's considerably more just weld in the new floor and either drive it like you intended or sell it and make some money. I bought a '94 with a "cracked head" that turned out to be a leaky water pump for $450. The floor was gone from firewall to back bumper but I bought a 4x8 sheet of 16 gauge, cut it all out with a hand grinder and welded it in my self-cut floor panels. Some primer, paint, and undercoat and it's good to go body wise. All told I've got about $1100.00 in it including new tires, factory rims, radiator, A/C compressor, shocks, brakes, misc. etcs. I did all the labor but the mechanicals were the easiest parts. The floor pan wasn't all that hard but it was the most time consuming. It all depends on what you want to do with it and how much of your time and effort you can afford to invest. > > No I bought the whole vehicle. Engine already installed. No info > > regarding that. I did not realize that the underside was shot. It has [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the new floor and either drive it like you intended or sell it and make > some money. There are plenty of these vehicles in rust-free condition, and I do mean rust-free condition, in New Mexico. Earle Heh, the engines probably cost about the same. But on the other hand anyone who needs one, needs it for an '86 more or less Cherokee and they are the sort of person who owns a twenty year old vehicle like this, that is to say broke. The vehicle is probably fixable, but if you know enough welding to fix it, you wouldn't be messing with a vehicle that old. You would be employed as a welder, eh? Earle > I would hope you could get more than that - I paid $600 for a junkyard > 2.5L for my '93 Wrangler. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > Greg Hi Greg FWIW I would fix it. I suggest you take it to a local high school or vocational school and ask the shop instructor if they can fix it if you supply the sheet metal and welding rods. Chances are they would be glad to do it if you take out the carpets and drive it in. Merrill > > Sell me the lift :-D > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Also, this works for paint jobs. Take them a couple of gallons of paint and some sandpaper and they will do it. Not professional, but cheap. Been there, done that. Merrill > Hi Greg > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > His rusty spots are pretty typical. RUST !!??? ................. on a JEEP ?????? You must be mistaken ! Sorry. I meant to say "holes." >> His rusty spots are pretty typical. > > RUST !!??? ................. on a JEEP ?????? You must be mistaken ! > I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the > interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Greg My bad, 2.5" lift Jerry, Are you interested in selling me the springs? Carl >> I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the >> interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > My bad, 2.5" lift People like Snow here believe it's worth the work, just remember to brace the chassis before you weld or your doors will not close: http://www.billhughes.com/snowXJ/ God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > I just bought an 86 Cherokee. I recently started to remove the > interior and carpet and discovered the front floor pans were shot as [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Greg  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Hey that floor out lasted the rest of the JeeP. When I got rid of it last summer both rockers were missing, gas tank couldn't more then about 2 litres, all four shocks were toast, one rear leaf was cracked. As long as you live in a place where you don't have to do an annual safety as part of the smog testing, then yes I think it worth it, but it also depends on the condition of the rest of the vehicle. In the case I would do it even with it only having a 4 banger. Snow... > Hey that floor out lasted the rest of the JeeP. When I got rid of it > last summer both rockers were missing, gas tank couldn't more then [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Snow... I'll second Snow's opinion. You can even use fiberglass matting and rosin to patch the floors up because it does have a 'frame' under there for stiffness. I have used duct tape, the real metal stuff and the soft stuff, to cover the gaping holes, then applied the glass mat over top and had that repair pass vehicle safety inspections on 'many' different vehicles with no comments other than a real hard thump on the area by the inspector to make sure it was a 'solid' repair. Our 88 currently has plywood for the drivers side floor. I am going to retire it though and maybe put my 87 that still has floors on the road if the city will give me enough time to swap the parts. Both need full clutch systems though... :-( (got a new apartment building up across the street and they 'really, really' don't like my rust bucket driveway beaters. The complaints are flying fast and furious. I am thinking on painting the one fingered salute on my garage door... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) LOL I think I'd take the Oscar down. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:45e44f0d$0$5790 > I'll second Snow's opinion. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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