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Car Forum / Jeep / March 2007Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: * common across the nation * the right size * the right weight * have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such as a Jeep * affordable to buy * compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above requirements" Let's see: Isuzu-several Nissan-SD25, SD33T Mercedes-OM617 Mitsubishi-several Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs VW-maybe for a flatfender Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud Volvo-same as Cummins Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! Iveco-possible How many do you need? Mean while International Harvester has stopped building Ford's dirty Power Stroke diesels: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=178404 God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no > doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > How many do you need?  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com That's already been resolved (by a judge) and they've resumed work, and shipment. Spdloader > Mean while International Harvester has stopped building Ford's dirty > Power Stroke diesels: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> >> How many do you need? Isuzu ? A new Isuzu 3 litre turbo diesel as fitted in the Isuzu Trooper has a dealer price around $17000. Yes, I wrote it correctly. Seventeen Thousand Bucks. Actually $17280. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no > doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Iveco-possible > How many do you need? > Isuzu ? A new Isuzu 3 litre turbo diesel as fitted in the Isuzu Trooper has > a dealer price around $17000. Yes, I wrote it correctly. Seventeen Thousand > Bucks. Actually $17280. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ I bought a 4BB1 for $1300 with three hundred hours on it two years ago-attached to a large DC generator for CO telecom power. It's powering my Korean War era life boat now, and I got $200 for the generator end and $50 for the fuel tank. Deals on diesels are there if you look hard enough. I've seen a lot of diesel equipment go for the core value of the engine or less. Same is true if you want a Mercruiser four ( a hell of a good engine for a flatfender Jeep.) Mercury Marine dealers will tell you you can't touch one for less than three thousand. I see whole boats with this engine go for a grand with trailer every winter. It's half a 460 Ford with a Chevy bolt pattern. > Isuzu ? A new Isuzu 3 litre turbo diesel as fitted in the Isuzu Trooper > has > a dealer price around $17000. Yes, I wrote it correctly. Seventeen > Thousand > Bucks. Actually $17280. I bought a couple of good running , 200K miles, Mercedes 300 Turbo-diesels, one only cost $200. If I hadn't already put a 360 in the project I would consider it. Stupendous Man proclaimed: >>Isuzu ? A new Isuzu 3 litre turbo diesel as fitted in the Isuzu Trooper >>has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > one only cost $200. If I hadn't already put a 360 in the project I would > consider it. I think I'd rather have the big Audi diesel that won LeMans... I'll bite for the Troll. Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still smarter than you Bret... And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the end like I mentioned. Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll by not just me. Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get sent to the back of the line because of stench. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no > doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > How many do you need? The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20 years ago here. There are many advantages to diesels over petrols for offroading - better torque per litre (the isuzu actually puts out more bhp/litre as well than the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > I'll bite for the Troll. > Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a > welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along > at the end like I mentioned. > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and > it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a > lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better. The torque and economy mean that in most countries if it isn't diesel it isn't a off road vehicle. Unless propane is dirt cheap. Propane is what Romain needs so his jeep club can sniff away to their hearts' content. And you can run a barbecue grill off it too. >and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a > lot better engine braking. Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty Damn, you got me there. Dave > >and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a > > lot better engine braking. > > Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest '87 CJ project. I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't wheel in large groups like that anyway. Spdloader > I'll bite for the Troll. > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] >> >> How many do you need? I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) Mike > I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my latest > '87 CJ project. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >>> >>> How many do you need? We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is. I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few minutes. "There, that's better", he said. Earle > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > >>> > >>> How many do you need? Hi Earle, You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the mountains, now. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is. > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming down into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is different down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a little bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from the bus exhaust to clear his head. ;^) Earle > Hi Earle, > You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Earle At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming down > into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is different [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > > > Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. Earle > At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > > > > > > Earle Including buffalo chips. Earle Horton proclaimed: > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >>>>> >>>>>Earle "Remember to comply with the "no burning" days that are specified by the Regional Air Quality Council (RAQC). RAQC identifies RED days on which the city?s air quality is poor and it is illegal to burn wood in conventional fireplaces." http://web.archive.org/web/20060529225250/http://www.denvergov.org/DEH/33archive.asp God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com That's People's Republic of Denver, heh. Earle > "Remember to comply with the "no burning" days that are specified by the > Regional Air Quality Council (RAQC). RAQC identifies RED days on which the > city?s air quality is poor and it is illegal to burn wood in conventional > fireplaces." http://web.archive.org/web/20060529225250/http://www.denvergov.org/DEH/33archive.asp > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > Earle On a clear day... and the skies are such a pretty blend of amber and brown tones. L.W. (Bill) Hughes III proclaimed: > Hi Earle, > You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >>Earle > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it > is. 15ppm, down from 500ppm. Diesel in Europe is 50ppm and they're debating dropping to 10ppm, what they call "sulphur-free." > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > difference > between that and a gasoline car. Well, yeah, different fuel, different exhaust smell. You can smell the difference between beef farts and bean farts, too. I don't know what it would be like with a > whole city full of them. Bean or beef? I'd prefer bean...less lingering power. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call > the > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few > minutes. "There, that's better", he said. When I visited Great Britain I was amazed how many diesel passenger cars there were. My friends in Germany have a diesel Mercedes crossover that will regulary do 140mph on the 'Bahn. We're visting next month and I am anticipating the ride! > Earle > [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >> >>> >> >>> How many do you need? Run bio diesel. Earle Horton proclaimed: > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is. > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] >>>>> >>>>> How many do you need? Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in this country. Earle > Run bio diesel. > [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > >>>>> > >>>>> How many do you need? > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. > Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in > this country. We have a lot of farmland not in production because the government pays for its nonuse. Else farmers would overproduce. Biofuels will probably raise commodity prices a little, but the price you pay at the supermarket is not going to be much affected. I expect hemp will be put back once they develop a version which looks different than the THC producing kind so the booze lobby does not stop it. > > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, > > beer. Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > put back once they develop a version which looks different than the > THC producing kind so the booze lobby does not stop it. Biofuels also compete with food production for petroleum... Earle That is a fact our 85% has made the poor Mexicans south of the border unable to buy tortillas. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. > Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > >> > > >>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my > > > latest > > > [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> How many do you need? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way, everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around. Earle Horton proclaimed: > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. > Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in [quoted text clipped - 166 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How many do you need? They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters required on all new diesels: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mike SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com California required ULSD on September 1, 2006. > They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> Mike Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel for Real Truckers. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > California required ULSD on September 1, 2006. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com And for all 2007MY diesel engines. Around here it's all you can buy now. > Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel for Real Truckers. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > >> California required ULSD on September 1, 2006. They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters required on all new diesels: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mike SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters required on all new diesels: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mike SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Don't understand the CO requirements -it appears to be wanting 8g/mi when the I6 Wrangler is currently putting out 323 g/km or > 500 g/mi ??? Dave > They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Mike Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group. If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin the bearings on an Indy Racer. Mike Romain proclaimed: > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >>>> >>>> How many do you need? > Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so > those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that > benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly > to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group. It's easy to get all the common rail engines over here-junkyards over there will crate them up complete with ECM and harnesses. And if you get rid of the catalysts, particulate traps and EGR they will burn regular fuel. The EPA has nothing to say about it if you tell them it's for a race car or an experimental aircraft at Customs. EPA is prohibited from messing with those. If you are going into an older chassis, KKKalifornia can be stumped if the engine is a "Service Replacement Block" engine. Which since Euro engines do not have a US format VIN they all are. You just have to be smarter than the average bear. > If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the > electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each > wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin > the bearings on an Indy Racer. That's a myth that has persisted forty years now! The four wheel drive STP racer (which took the pole on a junk unairworthy engine PWC gave Granatelli to shut him up) broke bearings because of exceedingly poor chassis design, NOT because of the mighty torque of the PT6A. They refused to put U-joints at the transfer case. I am kind of surprised that with all the junk unairworthy Allison and Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen more in off road recreational use. Wow, so now you are saying it is cool to import a stinkpot and run it with all the pollution stuff taken off. So it would appear you actually like the black smoke belching stink pots that can't pass real pollution controls... Have you ever had the misfortune to be behind one running our high sulfur fuel? It is an 'experience' hard to describe.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so >> those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen > more in off road recreational use. Apparently, we are down to 15 ppm in the States now. You fellows will catch up soon, maybe. As far as I know, you can't get a "race car or an experimental aircraft" engine into a road vehicle, unless of course you live in the boonies like where I live. I guess with the train belching coal fire smoke all summer long no one would notice. Earle > Wow, so now you are saying it is cool to import a stinkpot and run it > with all the pollution stuff taken off. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen > > more in off road recreational use. http://www.billhughes.com/dodgediesel.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > It's easy to get all the common rail engines over here-junkyards over > there will crate them up complete with ECM and harnesses. And if you [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen > more in off road recreational use. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? > http://www.billhughes.com/dodgediesel.jpg > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen >> more in off road recreational use. A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/diesel/dieselprices2006.html and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. Dave Milne, Scotland > A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to > it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > > > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack mechanically or electronicaly. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave Milne, Scotland SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ok, I got you :-) Dave > Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used > to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot > to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > I'll bite for the Troll. > > Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, eh? Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the a.s is the MBZ because of its front sump. It's also dirt cheap and about bulletproof. There are CJs with Isuzus, Mits, Nissans and Cumminses. > There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. > Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they > obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means > they are still smarter than you Bret... Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety of uses. MBZ insists on putting huge bag sumps on the front. They are the exception. Adapterwise they are not that difficult since every manner of car and light truck was sold somewhere with the more common diesel engines. I don't believe in adapting alien bellhousings to transmissions and prefer the scattershield approach. > And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line > forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get > sent to the back of the line because of stench. Real Jeepers are independent and don't jeep in conga lines. ... > Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in > the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > diesel engines. I don't believe in adapting alien bellhousings to > transmissions and prefer the scattershield approach. How's the Deutz Wrangler with oil-cooled cab heater coming? People really want to know. Cheers, Earle > ...> Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in > > the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > How's the Deutz Wrangler with oil-cooled cab heater coming? People really > want to know. Well, I've decided it's not going into a Wrangler. I've got something different planned, and the engine is mostly together. But using the oil cooler for cab heat is not a good idea: I bought a Webasto diesel fuel burning heater from a truck junkyard that will put out colossal heat on a quart of fuel an hour. > > ...> Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in > > > the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > fuel burning heater from a truck junkyard that will put out colossal > heat on a quart of fuel an hour. "Something different planned", uh, huh. A fuel burning cab heater is OK if you pay attention to maintenance. Mechanics that can rebuild an engine or an automatic transmission get all thumbs when faced with one. Earle > "Something different planned", uh, huh. A fuel burning cab heater is OK if > you pay attention to maintenance. Mechanics that can rebuild an engine or > an automatic transmission get all thumbs when faced with one. The Webasto is pretty simple. So are South Winds and Eberspachers. Most of these so caled "mechanics" are actually partschangers. Webastos are readily available but they are expensive new, so are the parts, but they are pretty reliable. LOL God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > How's the Deutz Wrangler with oil-cooled cab heater coming? People really > want to know. > > Cheers, > > Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the a.s is the > MBZ because of its front sump. A little cutting and welding will fix that. > > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the a.s is the > > MBZ because of its front sump. > > A little cutting and welding will fix that. On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are looking at catastrophic engine failure. MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s. "Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about 300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would go the life of the lower end probably. Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump clearance issue. |
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