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Car Forum / Jeep / March 2007

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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off

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Jerry Bransford - 14 Mar 2007 21:18 GMT
Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
money over water which does not cost money.  Water works just fine, I
know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water

Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used fo

this purpose

Mike Romain wrote
> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off
>
> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water t
d
> this.  The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though.  I have hear
fro
> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next tim
an
> see how it goes
>
> Mik
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> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one
use t
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> light-show
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> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in messag
> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07..
>
> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to ge
ri
> of the carbon build-up.  The easiest way to do this is to slowl
(!!
> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engin
i
> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly.  NO, this will NOT caus
> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlle
> manner over a minute to two minutes.  Just slowly trickle it an
> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickl
b
> accident

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Mike Romain - 14 Mar 2007 21:44 GMT
I only know what works for sure from experience,

I haven't tried water yet.

I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.

They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times.  They turn out clean as new with ATF.
 On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.

It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years.  I never saw water used.

I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though.  I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.

Mike

> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money.  Water works just fine, I
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Earle Horton - 14 Mar 2007 21:51 GMT
They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.

Earle

> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
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> >> accident.
Mike Romain - 14 Mar 2007 21:57 GMT
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-)

Mike

> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
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>>>> accident.
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 14 Mar 2007 22:30 GMT
Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
       God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike

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DougW - 14 Mar 2007 22:41 GMT
>    Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
>        God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0

That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.

>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike
Earle Horton - 15 Mar 2007 03:08 GMT
After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any better
than water does.

Earle

> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
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> >>>> accident.
DougW - 15 Mar 2007 03:45 GMT
> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
> better than water does.

Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.

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The Merg - 15 Mar 2007 04:01 GMT
Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light?  Being a poor college student
for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light to know it's
pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>> better than water does.
>
> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.
DougW - 15 Mar 2007 12:19 GMT
> Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light?  Being a poor college
> student for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light
> to know it's pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

That's an accurate description.  It costed about as much for a
full case as Bud did for a six-pack.  I called it rubbing alcohol
with fizz.

>>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>>> better than water does.
>>
>> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.
 
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