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Car Forum / Jeep / March 2007HOW MUCH LIFT FOR ME?
Hello. I have a 2006 Wrangler X that I would like to lift. I am totally clueless and I don't know whether or not I need a body lift, suspension lift, or both. I do know I do not want more than 2 or 3 inches for a lift. Here is what I am looking to achieve: I would like to put 31 inch tires (maybe 32's) on the jeep without having to re-calibrate the speedometer. I also do not want to change the T-case fixings or the steering components. And I do not want to have to worry about tire rub. I am not sure if I would need new shocks either to accommodate the lift. I would like to also put wider tires on my ride to give her that "beefy stance", but I am not sure how wide I can go without causing any damage or problems (275/285 maybe) with tires rubbing on sharp turns. Basically, what I want to do is get the lift and slap new tires on my ride and just drive with no other modifications. Any suggestions on how much lift, what size tires (I am thinking maybe 275 or 285/75/15), and what brand of lift I would need would be greatly appreciated. You don't need a lift to fit 31x10.5 tires. You can go with a simple and cheap coil spacer lift to get another 1.5" or so easily which makes the stance look a little nicer. You would need longer shocks for this or any lift. Steering has a simple adjustment to prevent the tires from rubbing on full turn. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Hello. I have a 2006 Wrangler X that I would like to lift. I am > totally clueless and I don't know whether or not I need a body lift, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > or 285/75/15), and what brand of lift I would need would be greatly > appreciated. You can get coil spring spacers, you'll spend about $100. You will not need new shocks for less than 2" of lift. Carl > Hello. I have a 2006 Wrangler X that I would like to lift. I am > totally clueless and I don't know whether or not I need a body lift, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > or 285/75/15), and what brand of lift I would need would be greatly > appreciated. > You can get coil spring spacers, you'll spend about $100. You will not need > new shocks for less than 2" of lift. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for the advice, but can you give any suggestions on how wide of a tire I can get without worrying about tire issues? My rims are 15 inch rims. Also, the coil spacers are those spacers (usually 1 inch) that fit underneath the coil springs correct? > > You can get coil spring spacers, you'll spend about $100. You will not need > > new shocks for less than 2" of lift. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh, I forgot to ask....would I want to go with a body lift or a suspension lift? Suspension. IMO you should not put in more than a 1" body lift. And if you do that, you should do the 1" motor mounts also. -jenn >>On Mar 23, 10:49 am, "Tracie" <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote: >>> On Mar 23, 10:31 am, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>Oh, I forgot to ask....would I want to go with a body lift or a >>suspension lift? Recalibrating the speedo is 1.) very easy, and 2.) not related to lift. It is related to tires, and tires require lift. But lifting the Jeep in and of itself will not result in recalibrating the speedo. Your tire selection will though, so don't limit the lift on that basis. As a practical matter, I think that 2 inches of suspension and 1 inch of body lift will make a set of 32's fit rather nicely. You can do this much lift with out moving everything else. I run a 32x11.50 on my CJ5, and that is plenty of rubber for pretty much anybody. Yes, there are a few that are more hardcore than I that are not happy with any less than 35" tires, but I suggest you just stand back and watch these guys. > Hello. I have a 2006 Wrangler X that I would like to lift. I am > totally clueless and I don't know whether or not I need a body lift, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > or 285/75/15), and what brand of lift I would need would be greatly > appreciated. And those hard core Jeepers go with leaf springs: http://billhughes.com/TJleafSprings/ God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Recalibrating the speedo is 1.) very easy, and 2.) not related to lift. It > is related to tires, and tires require lift. But lifting the Jeep in and of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > more hardcore than I that are not happy with any less than 35" tires, but I > suggest you just stand back and watch these guys.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Thank you Captain BesideThePoint for weighing in. > And those hard core Jeepers go with leaf springs: > http://billhughes.com/TJleafSprings/ [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I >> suggest you just stand back and watch these guys. Anytime Jeff, just trying to enlighten you about the correct type of lifts out there. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Thank you Captain BesideThePoint for weighing in. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "Those?" Bill, I think you meen "Two hard core jeepers go with leaf springs...." > Thank you Captain BesideThePoint for weighing in. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> I >>> suggest you just stand back and watch these guys. Whatever, I watch and recorded the last ESPN rock crawling championships and something with leaf springs won it. There seemed to be no way to edit it to make that connection in a short mpg, so it deleted for now. When you want strength and articulation you go with leaf springs, like your F350. If you want a good road hugging car you go with rear wheel drive, coil independent suspension front and rear, like my '89 T-Bird. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > "Those?" Bill, I think you meen "Two hard core jeepers go with leaf > springs...." SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com My no-longer-in-the-stable F250 articulated like a Bobcat. Same with the Excursion. > Whatever, I watch and recorded the last ESPN rock crawling > championships [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> "Those?" Bill, I think you meen "Two hard core jeepers go with leaf >> springs...." Get longer shocks and remove the stabilizer bar, like this leaf spring: http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/465000-465999/465730_3_full.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > My no-longer-in-the-stable F250 articulated like a Bobcat. Same with the > Excursion. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com While I'm at it I may as well install Rockwell axles and 47" Swampers for a daily driver. > Get longer shocks and remove the stabilizer bar, like this leaf spring: > http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/465000-465999/465730_3_full.jpg [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> My no-longer-in-the-stable F250 articulated like a Bobcat. Same with the >> Excursion. Maybe, but tires and axle have nothing to do with the leaf spring's articulation: http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/465000-465999/465730_3_full.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > While I'm at it I may as well install Rockwell axles and 47" Swampers for a > daily driver. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Mar 25, 10:08 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhug...@cox.net> wrote: > Maybe, but tires and axle have nothing to do with the leaf spring's > articulation:http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/465000-465999/46573... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com I think I am going to go with a 4" Trailblazer series lift from Old Man Emu. Anyone have any opinions about the quality of this lift? Also, with a 4" lift, do I need a slip yoke eliminator or a new driveshaft? THANKS AGAIN. Yes, you could tilt the engine and drop the transfer, but it would like you had a load of sh*t in your pants. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I think I am going to go with a 4" Trailblazer series lift from Old > Man Emu. Anyone have any opinions about the quality of this lift? > Also, with a 4" lift, do I need a slip yoke eliminator or a new > driveshaft? THANKS AGAIN. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > And those hard core Jeepers go with leaf springs: > http://billhughes.com/TJleafSprings/ Imagine how much more flex he would've had if he had went with coils. ;) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> And those hard core Jeepers go with leaf springs: >> http://billhughes.com/TJleafSprings/ > > Imagine how much more flex he would've had if he had went with coils. ;) Screw flex, I want lift! Ever notice how CJ's don't need that heavy rocker protection and extra under carriage protection the new Jeep need? There is a reason for this.... When a CJ lifts it wheel to go over a rock or series of them, it lifts the whole side of the body and the undercarriage up out of the way. When a TJ does this, it just lifts the wheel out of the way because it has great 'flex' allowing the rockers and undercarriage to scrape along the rocks... Hence the need for 'rock rails', etc... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Bingo! And we use our leaf springs to slide over rocks, where that wheel can't reach the ground. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Screw flex, I want lift! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > >> And those hard core Jeepers go with leaf springs: > >>http://billhughes.com/TJleafSprings/ [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) I agree that flex is over-rated. How much traction can a a tire have hanging way down with little weight on it? > I agree that flex is over-rated. How much traction can a a tire have > hanging way down with little weight on it? How much traction does a tire have when it's hanging in the air? ;) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> I agree that flex is over-rated. How much traction can a a tire have >> hanging way down with little weight on it? > > How much traction does a tire have when it's hanging in the air? ;) About the same, which was his point I believe. When you are high centered on that rock because you have so much flex, the tires have no traction. That's why so many TJ folks have to carry those 'widow makers', commonly called high lift jacks... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > About the same, which was his point I believe. A tire on the ground, even with very little weight on it, has more traction than one spinning in the air. Not much mind you, but a little is better than none at all. That was my point, obviously. ;) > When you are high centered on that rock because you have so much flex, > the tires have no traction. That's why so many TJ folks have to carry > those 'widow makers', commonly called high lift jacks... As opposed to being high centred on a rock and having one (or more) tire in the air? I'd prefer to keep my feet on the ground, even without much weight on 'em. ;) On the plus side, no flex makes tire changes a LOT easier. lol SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com That's why real Jeepers use spools. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > How much traction does a tire have when it's hanging in the air? ;) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Recalibrating the speedo is 1.) very easy, and 2.) not related to lift. It > is related to tires, and tires require lift. But lifting the Jeep in and of [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks. I think I am liking the 3 inch total lift (2 inch suspension and 1 inch body) quite well. I also think I will put the 32 X 11.50 tires on my ride as well. Just three more questions for everyone. What would the difference be if I did a 3 inch suspension lift instead of the 2 inch suspension lift and 1 inch body lift? Would 3 inches of total lift and 32 X 11.50 tires compromise my ride quality much? And last, would I need to get new shocks as well? THANK YOU everyone for your responses. You've been a big help. > > Recalibrating the speedo is 1.) very easy, and 2.) not related to lift. It > > is related to tires, and tires require lift. But lifting the Jeep in and of [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oops. I forgot to ask this question. If I decide to buy the spacer kits myself, is it best to go with a set made of polyurethane or aluminum? THANKS YET AGAIN! >> > Recalibrating the speedo is 1.) very easy, and 2.) not related to lift. >> > It [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > kits myself, is it best to go with a set made of polyurethane or > aluminum? THANKS YET AGAIN! I like the polyurethane body pucks. I think you should use longer springs, not spring spacers. >> Recalibrating the speedo is 1.) very easy, and 2.) not related to lift. It >> is related to tires, and tires require lift. But lifting the Jeep in and of [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > last, would I need to get new shocks as well? THANK YOU everyone for > your responses. You've been a big help. If you plan on off roading, 'any' suspension lift requires new shocks. Even the 1.5" spacers! If you do not put extended shocks on, the shocks will become the axle stops. This is bad news and 'will' break things. I have seen frames snapped in half and shocks snapped off. Another friend punched his shocks through the back seat on a city speed bump. Once you start talking more than 2" of spring lift, you are getting into new springs and new suspension hardware. If you stay with the 2 plus 1 lift, you costs still stay low. Also just FYI, if you drive in snow, those 11.5's will not have good traction. They are wide and will spin up really easily. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Hello. I have a 2006 Wrangler X that I would like to lift. I am > totally clueless and I don't know whether or not I need a body lift, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > or 285/75/15), and what brand of lift I would need would be greatly > appreciated. If money isn't an issue go buy the Old man emu 2.5" lift. You can run 32's with it. What is your backspacing on your wheels? If it is 4" or less, run 32x12.5 meat. |
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