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Car Forum / Jeep / April 2007Starting modern jeep question
Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. Is this true? This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to give the exact year. Earle > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. > Is this true? > This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging > system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Bummer! And here I was thinking the '95 would start like the '43. Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead. Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is. I keep reading replies to your posts before I see your posts... Mike > This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging > system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. >> Is this true? My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings Time. It is 10:18 Mountain Daylight Time right now in Albuquerque. Earle > Earle, you are out of phase with the rest of the world by an hour ahead. > Either your PC clock is off or the time zone is. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. > >> Is this true? Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here. How is your time zone? Mike > My PC is spot on. Maybe there is a bug in the "solution" that Microsoft > distributed for the problem of our goverment screwing with Daylight Savings [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. >>>> Is this true? Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our government changed the start and end dates. I have set MDT to start the second Sunday of March and end the first Sunday of November. We are in GMT - 07:00. Earle > Your post just showed up at 1:21 and it is still only 1:00 here. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. > >>>> Is this true? Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers show that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post it. There is a gotcha in the Windows DST logic. If you applied the fixes while the computer date was prior to the changeover, all went well. If the computer date was AFTER the changeover date when the fix was applied, the internal switches were never applied because the clock correction only occurs only on two specific cases: date/time rollover ON the changeover date or if the last update to the system clock occurred BEFORE the changeover and the next update is AFTER the changeover. I had problems with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the updates until after the new switch date. > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in >> >>>> it. Is this true?  SignatureWill Honea whonea@yahoo.com How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I forgot. What do I do now? Thanks. Earle > Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers show > that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post it. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > >> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in > >> >>>> it. Is this true? > How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I > forgot. What do I do now? Simple way to do it: make sure the hotfix for time is applied. Reboot and either use the BIOS to set the date to BEFORE the time change. Boot. If you have the network time sync running, it will fix the date and time catching the DST crap up as it does. If you don't use the network time sync, just change the date to the current date and it should make the time change for you and get you in sync. That's what it should do. What MS thinks it should do is an open question I just noted that the wife's laptop is all messed up and it was running with the fixes! XP Media Ed. Let us know how you make out - I may need some MS advice since I almost never run it. SignatureWill Honea whonea@yahoo.com Will, Your post shows up here as having been posted at 10:13 PM, but I think you actually posted it at 11:13 PM. Heh. Earle > > How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I > > forgot. What do I do now? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Let us know how you make out - I may need some MS advice since I almost > never run it. > Will, > > Your post shows up here as having been posted at 10:13 PM, but I think you > actually posted it at 11:13 PM. > > Heh. Uh huh. Reading the full headers, my post comes back here with: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:13:10 -0600 Yours omes in as: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:28:07 -0700 The -0600 is the UTC offset my computer attaches, the -0700 is attached by yours uses for your offset. Now, I know Sliverton is in a world of it's own but we should at least be in the same time zone! Or has one of us been listening to Coast-to-Coast radio too long? (Dang, I miss Art Bell on these late nights!) SignatureWill Honea whonea@yahoo.com > > Will, > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > listening to Coast-to-Coast radio too long? (Dang, I miss Art Bell on these > late nights!) I think this fixes it. So you think this is going to stay fixed? Search www.durangoherald.com for Silverton. Or look at this link. http://www.durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&ar ticle_path=/news/07/news070315_2.htm Saludos, Earle > I think this fixes it. So you think this is going to stay fixed? > > Search www.durangoherald.com for Silverton. Or look at this link. Header: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:20:44 -0600 Got the timezone right - now if you would just set your clock <g>... Earle, I don't know how all the pieces in Winxx work, but all the library routines I use for localtime() rely on an environment variable called %TIMEZONE% or %TZ%, depending on which OS I'm compiling for. What that essentially means is that the settings are not propogated until after a reboot since the timezone setting is a global environment variable whih means that it is read in on boot and never changes until a reboot. That's why hanging a timezone setting results in a change in the display only - the PC clock is never altered - period. There is a setting in Windows - been there sine 3.51, that activates a network sync for the hardware clock to a remote time standard like NIST Boulder. That's the only way I can keep all my machines synced. SignatureWill Honea whonea@yahoo.com Hi Earle, What I find interesting is the day to night light line runs diagonally across the U.S.of A. so as to make day time at ten P.M. in Utah, four hundred miles north east of me dark a eight P.M. Summer months: http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8528/earthimagesample0326xf.jpg God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > How could they screw up something so simple in principle? Oh yeah, I > forgot. What do I do now? [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > >> >>>> electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in > > >> >>>> it. Is this true? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Hi Earle, > What I find interesting is the day to night light line runs diagonally > across the U.S.of A. so as to make day time at ten P.M. in Utah, four > hundred miles north east of me dark a eight P.M. Summer months: > http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8528/earthimagesample0326xf.jpg Check out a straight line solstice: http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/-0/java Sounds good to me: http://www.classbrain.com/artstate/publish/virginia_time_zone.shtml God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Earl, -7 is MST. We are on MDT, at least in SE Colo., now. The headers show > that the qwest nntp server is getting your post one hour after you post it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with all the clocks on the church computers because I didn't run the > updates until after the new switch date. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your local one should show the time off too with this post of mine showing a half hour earlier than yours.... Mike > Microsoft distributed an application to allow us to manually edit the > characteristics of the time zone, to "fix" the problems created when our [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>> >>>> Mike As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary fix is that I am going to spend two days at my other house now, and if what Will says is right, that computer is OK. Earle > Well, you are an hour ahead of yourself, just look at the newsgroup time > tag on this post. It says 2:20 here and it is only 1:50 still. Your [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >>>> > >>>> Mike I recently abandoned ship and went to Linux. Without you there microcrap was just no good at all... Mike > As you know, Microsoft went all to hell after I quit working for them. They > sucked while I was there, but now they have gone all to hell. A temporary [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Yes, but do you remember his W-2? They paid Earle a fortune to leave Washington. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I recently abandoned ship and went to Linux. Without you there > microcrap was just no good at all... > > Mike SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Hi Earle, True, it'll pop the diode from any car with an alternator. And fifties was the last of the rear pump automatic, so they're added to the list. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > This is true of any "modern" vehicle with an alternator based charging > system, made since 1960 or so. Bill, Matt or Mike might be old enough to > give the exact year. > > Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. > Is this true? Yes. Same for having a dead battery in there, you are screwed. Even in my old 86 it won't start with a push and no battery because the alternator won't turn on with no power. It has to have a few volts in there to get the alternator field active. The new ones have to turn on a computer to turn on the alternator. Push starting with no battery went out with the generator vehicles and maybe some first generation alternators. They all need batteries of some sort in there now. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Someone told me recently that a modern fuel injected Jeep with > > electric fuel pump cannot be push started if it has no battery in it. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Thanks for the replies. I'll keep this in mind now, not be so confident about being able to start. |
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