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Car Forum / Jeep / April 2007SILLY QUESTION -- JUST NEED AN OPINION FROM EVERYONE
I am going to be replacing the windshield hinges, upper and lower door hinges, and hood hinges on my 2006 Wrangler X (just to prevent rust in the future). I am torn between getting the 304 stainless steel with the high polished mirror finish or the black chrome finish over the 304 stainless steel. My jeep is the Midnight Blue metallic (navy blue) color. Which one would look better? I also am going to be putting on nerf bars (preferably stainless) and would also like to install the euro guard headlight/side marker/parking/tail light guards but I am not sure which color of these yet (depends on the color of all the hinges). Anyone have any suggestions or know anything about the black chrome (i.e. does it flake, chip, peel, etc.)? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. THANKS I did that on my 1995 Wrangler when it was new. OK, the stainless doesn't rust but that isn't why we do this sort of thing, now is it? The door and windshield hinges are a sob to get adjusted right, and if you get the cheap ones (any brand but Kentrol) you are going to be sorry. If you put Steel Horse parts of any description on your Jeep you are going to be real sorry. Stainless scratches if you touch it and then you make it look worse when you try to polish it. The bolts that these parts tend to come with are a joke. Go to your local Ace Hardware store and get some hex head cap screws in stainless. You will love them. Much better than the Allen head joke screws you get with stainless parts. There is no such thing as "black chrome". The black hinges and such are powder coated. This stuff chips and comes off unless it is primed right at the factory, and sometimes even then. Good luck. Earle > I am going to be replacing the windshield hinges, upper and lower door > hinges, and hood hinges on my 2006 Wrangler X (just to prevent rust in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the black chrome (i.e. does it flake, chip, peel, etc.)? Any comments > would be greatly appreciated. THANKS >Stainless scratches if you touch it and then you make it look worse when you >try to polish it. It takes more than a touch to scratch it as it is pretty tuff and it is not hard to polish out scratches if you do it right. You just need the right method and compound. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:59 -0600, "Earle Horton" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com I have heard of Kentrol. They are supposed to be good. Anybody know anything about Rugged Ridge stainless hinges? >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:59 -0600, "Earle Horton" >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I have heard of Kentrol. They are supposed to be good. Anybody know > anything about Rugged Ridge stainless hinges? There are some 'real' bad suppliers of 'stainless' out there. The worst was 'stealhorse' which had to dump the name and farm out under new names because no one would buy their products anymore. Their 'stainless' came rusted right in the package, literally, as I have seen a few. I don't know what names they are trying to sucker people under these days unfortunately, maybe others do? Kentrol is known for stainless that lasts. If you plan on off roading, plan on your hinges getting scratched. They are the last place a branch hooks up on as it slides past your hood. Snoman doesn't off road so he has no experience with 'custom pin striping' on his J10 snowplow. LOL! I have never seen any coatings that would stay on stainless over time. They all chip off. Not saying some newer stuff might not stick, but... If I ever get more money than I know what to do with, after I put a new frame in my CJ7 Laredo, I might go with stainless hinges to match my chrome and stainless 'Laredo' package. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:59 -0600, "Earle Horton" >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) The alloy SS it is play a big roll in quality too. I would ask them what alloy they are using because some SS alloys are not good for this. (they use them because it is easier to machine) ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > >>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:59 -0600, "Earle Horton" > >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Heh, unless you're a metallurgist what they tell you will be meaningless. There is of course a compromise between durability and machine-ability. Watch out for "chrome" parts too. Chrome plating is a different process than stainless. Are there lots of stainless and chromed J-10 parts available? Saludos, Earle >Heh, unless you're a metallurgist what they tell you will be meaningless. Not if you know how to look alloys up because you can find out in a few minute or less on internt for ANY alloy or any metal. I used to know the major alloys but I would have to look them up to. (I still remember some steel and aluminum ones though) ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > There are some 'real' bad suppliers of 'stainless' out there. The worst > was 'stealhorse' which had to dump the name and farm out under new names > because no one would buy their products anymore. Their 'stainless' came > rusted right in the package, literally, as I have seen a few. You want to look for 304 stainless. Most other grades have to much carbon. > I don't know what names they are trying to sucker people under these > days unfortunately, maybe others do? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I have never seen any coatings that would stay on stainless over time. > They all chip off. Not saying some newer stuff might not stick, but... Don't bother painting stainless... IMO it seems pointless even if you do get it to stick. > If I ever get more money than I know what to do with, after I put a new > frame in my CJ7 Laredo, I might go with stainless hinges to match my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> There are some 'real' bad suppliers of 'stainless' out there. The worst >> was 'stealhorse' which had to dump the name and farm out under new names [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) hi all, 304 SS is also known as muffler stainless, it isn't a high grade of stainless steel, it is pretty soft (as SS goes), it is easily machined (especially with an L alloyed in) or formed / bent. corrosion resistance (penetration resistance) is pretty good but for cosmetic applications it won't hold a high polish or resist scratches. most u.s. built cars / trucks with SS exhaust systems use 304 SS. it will not however red rust or white corrode which would already be a big improvement over the hinges and mirror brackets on my TJ. reboot --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000732-0, 04/10/2007 Tested on: 4/10/2007 9:15:25 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com > >> Kentrol is known for stainless that lasts. [snips] > hi all, > 304 SS is also known as muffler stainless, it isn't a high grade of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > reboot I use 304 for my chopper parts and they seem to hold a polish. I googled Kentrol + 304 and found Kentrol uses a lot of 304 stainless. I just thought I'd say if you are looking for stainless parts and they don't state "304" stainless you might want to stay clear of them so you don't run into the same problem Mike did. 316 is another good alloy of stainless...if you ever see parts made from it. When I was into salt water aquariums I was looking up Stainless steel for use with them. If I remember correctly 304 stainless will last 10 years before it "starts" to corrode. 316 stainless will last 100 years before it starts to corrode submersed in saltwater. >>>>Kentrol is known for stainless that lasts. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > run into the same problem Mike did. 316 is another good alloy of > stainless...if you ever see parts made from it. 316 Stainless is the alloy most used on the parts we make for the local shipyard here, obviously for corrosion resistance. The corrosion resistance is superior to most other stainless alloys, but expect to pay for it. Not only is the metal more expensive, it is a bitch to machine compared to 303 or 304. This stuff will wear out carbide tooling in our CNC lathe easily 5 times faster than 303/304 will. Chris > When I was into salt water aquariums I was looking > up Stainless steel for use with them. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> you don't run into the same problem Mike did. 316 is another good >> alloy of stainless...if you ever see parts made from it. > 316 Stainless is the alloy most used on the parts we make for the local > shipyard here, obviously for corrosion resistance. The corrosion [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Chris Well 316 is also termed "marine grade" stainless. For production its best to "investment cast" 316 as close to its final shape as you can and then machine it the rest of the way to save tooling. You might even have sink drains in your home made with 316. For Jeep parts though the most you will probably find 316 in is nuts, bolts, washers, and Shackles. Another thing I was real hot to put stainless on the Jeep and "prevent rust", but now that I have the color mismatched half doors (it came with full doors) that doesn't seem so important anymore. Driving it, that's what's cool. Earle > > 316 Stainless is the alloy most used on the parts we make for the local > > shipyard here, obviously for corrosion resistance. The corrosion [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sink drains in your home made with 316. For Jeep parts though the most > you will probably find 316 in is nuts, bolts, washers, and Shackles. Doors? Real Jeeps don't have no stinkin' doors! God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Another thing I was real hot to put stainless on the Jeep and "prevent > rust", but now that I have the color mismatched half doors (it came with > full doors) that doesn't seem so important anymore. Driving it, that's > what's cool. > > Earle  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > stainless. You will love them. Much better than the Allen head joke screws > you get with stainless parts. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Earle Actually, yes there is. While the hinges and such in question might be powder coated, black chrome does in fact exist. > > stainless. You will love them. Much better than the Allen head joke screws > > you get with stainless parts. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Actually, yes there is. While the hinges and such in question might be > powder coated, black chrome does in fact exist. Not in 4wd parts catalogs though. Thanks, didn't know that. Earle > > > stainless. You will love them. Much better than the Allen head joke > screws [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yes it is. I found it in JC Whitney > > > > stainless. You will love them. Much better than the Allen head joke > > screws [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yes it is. I found it in JC Whitney Do you mean the "Omix® Mud & Shine Products® Black Powder-Coated Door Hinges"? That is a powder-coated (aka "painted") product. This fellow appears to be talking about a chrome (aka "plated metal") process with a black color. I don't believe that exists for Jeep parts. My advice is to wait a year, and see if the stainless parts are still as essential as they are now. In the meantime, put a drop of motor oil on the door, tailgate and windshield hinges at the articulating points so they don't rust. Saludos, Earle > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen...@yomama.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yes it does exist. Go to JCW, click on the jeep tab, and type in "black chrome" in the search box. It's there because I have seen it. The heading is BLACK CHROMED STAINLESS STEEL HOOD KITS (fifth item down). They sell for $244.99. On Apr 12, 12:47 pm, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > "Tracie" <brain...@upstate.edu> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yes it does exist. Go to JCW, click on the jeep tab, and type in "black chrome" in the search box. It's there because I have seen it. The heading is BLACK CHROMED STAINLESS STEEL HOOD KITS (fifth item down). They sell for $244.99. ---- I don't know. Why is there a mixture of shiny parts and black parts? If it's really chrome, be aware that cheap chrome plating, even if it's black, can flake off. It does say "dual stage", which implies a base coat of something, which is good, but what? And who makes the hinges? Also, you probably don't want to get just the hood kit, unless you know that all the other goodies like door hinges are available in the same color. Let us know how it works out. Earle > On Apr 12, 12:47 pm, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I don't know who makes the hinges, but the hinge kit (I misspoke myself earlier -- I meant HINGE KIT, not HOOD KIT) includes the w/s hinges, door hinges, and lower door hinges plus all hardware. After some research of my own, and some of the posts made here, I am not going to buy the black chrome anyway due to the "flaking off" factor. I don't wanna have to replace parts several times when I could have just bought stainless to start with and not worry about it for several years. I just wanted to let you know that "black chrome" does exist for Jeep parts. As for the parts, I have had a VERY hard time finding just the hood hinges without the hood vent, footman loop, and all the other stuff that comes in a hood kit. I have purchased the door hinges (both upper and lower) from a reputable dealer. Hinges are made by Outland by Smittybilt. I have heard they are a good brand, and they didn't break the bank. I have ordered the windshield hinges as well made by the same manufacturer, and am just waiting for them to come in. After I get them installed, I'll let you know how I made out. BTW, the stainless that I purchased has the high polish mirror finish, not the satin finish. > I am going to be replacing the windshield hinges, upper and lower door > hinges, and hood hinges on my 2006WranglerX (just to prevent rust in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the black chrome (i.e. does it flake, chip, peel, etc.)? Any comments > would be greatly appreciated. THANKS I own the same vehicle. Go all out and buy a grille cover and vent cover. I also bought a new front bumper with the plastic inserts for the ends..new tire cover..new bikini top and deck cover. Oh yes..and new tow hooks. I am not going to be doing any serious off-roading until my Jeep gets old but to do trail rides in Ct. you must have tow hooks. Oh...and some Back Off mud guards. |
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