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This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
gears and says solution is to forget 5th gear and then Bill agrees
that is less strain that way without even thinking about the extra
strain that big tires with stock gears add to complete drive train in
EVERY gear. You guys gave me a good morning chuckle! Also this logic
of yours reduces power or wheel torque that you can get to the ground
which shows you are 4 wheelers in ego not in practice. Getting back to
orginal post, Chevy gears will not fit a Jeep and even so a 3.73 will
not solve problem in OD with 35's nor would 4.10 most likley. A 4.56
would though. There is a mind set with some that a 3.73 or 4.10 is a
great overall gear but the proper gear ratio depends on the tire size,
vehicle and engine no one gear does all though some think they do. A
3.31 is a very poor gear choice for any off roading with stock or
especailly larger than stock tires. Anyone that really knows their
stuff would know this and fix it with proper gearing unless their ego
is bigger than their understanding of all it how works. Proper gearing
would give you more performance in all gears, require less usage of
low range, reduce driveline strain and likely improve MPG too because
engine will lug less but there are those that think the lower the RPM
the better the MPG and lower the overall strain. If you vehicle
requires 60 HP to cruise, it has to have 60 HP regardless of RPM which
means with tall gears it has to work even harder at a lower rpm to
cruise when you install bigger tires plus bigger tires add more drag
for rolling resistance and extra drag from taller vehicle which means
that you reall need to do more than just match effective gear ratio
(old ratio and tires vs new ratio and tires) if you want it to perform
well. You might look at the following charts. This first one shows
the effect of axle ratio on wheel traction
http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=63
This next one show the loss of effective pulling power or wheel torque
at contact surface as tire size increase without a gear ratio change
http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=53
This last one is a tire size and axle ratio calculator that lets you
compute you engine RPM in drive or any gear that you know the ratio
for.
http://www.snoman.com/HTML/axlecalc_5a.html
There are two basic groups of 4 wheelers, one group that thinks they
know what they are doing (Mikes Group) and give up gears on trannies
and run low range a lot and reduce over all performance and traction
of road because they think axle ratio gearing does not matter. And
when tranny or clutch fails or drishaft breaks or Tcase goes south
they blame it on poor design not improper application by them. Then
there is the other group (not one Mike suscribes too) that fully
understands the big picture how important proper gearing is and takes
the time and expense to regear vehicles properly (rather than hoping
for air intakes and exhaust modes to "fix" problem) and then they do
not have tranny, drive shaft or Tcase failures or power loss and they
also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
preforms better too on and off road.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:35:16 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
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>Hi Mike,
> Agreed, seeing fourth is direct anyway, locking the input with the
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Matt Macchiarolo - 29 May 2007 13:33 GMT
Sno Ball,
Mike and Bill have been here a LOT longer than you and have both forgotten
more that you will ever know. Let's not forget you discovered this group
while Usenet-stalking Mike, because he called you on your bullshit in
another group. Over in alt.trucks.ford you are almost universally disdained
for the idiotic advice you provide.
If you can, provide advice without the crap. Until you do, consider yourself
plonked.
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
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SnoMan - 29 May 2007 15:00 GMT
>Sno Ball,
>
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>another group. Over in alt.trucks.ford you are almost universally disdained
>for the idiotic advice you provide.
You know weather you have been here 6 month or 6 years does not make
bad advise good and I guess you are in the pond with them too. There
is a right way and wrong way to do things and you guys pick the wrong
way. Your BS dopes not defy the logic or physics involved here and
even if they are still here after 20 years they are still wrong and
you too. Truth is not based on how long you have been selling your BS
but rather the facts o9f the matter but fact and physics ellude you
guys so of course you back the looser. ALso as far as being here to
attack Mike, it is not personal and I did not fire the first volley.
It is the crap he spreads that I attack and will continue to do so
when he does it. If he makes factly posts I will not attack him but
when he sets himself up as a expert (when he is not) he should expect
the flack.He has a serious ego problem as shown in his sig. You know I
have OWNED 11 4x4's in close to 40 years and currently own 3. Most of
them were bought new too and I even have a 28 year old jeep truck (I
have owned it for 22 years now) that still runs and it is 100% stock
with no engine, tranny or Tcase failures) and it pushed snow hard for
many years too which is harder on a vehicle than off roading because
of drive train loading. If I had used Mike logic on mods and
operational practices it would have died long ago. Some of you guys do
not want real answers, you just want BS answers to make your ego feel
ok.
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twaldron - 29 May 2007 15:20 GMT
It's really a matter of what works for your driving/wheeling style. I'm
not sure why Mike's setup works either (3.31s and 33" pizza cutters) but
I don't run on the terrain he encounters either. Obviously it does work
for him. My setup, 35x12.50s/4.10/auto/4:1, works for me on the
roads/trails I run on, so I'm fine without a re-gear. Next set of tires
may be 33s. We'll see. Someone else may find my setup completely
unusable. There are guidelines, but it's also somewhat subjective.
tw
> You know weather you have been here 6 month or 6 years does not make
> bad advise good and I guess you are in the pond with them too. There
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Dave Milne - 01 Jun 2007 08:10 GMT
It would be more impressive if you had owned just one in that time !
Dave Milne, Scotland
>You know I have OWNED 11 4x4's in close to 40 years and currently own 3.
Mike Romain - 29 May 2007 16:02 GMT
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize.
It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
dead stalker it would seem.
I prefer to use brains rather than toss money at a non issue.
I have low range in my Jeep. I almost 'never' need 1st low so I
obviously don't need lower gears.
I can rev my 258 to 4400 rpm if needed which gives me 52 mph in 2nd, 3rd
pulls hard to 75 mph, 4th will quickly bury the speedometer and I have
'no' urge to find out how fast 5th will go.
I also get a sweet 23 mpg on the highway by 'not' using overdrive or 5th
gear and have been doing so for over Ten years without damaging my Jeep.
So, once again, go screw yourself and your total bullshit.
If you 'really' want to play, I am unemployed and have nothing better to
do with my time than to take on and out an internet stalker.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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twaldron - 29 May 2007 16:57 GMT
Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
away with my setup.
tw
> It must be nice to have more money than brains. I have a rich brain
> dead stalker it would seem.
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Mike Romain - 29 May 2007 17:16 GMT
I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
the tank back up too for some strange reason...
I normally run trails in 3rd low.
Mike
> Yep, you're just using your 4low more often than guys with 33s/4.10s. No
> biggie. If it works, it works! I do that as well and that's how I get
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nrs - 29 May 2007 20:46 GMT
> I wheel with lots of folks from this group that have 'proper' ratios and
> when we come out of the bush I always need way less gas than them to top
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This is kind of like a master diver who uses half the air while on a
dive. Takes practice!
Earle Horton - 29 May 2007 18:29 GMT
Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 30 May 2007 05:36 GMT
We buys ya books and send you to Spain and this all we get? ;-)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Bill and Mike are right. Sos sabelotodo hijo de puta.
>
> Saludos cordiales,
>
> Earle

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twaldron - 30 May 2007 13:15 GMT
Well, that and a penicillin shot.
tw
> We buys ya books and send you to Spain and this all we get? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Earle Horton - 30 May 2007 15:18 GMT
Que le den en la puta madre.
Saludos cordiales,
Earle
> We buys ya books and send you to Spain and this all we get? ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 30 May 2007 05:31 GMT
I can tell you don't even know what direct is when talking about
transmissions.
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> This is so bizzare but coming from Mike it is no surprize. He projects
> himself as the macho 4 wheeler Jeep expert,runs bigger tires with tall
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> also get to use all of the gears too as well as have a vehicle that
> preforms better too on and off road.

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