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Car Forum / Jeep / June 2007JK CRD
Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the tailgate. This piqued my interest. The driver turned into a parking lot and I followed and pulled up next to him (I happened to be driving the TJ). I didn't ask him what he did, but it's obvious he works at Cerberus-Chrysler. He told me it was a European spec diesel Wrangler (it did have the full front fenders) and the diesel, as far as he knew, would not be available in the States anytime soon. Which is disappointing, but living in SE Michigan I see many developmental vehicles, and generally the drivers are engineers who are pretty good about not giving too much information. My thought is, if they aren't going to offer a diesel Wrangler in the States, why do they have the European spec diesel here now?? I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke or smell like a refinery.  Signature--- Matt Macchiarolo mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net " >Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I >noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I wish I had gotten a picture. And no Mike or Bill, it didn't belch smoke or >smell like a refinery. It has the 2.8L VM I-4 CRD that you've seen in the KJ Liberty, not a Mercedes diesel. Loads of torque but only about 160 HP. The company I work for was quoting some parts on this program a couple of years ago, IIRC this powertrain is going to be offered in the USA in future model years. As for why you see them driving around SE Michigan - these are either development vehicles or early line built pre-production vehicles getting thoroughly checked out before volume production begins. reboot --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000746-0, 05/30/2007 Tested on: 5/30/2007 11:51:05 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Hope you are wrong and they put the 210hp 376lb/ft torque 3.0 CRD from the Grand Cherokee in ! That would be nice. Dave > >Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I > >noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > The company I work for was quoting some parts on this program a couple > of years ago, IIRC this powertrain is going to be offered in the USA > in future model years. Of course that was pre-Cerberus.... > As for why you see them driving around SE Michigan - these are either > development vehicles or early line built pre-production vehicles > getting thoroughly checked out before volume production begins. Well, yeah, didn't I already mention that? matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and spencer road it's the back way in to the gm proving grounds i work just down the street > Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I > noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > " I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon. > matt you would not believe the amount of proto vehicles i see at old23 and > spencer road [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> " i work on old 23 south of there > I'm only about 5-10 miles from there, off Kent Lake toward South Lyon. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >> > >> " Matt, What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for media launches. I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here. They do run very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period. They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made. Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's and 80's. Too bad. I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in fast highway driving. Maybe times and fuel costs will change the manufacturers minds...but for now...don't hold your breath for a U.S. Diesel Wrangler! Mogman416 > Saw a red JK Wrangler Unlimited today, it pulled in front of me in town. I > noticed it had manufacturer plates on it and the initials CRD on the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > " > Matt, > > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for > media launches. Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ, had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the orthodontist... I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here. Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition cycle of a diesel engine? They do run > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period. > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made. > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's > and 80's. Too bad. Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers, put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd be pleasantly surprised with the results. If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at the dealership. I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in > fast highway driving. >> Matt, >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in >> fast highway driving. I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520 lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know about Armada but is would fit of course) I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to 3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's. I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low sulfur fuel. They have a 2.0 CRD in the Patriot and a 3.0 CRD in the new Grand Cherokee. Sadly, no v8 CRD yet. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to > 3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with > competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's. > > I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low > sulfur fuel. >They have a 2.0 CRD in the Patriot and a 3.0 CRD in the new Grand Cherokee. >Sadly, no v8 CRD yet. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low >> sulfur fuel. The 2.0 is a Volkswagen engine and the 3.0 V6 is the Mercedes motor. I've ridden in an E-Class with the V6 and it runs out very nice. I haven't ridden or driven the Volkswagen motor so I can't say from personal experience. Mercedes produces a 2.2L I4 CRD but I think it costs more than the VW engine. I guess I would expect the level of sophistication and the specific power of the VW motor to be less than the Mercedes motor. reboot (also a '99 TJ) No, dont think so in this instance actually. VW is leading the way in diesels at the moment with very high fuel pressures. If you are correct, the 2 litre is the Golf engine and it is very good. 168bhp and 258lb/ft - impressive. Dave Milne, Scotland > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:55:40 GMT, "Dave Milne" > The 2.0 is a Volkswagen engine and the 3.0 V6 is the Mercedes motor. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > reboot (also a '99 TJ) V8? Feh, I want a LeMans winning V10 diesel... Hey, maybe the VW group will buy Jeep... Dave Milne proclaimed: > They have a 2.0 CRD in the Patriot and a 3.0 CRD in the new Grand Cherokee. > Sadly, no v8 CRD yet. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low >>sulfur fuel. They do a W10 in the Touareg - 313 bhp and 553 lb ft torque ! Dave > V8? Feh, I want a LeMans winning V10 diesel... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >>I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low > >>sulfur fuel. > <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > be pleasantly surprised with the results. > Matt, No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production test vehicles. The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar. The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler 300C for one is ready to go. > If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at > the dealership. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message > No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps > was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler > 300C for one is ready to go. That's great news. Doesn't the GRand Cherokee have a diesel engine available now as well? > That's great news. Doesn't the GRand Cherokee have a diesel engine > available now as well? Yes, a 3 liter turbocharged and it's not great news, diesels make me sick as a dog. Riding 5 blocks in almost anything diesel powered will have me puking my guts out.... SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Sounds like the last dieslel vehicle you rode in was an '82 Olds.... >> That's great news. Doesn't the GRand Cherokee have a diesel engine >> available now as well? > > Yes, a 3 liter turbocharged and it's not great news, diesels make me > sick as a dog. Riding 5 blocks in almost anything diesel powered will > have me puking my guts out.... >>> That's great news. Doesn't the GRand Cherokee have a diesel >>> engine available now as well? >> >> Yes, a 3 liter turbocharged and it's not great news, diesels make >> me sick as a dog. Riding 5 blocks in almost anything diesel >> powered will have me puking my guts out.... > Sounds like the last dieslel vehicle you rode in was an '82 > Olds.... I did ride in a 1982 Olds, as a matter of fact! Along with current Mercedes, VWs, etc. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Or any diesel burning Canadian fuel! The highest sulfur fuel in the world crap which is unbelievably gagging to follow... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Sounds like the last dieslel vehicle you rode in was an '82 Olds.... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> sick as a dog. Riding 5 blocks in almost anything diesel powered will >> have me puking my guts out.... > Or any diesel burning Canadian fuel! The highest sulfur fuel in > the world crap which is unbelievably gagging to follow... I'm told biodiesel smells different? I wonder if that would make me lose my lunch? SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html >> Or any diesel burning Canadian fuel! The highest sulfur fuel in >> the world crap which is unbelievably gagging to follow... > > I'm told biodiesel smells different? I wonder if that would make me > lose my lunch? It does ... but not for the better. The bio I run in my Ram is 20% soy bio. It's "sharper" smelling. Personally, I like the smell of diesel. That's why I own three of 'em. (well, and the good mileage and pulling power). Craig C. US diesel is down to 15ppm, lower than European sulfur standards. > Or any diesel burning Canadian fuel! The highest sulfur fuel in the world > crap which is unbelievably gagging to follow... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> sick as a dog. Riding 5 blocks in almost anything diesel powered will >>> have me puking my guts out.... Check your exhaust back pressure, I bet you need the it's filter changed. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > US diesel is down to 15ppm, lower than European sulfur standards. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:12:33 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> Amazingly Replied without Prejudice below: Pirated Software & Troll Of course I was trolling when I wrote those words. "L.W.(Troll Boy) Hughes III" You know I've never lied. And I don't use foul language, as that and cross posting are how I've close many of these anonymous coward's IPs. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ I saw my Doctor using a recorder, and asked about the program, Dragon Naturally Speaking and he gave me a copy, it works as advertised, a novelty that gets old. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ I have Auto Cad, too. BFD. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ They were bought and pay for, over four thousand for my Auto Cad, just not by me. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Fraudulent Tax Reporting My bills of sales are boxed in the year they were entered into my tax receipts, It would take hours to go though this year's receipts, let alone going back ten years. Of course you never making enough to pay taxes, you wouldn't know about that. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ He calls upon the Lord, who hears him not: You know I can relate to Jesus, as I've only done good, yet these little low lifes persist in persecuting me. Pray for them as they know not what they do. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ LIAR We don't take wimps like you. Some of our training: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-801130429841205822&q=machine+gun&hl=en God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ It's not required, it's just fun to shoot seven hundred and fifty bucks a minute. I'd ask what you train with, but you being a felon, you may not own a firearm, nor vote. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ But we talked. Jesus and me, and we decided to make this group a crusade, and spread the holy word of our Father. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Like Jesus, I write only the truth. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ I'm happy living my life, for my Lord, Jesus. You can hang with the perverts for all I care. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Wrong Again Fool! That means you're inbred Cajun. I have no french in my ancestry: http://www.genealogy.com/users/h/u/g/Llewellyn-W-Hughes-iii/TREE/0004tree.html God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Can't Spell That is a fact, I'm never wrong, except in spelling and grammar which have never been important to me. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Is a Homo I am a homosexual. period! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ L.W.(Bill) Hughes III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@cox.net: Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater dick than mine? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com Bigot My parent taught me to be truthful and to take responsibility for myself and family. I may be a bigot as I hate Japanese products. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ :> Check your exhaust back pressure, I bet you need the it's filter :>changed. :> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O :>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ :> :>> US diesel is down to 15ppm, lower than European sulfur standards. There you go again, the little jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfing body, family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, abuse@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, abuse@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ ><snip queer fantasies over my body, and the jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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