Need T90 oil collector (Jeep pn 640413)

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zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 02 Jun 2007 22:13 GMT

I'm rebuilding a couple of T90 3-speed trannys (not actually in a
Jeep, it must be said - I'm a Scout guy :) and both of them had their
oil collectors left out by some previous owner.

This part is impossible to find - millions of Jeep catalog companies
claim to have it in their catalog but it's actually discontinued and
these companies don't have stock.

Can anyone help with at least one? A salvage part out of a junked T90
is 100% fine as long as you haven't stepped on it; this is not really
a wear item.

thanks.

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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 03 Jun 2007 01:00 GMT

Sounds like you have the typical V8 conversion, and you know if it
coughs it's going to take out second, and one of those teeth are going take
out the oilier:
http://www.jeepdr.com/store/product_details.cfm?action=view&sku=413 along
with the input.
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> I'm rebuilding a couple of T90 3-speed trannys (not actually in a
> Jeep, it must be said - I'm a Scout guy :) and both of them had their
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>
> thanks.

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zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 03 Jun 2007 02:22 GMT

On Jun 2, 8:00 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:

> Sounds like you have the typical V8 conversion, and you know if it
> coughs it's going to take out second, and one of those teeth are going

Huh? I have 152cid 4-cylinder engines. Nothing converted here - 152cid
slant 4 + T90 plus Dana 18 t-case is the factory configuration for a
Scout 80 4x4.

2nd gear is pretty worn in both of my trans's and I intend to replace
it. The counter shaft is also fairly worn, so I'm replacing that.

I couldn't get into that website - it said I have cookies disabled,
even though I don't.

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zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 03 Jun 2007 02:32 GMT

On Jun 2, 8:00 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhug...@cox.net>
wrote:

>http://www.jeepdr.com/store/product_details.cfm?action=view&sku=413

Wait a moment, I found the part on this store... I hope they have it
in stock. I've asked at least fifteen different online stores to date.

thanks (I hope).

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Howard Eisenhauer - 03 Jun 2007 03:06 GMT

The oil collectors were actually deleted from later production runs,
they're there to help prevent too much oil going out the front
bearing.

Three points-

Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're going
down a steeper grade the collector ain't a gonna stop it anyhow. :(

Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input
shaft a' la the T14 cap( which, oddly enough, is a bolt on)

The hot tickie is to replace the front bearing with a sealed unit &
plug the return port. And put the o-ring in the cap. :)

If you haven't seen them I highly recommend Rick Stiver's T90 & D-18
rebuild guides-

http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90RebuildGuide/T90rebuild.htm

http://www.willystech.com/wt/Model18TCase/Model18TransferCase.html

If they'll help you out photo's I took during my own rebuilds are
here-

http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sludge%20Pile/Section_J_Transmission/

http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sludge%20Pile/Section_K_Transfer%20Case/

They're labled according to the rebuild guide sections.

A buddy of mine is just finishing up a total 100% stock restoration of
his '64 Bronco, even chased down a front bench seat for the thing :/.

Good luck,

H.

http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Tonka.html

>I'm rebuilding a couple of T90 3-speed trannys (not actually in a
>Jeep, it must be said - I'm a Scout guy :) and both of them had their
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>
>thanks.

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Howard Eisenhauer - 03 Jun 2007 03:09 GMT

*Snip*

>A buddy of mine is just finishing up a total 100% stock restoration of
>his '64 Bronco,
>
>H.

OOOOPS, My mistake, you're a *Scout* guy- No offence intended. I also
know a guy who's into Scouts :).

H.

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zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 03 Jun 2007 03:52 GMT

On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
<howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're

Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(

> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input

Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90RebuildGuide/T90rebuild.htm

I had read these extensively...

>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sludge%20Pile/Section_J_Transmission/

but never saw this before, thanks.

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Howard Eisenhauer - 03 Jun 2007 15:48 GMT

>On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
><howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
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>care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
>[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(

On level ground?? Sumptin isn't making sense here :? Of course, if a
T90 isn't leaking at least a little oil it can only mean one thing-
its out of oil :)

>> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input
>
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>leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
>seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

The felt seal is really more of a dust/mud inhibiter, obviously felt
won't stop oil from getting past. Not sure about the metal/leather
seal, only ever heard of the rubber ones, maybe a IH specific item? At
any rate the cap has to be specificly machined to take a seal- the T14
& IIRC later T90 caps have a thicker casting where the tube goes in to
facilitate fitting the seal, theres not enough material there on the
regular T90 cap.

Have you considered going with the sealed input bearing? Lots of
people are very happy with them. (Ignore the rebuild guide where they
say to remove the inner seal for lubrication, these bearings are
designed to go 100,000 miles as is.)

Have you tried Walck's for the collector-

http://www.walcks4wd.com/

It's rare that they don't have NOS stuff in stock, you can also try
Peter Debella-

http://www.debellajeepparts.com/CJ2transmission.htm

also pretty much guaranteed to have the collector in stock.

>> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90RebuildGuide/T90rebuild.htm
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>
>but never saw this before, thanks.

You're welcome :)

Good luck,

H.

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