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How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7 Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ... Thanks again for help guys. They didn't make a three speed for '80: http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=277032 If it's a year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7 > Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ... > > Thanks again for help guys.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:30:32 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> Amazingly Replied without Prejudice below: Does it say that in Google? Pirated Software & Troll Of course I was trolling when I wrote those words. "L.W.(Troll Boy) Hughes III" You know I've never lied. 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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ L.W.(Bill) Hughes III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@cox.net: Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater dick than mine? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com Bigot My parent taught me to be truthful and to take responsibility for myself and family. I may be a bigot as I hate Japanese products. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ :> They didn't make a three speed for '80: :>http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=277032 If it's a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :>> :>> Thanks again for help guys. L.W.(Bill) Hughes III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@cox.net: Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater dick than mine? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com There you go again, the little jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfing body, family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, abuse@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, abuse@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ ><snip queer fantasies over my body, and the jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:52:32 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> Amazingly Replied without Prejudice below: Hey you FAT Neanderthal, Queer suck Monkey, is that what your parents taught you how to cut & paste, what an uneducated bunch of Protoplasm. :> There you go again, the little jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact :>that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] :>><snip queer fantasies over my body, and the jealous senile babbling over my :>accomplishments and conquests> L.W.(Bill) Hughes III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@cox.net: Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater dick than mine? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com There you go again, the little jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfing body, family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from Navarre, Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, abuse@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, abuse@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Hey you FAT Neanderthal, Queer suck Monkey, is that what your parents > taught you how to cut & paste, what an uneducated bunch of Protoplasm. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know nothing of how gears work and what the subsequenct number means when it comes to offroading ...is this set-up good if I were to add a bit of lift and throw 32 or 33" muds on? > They didn't make a three speed for '80: > http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=277032 If it's a > year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler. >I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know >nothing of how gears work and what the subsequenct number means when it >comes to offroading ...is this set-up good if I were to add a bit of lift >and throw 32 or 33" muds on? I would not use tires like that with stock gearing because it would be hard on clutch. Jeeps back then came with a small tires diameter and 32 or 33's would represent a large effective final drive ratio change and I would not recomand it unless you regear it or maybe swap in a old T-18 with a granny first gear. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com No one has ever bitched about the 3 speed that I have heard of, it is a strong tranny. I have wheeled with folks with them. I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed. Seeing as the CJ7 will fit 31's in it's stock form which is where the stock speedometer gear is exact to a GPS, upping to a 32 or 33" tires isn't a big step. The higher number of gears in the later transmissions and the overdrive they add in is for that CAFE or whatever they want to call the fuel consumption numbers. You get better mileage when you have the gear ranges to keep the engine in it's 'sweet' spot or around 2300 rpm for the 258. Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box anchor points. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at > the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a >> year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler. >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed. You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless and less power in all the other gears and needing low rang more by default due to lack of effective gear ratio. But see people like mike do not understand the big picture that low range was no made for over sized tires or to make up for improper effective gear ratio because of tires size. Mike also beleive that the best way to reduce drive line stress and wrapup/bind in 4x4 it to burn rubber in reverse too. See mikes answers are based on ego, not fact, physics or science. When you ahve a stick shift, the taller the effective ratio, the more torque clutch has to transmit and the longer it has to slip before the disc and flywheel speeds are matched for full engagement. SLipping the clutch does not multiply torque at all. Automatics are a bit more tolerant of gear ratio changes at start out because the torque converter in the tranny can multiply engine toque at stall/startup by 2 to 3 times (depending whether it is a singe or dual stator converter as a dual stator can do 3 to 1 or a bit better) What this mean is that if to have a automatic with a 2 to 1 stall and say 200 ft lbs of engine torque you would have a effect launch ratio of 5 to one in tranny with a 2 to 1 converter (2.5 gear ratio times 2) so you could put 1000 ft lbs of torque on tranny output shaft in theory and sustain it for several seconds if need be. WIth a 3 speed, you would only have 3 to 1 which means max torque would be 600 ft lbs output and if you tried to hold that level at a stall for more than a second or two tops, clutch would be toast. THink of it another way, if you go from 28's to 33 with stock gears you effective gear ratio would be about 20% taller which means it takes 20% more power to do anything and at start out it would be the same as starting out with a first gear ratio of about 2.4 to 1 with stock tires. It is all related unless you are a rocket scientist like Mike that beleives none of this even matters at all and only ego counts and you can fix this with a air cleaner and a exhaust.. BTW, I am not stalking him but I cannot resit responding to some of his stupid posts and advise. He leaves the door open a lot. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com You have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are a totally insane lying stalker that gives out advice that will Kill people. Once again go screw off jerk! Mike >>I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who >>knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you >>have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed. > > You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and > gear ratios. Now this is laughable!! You who have been chastised for continually posting wrong, misleading, and dangerous info on at least 5 newsgroups, have the balls to say people are playing with fire taking Mikes advice???????????????? You really are out of your friggin' mind! >>> I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who >>> knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You really are out of your friggin' mind! 5 groups???? He is also over on the other Jeep groups with his BS. Today he is only trying to convince some poor guy to snap off his intake bolts on his I6 by ramping the torque up to the V8 spec of 43 ft lb instead of the 20-25 it calls for... Mike > He is also over on the other Jeep groups with his BS. Today he is only > trying to convince some poor guy to snap off his intake bolts on his I6 > by ramping the torque up to the V8 spec of 43 ft lb instead of the 20-25 > it calls for... Let's sick Bill on him. :-) Craig C. >> He is also over on the other Jeep groups with his BS. Today he is only >> trying to convince some poor guy to snap off his intake bolts on his I6 >> by ramping the torque up to the V8 spec of 43 ft lb instead of the 20-25 >> it calls for... > > Let's sick Bill on him. Now there is a interesting deal. I'd give the win to the Idiot as he posts orginal stuff. They gay coward is a c&p artist, nothing there. Just a wasteland Here's the faggot coward again, too afraid of it's own shadow to give us an address, all it can do is spam like the other worthless anonymous cowards. Do you feel brave now? <ROTFLMAO> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ ><snip coward's lies and bullsh*t threats, that it could only be made by a queer hiding anonymously> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > >> He is also over on the other Jeep groups with his BS. Today he is only > >> trying to convince some poor guy to snap off his intake bolts on his I6 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'd give the win to the Idiot as he posts orginal stuff. They gay coward is > a c&p artist, nothing there. Just a wasteland Roy, With all due respect, all the crazy posts are bad enough without the "Dodge Boys" jumping into the quagmire. But if you're here to help, then thanks in advance -- just my opinion. Frankly, I'd try "misc.transport.trucking" for a serious challenge. Jon What help is this coward over there? http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=-k8XbgwAAABP-JILSkJ0wpKsA0XWo-V g&hl=en God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Roy, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jon SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> >> He is also over on the other Jeep groups with his BS. Today he is >> >> only [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jon Jon, I sorta wandered over looking for some jeep info. Ya have some real good folk's here and one a.shole who's only contribution seems to be a c&p artist. I was amazed to see the Idiot here spreading his misinformation around in this ng as well as the other's he frequents. I'm going back to lurk mode, play nice. Here's the faggot coward again, too afraid of it's own shadow to give us an address, all it can do is spam like the other worthless anonymous cowards. Do you feel brave now? <ROTFLMAO> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ ><snip coward's lies and bullsh*t threats, that it could only be made by a queer hiding anonymously> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who >>>> knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 5 groups???? 5 that I drop into from time to time. Oh, and probably the largest snowplowing forum as well. Actually he was tossed from there. > He is also over on the other Jeep groups with his BS. Today he is only > trying to convince some poor guy to snap off his intake bolts on his I6 by > ramping the torque up to the V8 spec of 43 ft lb instead of the 20-25 it > calls for... Yup, he does have a problem with torque values. He once told a guy to tighten down the front bearing retainer on his trans. to 90 foot pounds when it was supposed to be 35. The stories about this clown are endless. Every so often he hit's on something but those times are few and far between. Of course there are the mindnumbing stories about burbs and dump trucks from 30 years ago. It is endless > Mike Here's the faggot coward again, too afraid of it's own shadow to give us an address, all it can do is spam like the other worthless anonymous cowards. Do you feel brave now? <ROTFLMAO> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ ><snip coward's lies and bullsh*t threats, that it could only be made by a queer hiding anonymously> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com And you thought the Original Poster was talking about axle ratio. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ ><snip jealous ranting> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com 5th gear is even pretty useless on a 3.07 ratio with 29s on a stock set up. If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do great with less than 5 gears. Dave Milne, Scotland > >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who > >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you > >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed. > You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and > gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires > and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday) ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar when it gets to this point? Thanks again! > Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the > passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of > the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box > anchor points. 'If' there is enough steel left, I have seen boxes put over the frame tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to. Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used before it gets terminal. For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches, well.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so > well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box >> anchor points. Hi Griffin, In the seventies California regarded Jeeps as farm vehicles, so like commercial trucks they take on the year they were actually sold. VIN decoder: http://www.cjoffroad.com/writeup.asp?WU_ID=13&noAdd=1 God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at > the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a > > year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Ahh ok, makes sense. Turns out it was a 4speed anyway ... > Hi Griffin, > In the seventies California regarded Jeeps as farm vehicles, so like > commercial trucks they take on the year they were actually sold. VIN > decoder: http://www.cjoffroad.com/writeup.asp?WU_ID=13&noAdd=1 Much better than my Corvette 2.20 low, Muncie 22 rock crusher: http://www.billhughes.com/pismo.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at > the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a > > year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:30:32 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > They didn't make a three speed for '80: While I tend to agree that they were not supposed to be in 80 models it appears that a few were built with T150 3 speeds in them. Possible at start of model year to use up old stock. Other than it being a 3 speed it is a sturdy tranny. Ratios are 1st-2.99, 2nd-1.75, 3rd-1.00 and rev-3.17. Around 79 saw the end of the T18 4 speed too and the 4 sp that replaced with a T-176 that had a first gear not much deepr than the T-150 rather than the granny gear first of the T-18. The T150 will hold up fine but your clutch will not if you lft it and install bigger tires with regearing axles. If you leave it stock you will do fine. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7 > Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ... > > Thanks again for help guys. The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output. Signature"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey, that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated." Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast. |
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