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Car Forum / Jeep / September 2007

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'04 Grand Cherokee Lurch on Stop...

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googlegroups@gersic.com - 30 Jul 2007 03:20 GMT
Hi all,

I just bought an '04 JGC 4.0 to replace my '97 JGC 4.0. After I got
home from the dealer, I started noticing that sometimes when I stop,
as soon as I come to a full and complete stop, I get an extra little
lurch / bump. It's somewhat similar to the "bump stop" described in
TSB 030400, but I don't think that's it...partially because it's an
'04, which isn't covered under that TSB, and partially because it
happens immediately upon stopping, not a few seconds after, and it
never happens when I'm accelerating.

Anybody have any idea what this could be? If it's powertrain-related,
I have a 30-day, 3k mile warranty that will get it fixed, but it would
help to have a good idea what the problem is when I go back to the
dealer, so they don't just tell me it's not any of the powertrain
components, and send me home...

Thanks,
Tom
AJ - 31 Jul 2007 12:29 GMT
I recently had the bump/stop problem fixed on an '04 JGC 4.0/Selectrac I
bought used and so far so good. The TSB summary I saw on the KJ website
applies to V8 models and talks about replacing the driveshaft but it
also contains a Note that on 4.0's the splines should be greased. The
service writer I talked to said it was very common, doesn't hurt
anything, and might come back eventually. They pulled the driveshaft and
greased it in about half an hour. Mine is still under the 3/36 warranty
so I don't know if the powertrain warranty covers it.

Mine would only do it after a delay or on acceleration after very gentle
stops, most of the time it happened as the rear end settled right at the
end of a stop. One way to confirm it's the driveshaft is put it in
neutral before you stop and see if it goes away. The service writer told
me a similar problem is sometimes caused by a bad ball joint between the
upper control arm and the top of the differential.

Also FWIW, there's a TSB on the '05 model that too much grease can
accumulate in the boot and cause a driveshaft imbalance condition,
something to remember if you ever fix it yourself.

> Hi all,
>
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> Thanks,
> Tom
AJ - 31 Jul 2007 12:43 GMT
That should have read "WJ website". The URL is:

http://www.wjjeeps.com/jmenu.htm

> I recently had the bump/stop problem fixed on an '04 JGC 4.0/Selectrac I
> bought used and so far so good. The TSB summary I saw on the KJ website
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
bradley2u@gmail.com - 01 Aug 2007 04:44 GMT
> That should have read "WJ website". The URL is:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I am having the exact same issue on an 05 Wrangler 4.0.  Here is my
little story - took it down to Hoosier National Forest for some off
roading.  next day I noticed my air conditioner wouldn't switch from
blowing all defrost to my feet or face, no changes at all.  I took a
look under the hood and noticed a tube running to the AC was
disconnected from the engine.  I replaced the hose and the AC worked
fine.  The next time I drove the Jeep, I noticed this engine surge.
It happens only at a full stop, and when the engine gets to about 700
or 800 RPM, it quickly jumps to about 1500 and the calms down.  If I
go back under the hood and disconnect that hose again from the engine,
there is no more surge.  Also, if I run the AC on max/recycle air, it
happens, but very very very little, almost would even notice.

I had a 97 Cherokee 4.0 and an 05 GC Hemi - never had any issues with
either of those vehicles.
AJ - 01 Aug 2007 14:18 GMT
> > That should have read "WJ website". The URL is:
> >
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> I had a 97 Cherokee 4.0 and an 05 GC Hemi - never had any issues with
> either of those vehicles.

The bump/stop I was experiencing & mentioned in the TSB feels like
someone ran into you from behind at a stop light and sometimes sounds
like a thump coming from the rear end. There's no rpm surge associated
with it. It's caused by the slip yoke binding, then releasing abruptly
as the rear end of the vehicle settles either at the end of a stop or on
acceleration after a stop. On off the wall guess why older GC's don't do
it would be the WJ's front to rear ride height appears to be higher,
which increases the driveshaft angle at the slip yoke. Either that or
the softer suspension allows more movement, or maybe both.
googlegroups@gersic.com - 25 Aug 2007 22:38 GMT
Hi all,

Just wanted to thank all of you for your help with my "bump stop"
problem. I brought it back to the dealer (it was under a 30-day
warranty), who told me that nothing was wrong, but decided to grease
the rear driveshaft slip yoke splines myself. Fixed the problem.

Thanks much,
Tom

> I recently had the bump/stop problem fixed on an '04 JGC 4.0/Selectrac I
> bought used and so far so good. The TSB summary I saw on the KJ website
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
Dave Milne - 26 Aug 2007 09:01 GMT
thanks for letting us know.

Dave Milne, Scotland

> Hi all,
>
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> > > Thanks,
> > > Tom
twaldron - 26 Aug 2007 23:19 GMT
What type of grease did you use?

tw

> Hi all,
>
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>>>Thanks,
>>>Tom
googlegroups@gersic.com - 27 Aug 2007 02:34 GMT
> What type of grease did you use?

Mobil 1 Synthetic Grease
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 27 Aug 2007 05:05 GMT
Same chassis grease you shoot the rest of a Real Jeep with:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Photos/Literature/Manual/1957ManualLubricationC
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       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> What type of grease did you use?
>
> tw

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googlegroups@gersic.com - 27 Aug 2007 17:16 GMT
On Aug 26, 11:05 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHug...@hughes.net> wrote:
>     Same chassis grease you shoot the rest of a Real Jeep with

Unfortunately there aren't any grease zerks on the driveshaft, so it
was more of a "smear" rather than a "shoot"...
twaldron - 27 Aug 2007 17:36 GMT
> On Aug 26, 11:05 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
> <LWBillHug...@hughes.net> wrote:
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> Unfortunately there aren't any grease zerks on the driveshaft, so it
> was more of a "smear" rather than a "shoot"...

Bill, but I don't see your posts unless someone replies with your
content pasted as done above, partially. Sorry, but that's the way it's
gotta be.

tw
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 27 Aug 2007 23:32 GMT
Then repack them with normal lubrication, every six months, and that
includes other places where Real Jeeps have zerks like you door hinges.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Unfortunately there aren't any grease zerks on the driveshaft, so it
> was more of a "smear" rather than a "shoot"...

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googlegroups@gersic.com - 28 Aug 2007 05:05 GMT
On Aug 27, 5:32 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHug...@hughes.net> wrote:
>     Then repack them with normal lubrication, every six months, and that
> includes other places where Real Jeeps have zerks like you door hinges.

I'm rather hoping I don't have to remove the rear drive shaft every
six months...
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 28 Aug 2007 06:22 GMT
Only if you take it off road, or pull a trailer.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> I'm rather hoping I don't have to remove the rear drive shaft every
> six months...

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twaldron - 28 Aug 2007 14:34 GMT
> I'm rather hoping I don't have to remove the rear drive shaft every
> six months...

That shaft should be a one time lube, or unless you take it off again
for another reason. I was just wondering if you used wheel bearing
grease or general lube grease. General lube would make sense since it's
not a high friction area like a wheel bearing.

My XJ has experienced the same clunky movement on starts and stops
occasionally. I was thinking it might have something to do with the
block lift on the leafs since I've never used them before, but I may be
pulling my DS soon for a shaft lube.

tw
googlegroups@gersic.com - 28 Aug 2007 15:32 GMT
> but I may be
> pulling my DS soon for a shaft lube.

It was a fairly easy job. Mine was held in by 4 bolts at the rear
differential.
twaldron - 28 Aug 2007 16:27 GMT
>>but I may be
>>pulling my DS soon for a shaft lube.
>
> It was a fairly easy job. Mine was held in by 4 bolts at the rear
> differential.

Yup, I just would not have considered lubing the shaft to be the fix to
this movement, but I'd be happy for this to be the fix. Thanks for the
report.

tw
twaldron - 03 Sep 2007 19:22 GMT
As a follow up to a follow up, I tried this procedure and my 'bump' in
the XJ drive train went away. Smooth starts and stops now. Cheap fix,
too.  Thanks everyone.

tw

> Hi all,
>
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>>>Thanks,
>>>Tom
philthy - 09 Sep 2007 21:51 GMT
there was a tsb for a new driveshaft for that same issue

> As a follow up to a follow up, I tried this procedure and my 'bump' in
> the XJ drive train went away. Smooth starts and stops now. Cheap fix,
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> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Tom
 
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