Hi,
I have a '98 XJ with 187k miles on it. Ever since I got it 8 months ago,
the clutch has been hitting the floor when fully depressed. Now, it
often doesn't shift as smoothly as it used to. (Pops out fine, but
doesn't go into next gear as easily.) It's always had a longer clutch
spin down time than other cars I've had, but until now I thought that
might be normal.
The part that seems strange to me, is that it isn't very consistent.
Sometimes, if I take too long moving through neutral, it will make noise
when I put it in reverse. Other times, I can put it in neutral, release
the clutch, press the clutch, wait a few seconds, and put it in neutral
without any noise. So sometimes the clutch will spin down in a few
seconds, and other times it spins up when it should be disengaged.
Any idea what could be causing this?
The fluid reservoir is filled to the top, and has been since I got it.
Another thing is that it is sometimes a bit shaky when starting from a
stop, but it only seems to happen if the engine is spinning slower than
1krpm while engaging the clutch.
Is there anything worth trying that doesn't involve removing the
transmission? Is it worth bleeding the hydraulic system? Everything else
the Haynes manual suggests involves taking appart the clutch, which I
don't think I'm comfortable doing yet.
Thanks,
Ivan
Earle Horton - 07 Aug 2007 00:56 GMT
A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
master and the slave too. If you bleed the hydraulic system it may help
too. I recommend doing the cheapest thing first (bleed the system) when you
don't know what is going on.
The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
symptoms don't sound normal though.
Cheers,
Earle
> Hi,
>
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> Thanks,
> Ivan
RoyJ - 07 Aug 2007 15:40 GMT
What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
slave, bleed the system.
Change the tranny fluid also. If the old tranny fluid is the least bit
milky or green, consider running it the new fluid for a few miles and
then changing it again.
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
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>> Thanks,
>> Ivan
Ivan Jager - 07 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT
How do I check/change the tranny fluid?
Ivan
> What Earl said about the external slave cylinder. Change both master and
> slave, bleed the system.
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Ivan
Ivan Jager - 10 Aug 2007 17:07 GMT
> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
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> The clutch is supposed to hit the floor when fully depressed. The other
> symptoms don't sound normal though.
Do I need to remove the slave cylinder in order to bleed the system? I
was expecting there to be place to attach a hose, and some sort of
valve, but it's just a black plastic cylinder. There's a small bit of
plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
useful.
BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
Ivan
DougW - 10 Aug 2007 18:39 GMT
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed
>> without taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to
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> plastic sticking out the top, but it didn't feel like it was anything
> useful.
that bit should be a zerk fitting.
> BTW, I've never bleed a hydraulic system before.
>
> Ivan
This should get you going.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?referrerid=59358&t=322657

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Will Honea - 10 Aug 2007 19:08 GMT
>> A '98 will have an external slave cylinder, which can be removed without
>> taking out the transmission. It would be a simple matter to replace the
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>
> Ivan
You sure that the slave cylinder isn't aluminum? Anyway, older versions had
a small port just forward of the hose. It was basically a hole with a
screw you loosened off. The last two replacement slaves I've looked at
still had the threaded part but no hole through to the inside so they had
no bleed capability.
With the external slave, there really is no need for a bleed port - the
clutch master has no residual pressure like a brake master and air will
just bubble up the hose. Sounds good, but if the slave has a slant to the
rear (parked uphill) you can get a small bubble trapped in it. On a new
slave, I like to bleed it before I bolt it in. Hold the slave with the rod
down, push the rod all the way into the cylinder. Release slowly. Check
the master for fluid, then repeat 2-3 more times. No more air. Install the
slave and you're done.

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Mike Romain - 07 Aug 2007 16:33 GMT
> Hi,
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> Thanks,
> Ivan
I would first check the tranny fluid out for water or not enough. The
wrong kind of fluid can also affect the syncros.
Jeep didn't put a high water vent line on the tranny like they did for
the T-case and diffs so it is kinda usual to find them full of water and
mud...
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