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effect of brake fluid on pads
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nrs - 09 Aug 2007 14:47 GMT I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When brake pads get wet with brake fluid and are then wiped clean, will they tend to grab more than the ones on the side that did not get wet with brake fluid?
Thanks in advance
aarcuda69062 - 09 Aug 2007 14:58 GMT In article <1186667220.927840.323880@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When > brake pads get wet with brake fluid and are then wiped clean, will > they tend to grab more than the ones on the side that did not get wet > with brake fluid? Yes, true whether it is brake fluid, gear oil or any other contaminant. You should have replaced the brake shoes.
Mike Romain - 09 Aug 2007 15:23 GMT > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance They can sometimes be cleaned and work right. Our car was just like that and the one side got cleaned well with spray brake cleaner.
These brakes grab even after the clean.
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nrs - 09 Aug 2007 15:26 GMT > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance Pads are pretty cheap, I?ll just replace them and see if the problem goes away. Thanks for the help.
Jeff Strickland - 09 Aug 2007 15:54 GMT > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance Pads are pretty cheap, I´ll just replace them and see if the problem goes away. Thanks for the help.
You will need to replace all 4 shoes (pads are on disc brakes, shoes are on drum brakes), and you will want to make sure they are adjusted the same on both sides. You are describing a case where one side is adjusted tight and the other is adjusted loose.
Brake fluid on the shoes is not good. If you were installing new shoes and spilled some fluid, then you could clean it off and move on, but if you had a wheel cylinder let go and the brakes were soaked in fluid, you should replace the affected parts. Since you should always do brakes in axle-sets then you need to replace parts that may not be directly affected by the leak ...
nrs - 09 Aug 2007 16:20 GMT > > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > then you need to replace parts that may not be directly affected by the leak > ... Thanks for the additional information. Actually, the shoes never got soaked (not a big leak), they just got a little fluid on them so I just wiped them off. I also thought it was just an adjustment problem and loosened up the side where the leak was but it still skids on that side.
So would the overall recommendation be to clean up the affected shoes with brake parts cleaner (not just wipe off) and then adjust both sides evenly before replacing shoes (all 4 of course)?
Thanks
SnoMan - 09 Aug 2007 18:39 GMT >> > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was >> > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Thanks The problem with brake fluid on pads is that brake fluid is based on glycol and most cleaners will not remeove it properly. "If" I was going to try to clean them I would try alchol as it can bind with glycol. Alchol should have no negative effect on pads soaked in them once it dries but I would just bite the bullet and change them. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
Dave Milne - 11 Aug 2007 22:11 GMT I agree that replacement is the best idea. I wouldn't try to clean them by soaking them in a solvent as the material is stuck onto the metal with glue. When brake shoes were rivetted and made out of asbestos, I used to paint the spillage with petrol then set fire to them - the flame burnt off the brake fluid. Wouldn't try that now either.
Dave Milne, Scotland
> The problem with brake fluid on pads is that brake fluid is based on > glycol and most cleaners will not remeove it properly. "If" I was > going to try to clean them I would try alchol as it can bind with > glycol. Alchol should have no negative effect on pads soaked in them > once it dries but I would just bite the bullet and change them. Mike Romain - 09 Aug 2007 18:56 GMT >>> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was >>> leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Thanks The mechanic that was inspecting and repairing for safety cert the car I bought used the spray brake cleaner on it. One side was seriously saturated. 'I' would have replaced them, myself, but he said it would work OK. It has worked perfect with even braking since.
I think I would also be opening them up to make sure all the parts are in the right place, maybe something slipped.
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nrs - 09 Aug 2007 20:04 GMT > > "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'll clean them, check for parts out of place and adjust. A little less work and cheaper than changing the shoes and it may work out. Thanks again.
Will Honea - 10 Aug 2007 07:28 GMT > Thanks for the additional information. Actually, the shoes never got > soaked (not a big leak), they just got a little fluid on them so I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with brake parts cleaner (not just wipe off) and then adjust both > sides evenly before replacing shoes (all 4 of course)? For the amount of work and time it takes to pull the drum, adjust the shoes and parking brake I'd say it's cheaper - and more certain - to just replace the shoes.
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 09 Aug 2007 23:09 GMT Just your fingerprints will screw up brake pads and shoes. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance
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c - 09 Aug 2007 23:23 GMT > Just your fingerprints will screw up maxi-pads and ballet shoes. So I've heard, so I've heard.
But only from you.
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> So I've heard, so I've heard. > > But only from you.
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24Bit® - 10 Aug 2007 04:02 GMT On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:12:01 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
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A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of:
1. a grandiose sense of self-importance 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. requires excessive admiration 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Recipe for a Psychopath:
Emotional & Interpersonal Glib & Superficial Egocentric & Grandiose Lack of Remorse or Guilt Lack of Empathy Deceitful & Manipulative Shallow Emotions Social Deviance Impulsive Poor Behavior Controls Need for Excitement Lack of Responsibility Early Behavior Problems Adult Antisocial Behavior
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 10 Aug 2007 06:34 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the > diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III
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Jeff DeWitt - 10 Aug 2007 02:48 GMT There is an old trick in dealing with shoes that have been soaked in brake fluid, and that is to burn it off. I was taught this trick in an auto mechanics class more years ago than I care to think about.
DON'T DO IT!
It MIGHT be OK with riveted shoes, but with bonded shoes it can cause the bond between the show and the lining to fail, I had this happen a while back.
Sometimes the old tricks are a really bad idea!
Jeff DeWitt
> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance DougW - 10 Aug 2007 07:59 GMT > There is an old trick in dealing with shoes that have been soaked in > brake fluid, and that is to burn it off. I was taught this trick in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sometimes the old tricks are a really bad idea! Seconded, in spades! Cooking off contamination is not acceptable procdure any more. It's safer to just put on a new set of pads and no brake shop worth a damn will suggest anything else. If they do, run.
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 10 Aug 2007 08:06 GMT It sure worked great on my old Harley clutches. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/36harley.jpg
> Seconded, in spades! Cooking off contamination is > not acceptable procdure any more. It's safer to just > put on a new set of pads and no brake shop worth a damn > will suggest anything else. If they do, run.
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Pink Freud - 10 Aug 2007 08:26 GMT > It sure worked great on my old Everything was great in the old days, wasn't it?
Too bad you're still living there.
Alone.
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 10 Aug 2007 08:22 GMT This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man. That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic psychopath forged up names? You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraphs it fits so well! But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca, security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net for forgery. Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy posted on an auto picture group at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements, but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so keep the f*ck out! Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you, aka SW really is!!!!! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Everything was great in the old days, wasn't it? > > Too bad you're still living there. > > Alone.
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nrs - 10 Aug 2007 21:52 GMT > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance Thanks for all the replies. There is a nearby shop offering $35 brake jobs (good place, owner is my wife's uncle). I might just go for that and be done with it.
RSMuddog - 11 Aug 2007 01:24 GMT why not just spill a little fluid on the other side and call it even?
>> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was >> leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >jobs (good place, owner is my wife's uncle). I might just go for that >and be done with it. nrs - 13 Aug 2007 14:58 GMT > why not just spill a little fluid on the other side and call it even? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Message posted via CarKB.comhttp://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200708/1 I thought about it... :)
DougW - 11 Aug 2007 02:46 GMT >> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was >> leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > jobs (good place, owner is my wife's uncle). I might just go for that > and be done with it. For that price your getting a good value, especially if you know the shop.
I do my own work after fixing one to many midas screwups.
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nrs - 13 Aug 2007 14:54 GMT On Aug 10, 8:46 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address> wrote:
> >> I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > >> leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > DougW I agree about midas, just causes more trouble.
nrs - 13 Aug 2007 14:56 GMT > I recently had to replace my rear wheel cylinders because one was > leaking and now one of my rear wheels locks up before the other. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks in advance Here is a follow up. Decided to just clean up the shoes on the skidding side. It worked, now it skids on the other side but not as easily. As soon as I get a chance I'll clean up the other side which I know I left a bit contaminated as well. Thanks again for the advice.
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