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XS11E - 15 Aug 2007 22:45 GMT
   
Once again my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited failed it's annual
emission test (in spite of me staying up all night studying!)

As usual, The HC reading was low, the CO reading was low, the Catalytic
passed, the PCV system passed so what failed?  

As usual, the @#$^%&^*#%@ GAS CAP!

Am I going to have to buy a new gas cap every year?  What's up with
that?

Anyone know of a long lasting gas cap?  WTF makes 'em go bad?

Gas caps are fairly cheap but the drive to an emissions station plus
the long wait in line are not cheap or enjoyable, one a year is MORE
than enough and now I have to do it again.....

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Mike Romain - 15 Aug 2007 23:09 GMT
I think road dust kills them or the machine's parameters are wrong.  I
go to legit places for emissions and have seen most of them with their
'own' gas cap permanently hooked to that machine line for some reason.

If an inspector showed up, there would be trouble 'if' that was a
problem because inspectors do show up and it is widespread from what I
have seen.

Other than that, just buy the cheapies.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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>        
> Once again my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited failed it's annual
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the long wait in line are not cheap or enjoyable, one a year is MORE
> than enough and now I have to do it again.....
XS11E - 15 Aug 2007 23:43 GMT
> I think road dust kills them or the machine's parameters are
> wrong.  I go to legit places for emissions and have seen most of
> them with their 'own' gas cap permanently hooked to that machine
> line for some reason.

We have state emission stations, they don't fudge because they have no
reason to do so.  They don't do repairs, sell parts, etc. and are not
allowed to recommend anyone who does.  

The public are not the customers, the state is.

That keeps 'em honest and eliminates public protest.  

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Lon - 16 Aug 2007 03:27 GMT
XS11E proclaimed:

>>I think road dust kills them or the machine's parameters are
>>wrong.  I go to legit places for emissions and have seen most of
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> That keeps 'em honest and eliminates public protest.  

Does your state test the gas cap on the vehicle or do they take the cap
off and put it on a test rig?

The question is whether your fuel inlet piping might be leaking and
causing a failure or if it is just the cheap crap used for caps.

The gasket on mine resembles a hard piece of plastic more than a useful
gasket that might actually form a good pressure seal like a soft
artificial rubber might.  Tiniest amount of anything on it and it will
fail.   Wonder what the markup is on new caps?
XS11E - 16 Aug 2007 06:42 GMT
> Does your state test the gas cap on the vehicle or do they take
> the cap off and put it on a test rig?

It's off, on a test rig.

> The question is whether your fuel inlet piping might be leaking
> and causing a failure or if it is just the cheap crap used for
> caps.

Inlet pipe can't be leaking, that's tested also.

> The gasket on mine resembles a hard piece of plastic more than a
> useful gasket that might actually form a good pressure seal like a
> soft artificial rubber might.  Tiniest amount of anything on it
> and it will fail.   Wonder what the markup is on new caps?

Don't know.  I'll get a new one tomorrow and take the old one apart if
possible to see what's gone bad.  Last year, I was able to actually
blow backwards through the cap so I know it was bad, the new cap
wouldn't allow any thing through so it was good then and died in almost
exactly 12 months.  That doesn't seem right, somehow.

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XS11E - 17 Aug 2007 03:45 GMT
> I'll get a new one tomorrow and take the old one apart if possible
> to see what's gone bad.

Got new cap, ran through test again, passed fine.

I did take the old cap apart, it wasn't hard to do.  The little
neoprene seal button (I don't know what to call it?) was loaded with
lint, grit, etc.  I guess it sucked all that in when letting air in to
the tank as it emptied?  Maybe some kind of a filter thingy around the
cap would help or maybe I'll just have to buy a cap every year?

Problem is that the 1993 cap was good until 2006 but I don't know when
they started testing caps, may have been just a year or so back???

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DougW - 17 Aug 2007 03:59 GMT
>> I'll get a new one tomorrow and take the old one apart if possible
>> to see what's gone bad.
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> Problem is that the 1993 cap was good until 2006 but I don't know when
> they started testing caps, may have been just a year or so back???

They used to do emissions around here, but gave up on those and vehicle
inspections. :/  You should see some of the turdmobiles running around.

As to your cap.  Yep, just clean the crud out of it and it should be fine.
The cap is doing what it should, letting some air in as the tank empties
yet sealing and making any excess pressure go into the engine (or the
evaporative canister when the engine is off).  Over time the rubber gets
less flexible.

I'd keep the new cap in a baggie for the next emissions test.

The problem with some aftermarket locking type caps is they seal too well
and will cause enough vac in the tank to affect fuel pressure.

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XS11E - 17 Aug 2007 05:27 GMT
>> I did take the old cap apart, it wasn't hard to do.  The little
>> neoprene seal button (I don't know what to call it?) was loaded
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> when they started testing caps, may have been just a year or so
>> back???

> As to your cap.  Yep, just clean the crud out of it and it should
> be fine.

Errr.... read the above carefully!  Note where I said, "I did take the
old cap apart"?  Note where I said, "I put the old cap back together"?  
Can't find that, can you? <BSEG>  

The spring sproings parts out faster than these arthritic hands can
grab them!  I did get it back together but I'm not sure it's right and
it still won't hold pressure so it's still got crud in it or it's mis-
assembled or it's being DELIBERATELY ANNOYING!

Probably all three.  Next year, I'll buy a new cap, put it on for the
test and then switch when I leave the emission station but you don't
know how bad I feel knowing I'd be allowing gasoline vapor into the
atmosphere and hastening the destruction of Life, the Universe and
Everything by .03 msec.....

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El Maximo - 17 Aug 2007 10:22 GMT
> Got new cap, ran through test again, passed fine.

Put the old cap back on, and put the new cap away until next year.
DougW - 15 Aug 2007 23:14 GMT
> Once again my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited failed it's annual
> emission test (in spite of me staying up all night studying!)
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> the long wait in line are not cheap or enjoyable, one a year is MORE
> than enough and now I have to do it again.....

Don't use aftermarket caps, they all leak.  OEM is worth the price.
It's the seals that go.  Thing is I don't know if they still have
the same version or not. :/  Guess you could always keep a spare for
use when they do th eemissions test. :)

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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 15 Aug 2007 23:29 GMT
I keep my new gas cap in the garage to use every two years:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/gasCap.jpg They're just like your wiper
blades. My Bronco's last inspection:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/smog07.jpg What are your specs?
   Always get the car up to full operating temperature, at least twenty
minutes at traffic speed, to enable the catalytic converter to maintain
sixteen hundred degrees to completely reburn all your stuff.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com

> Once again my 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited failed it's annual
> emission test (in spite of me staying up all night studying!)
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> the long wait in line are not cheap or enjoyable, one a year is MORE
> than enough and now I have to do it again.....

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24Bit® - 16 Aug 2007 01:51 GMT
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:29:04 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

Brain Dead Psychopath!

>    I keep my new gas cap in the garage to use every two years:
Sounds like a criminal act just to pass the test! Guess your parents
taught you that too!
>http://www.billhughes.com/temp/gasCap.jpg They're just like your wiper
>blades. My Bronco's last inspection:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Snip:

Recipe for a Psychopath:

Emotional & Interpersonal
Glib & Superficial
Egocentric & Grandiose
Lack of Remorse or Guilt
Lack of Empathy
Deceitful & Manipulative
Shallow Emotions
Social Deviance
Impulsive
Poor Behavior Controls
Need for Excitement
Lack of Responsibility
Early Behavior Problems
Adult Antisocial Behavior

This is your life,

L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 16 Aug 2007 02:41 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less any Vietnam, as
you suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:29:04 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
> Brain Dead Psychopath!
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III

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Pink Freud - 16 Aug 2007 03:23 GMT
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:41:47 -0700, Norman (Psycho) Bates III wrote:

> If you think I'm a Psycho,

Billie, do /you/ even doubt it?

I think not; you're capitalizing the word like it's your name. Maybe
that's just a sort of Pink Freudian Slip?

Nah, Cooyon ol' bud, psycho you be and psycho you will remain. You know it
and so does everyone else; you just like pretending you don't. Just like
all the other role-playing games you indulge in.

Superman has already had his day, and we've moved on far, far past you.

> then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department.

Cute, but it don't work like that, not at all.

Truthfully, you really should do a little research on the points I
mentioned before, otherwise you're going to get blindsided. And you'll
just sit there in your strait-jacket, too sedated to try to get it off
(which is easy, BTW. I'll sell you the technique if you want.), and
wondering what the hell happened.

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades,
While you play games with your Minuet Maids.

"You know you don't have to act, Billie. You don't have to say anything,
and you don't have to do anything. Not a thing. Oh, maybe just whistle.
You know how to whistle, don't you, Billie? You just put your lips
together and... blow."

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> > Reported to: internet.help@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca,
internet.abuse@sjrb.ca

> And they are very tired of you.

Message-ID: <464119a9$0$16368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

Yes, there's a bitch that replies to me, kinda telling me the
problem's with the Canadian Shaw's personnel. But prescience pays off and
long as you violate the groups charter, or just Usenet's common decency,
I'll be there to report you. You being a traitor is a especial incentive.
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 16 Aug 2007 03:29 GMT
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole
you, aka SW really is!!!!!
    Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
and find out. Call it you little wimp, you need help and that's the way
you'll get!
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Billie, do /you/ even doubt it?
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> You know how to whistle, don't you, Billie? You just put your lips
> together and... blow."

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Pink Freud - 16 Aug 2007 03:43 GMT
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

heh
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 16 Aug 2007 05:47 GMT
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole
you, aka SW really is!!!!!
    Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
and find out.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> heh

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24Bit® - 16 Aug 2007 05:19 GMT
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:41:47 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

The Statement Still Stands: GOOFY AZZED BABBOON BILL HUGHES!

>     There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>>
>> L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III

Recipe for a Psychopath:

Emotional & Interpersonal
Glib & Superficial
Egocentric & Grandiose
Lack of Remorse or Guilt
Lack of Empathy
Deceitful & Manipulative
Shallow Emotions
Social Deviance
Impulsive
Poor Behavior Controls
Need for Excitement
Lack of Responsibility
Early Behavior Problems
Adult Antisocial Behavior

This is your life,

L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 16 Aug 2007 05:40 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less any Vietnam, as
you suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> The Statement Still Stands: GOOFY AZZED BABBOON BILL HUGHES!
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III

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Satin Fairbush - 17 Aug 2007 05:52 GMT
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:40:38 -0700, L.W. (Llew Wu Sue) Hughes II wrote:

> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
> man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
> I know of?????

Oh, Bill, I would dare say anyone that knows anything whatsoever about you
would believe 24Bit in an instant.

And of course, the fact that "fools' names, like fools' faces, often
appear in public places" doesn't help your credibility any either.

Really.

\Satin/
  F
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 17 Aug 2007 20:52 GMT
This from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous, really jealous, I
can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic
psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net
24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's only way to get attention is to make
a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary
school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on
responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats,
where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other
perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California
surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family. Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole
you, aka SW really is!!!!!
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Oh, Bill, I would dare say anyone that knows anything whatsoever about you
> would believe 24Bit in an instant.
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> \Satin/
>    F

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