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Arold "Al" Green - 17 Sep 2007 19:05 GMT
Hi,
I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
still with the paperwork and it says it has a 15 gallon tank.  Is this
accurate?  I had assumed the tank would be cloer to 20 gallon.
Thanks,
Al
__
Arold "Al" Green
Mike Romain - 17 Sep 2007 19:20 GMT
> Hi,
> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> __
> Arold "Al" Green

It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they
just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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SnoMan - 17 Sep 2007 19:48 GMT
>It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they
>just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.

Actually if you really knew anything you would know that 15 gallons is
standard and there was a option for a 20 gallon tank.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
c - 17 Sep 2007 20:07 GMT
>> It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they
>> just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

Oh really?
http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/15to20gal.html
Heatwave - 18 Sep 2007 02:21 GMT
> >It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they
> >just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> -----------------
> TheYellowSnoMan.com

What did he say that was wrong and that would warrant such a
condescending response? Not only that but there was nothing relevant or
contributary in your post. You're really reaching far to insult others
aren't you? Pathetic...
matthewf_boi@yahoo.com - 20 Sep 2007 04:42 GMT
> > >It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they
> > >just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.

> Actually if you really knew anything you would know that 15 gallons is
> standard and there was a option for a 20 gallon tank.

> What did he say that was wrong and that would warrant such a
> condescending response? Not only that but there was nothing relevant or
> contributary in your post. You're really reaching far to insult others
> aren't you? Pathetic...

Snowman seems to stalk MikeR and always try to point out anything he
doesn't agree with.
His posts always seem to be right after Mikes.

Recently he said
"BTW, if you want to restart this fued I will tear you a new one ...
Your little more than a BSing troll with abig EGO problem.
TheSnoMan.com"

Clearly, to most of us, MikeR is more than a BSing troll...  :-)

But when he talks smack about something like this gas tank capacity
issue, and is proven wrong again,
he doesn't post back.  Huh, I wonder why?

Matthew
'82 Cj-7
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 17 Sep 2007 20:30 GMT
http://www.gottrail.com/TJ/TJfueltankconversion.html
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Hi,
> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> __
> Arold "Al" Green

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nrs - 17 Sep 2007 20:44 GMT
On Sep 17, 1:05 pm, "Arold \"Al\" Green" <aro...@spamlessmchsi.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> __
> Arold "Al" Green

Both the TJ and later YJ tanks can be converted to 20 gallons by
trimming the vent tube.  The only problem is that your gauge will read
full until the last 15 gallons start being used.
Mike Romain - 17 Sep 2007 21:20 GMT
> On Sep 17, 1:05 pm, "Arold \"Al\" Green" <aro...@spamlessmchsi.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> trimming the vent tube.  The only problem is that your gauge will read
> full until the last 15 gallons start being used.

So they faked out some of the early TJ's too?  I thought I remembered
something about that.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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griffin - 19 Sep 2007 02:41 GMT
Ya mine is like that and it's quite deceptive in the sense that for the
first 100km, I feel like I'm driving an aerodynamic hybrid. Then once it's
back on the 15gallon reading I realize I'm back to driving a cinder block on
rollerskates.

But for awhile I feel like I'm a champ!

> So they faked out some of the early TJ's too?  I thought I remembered
> something about that.
Mike Romain - 17 Sep 2007 21:57 GMT
> Hi,
> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> __
> Arold "Al" Green

I was just reading around and found out you have a 19 gallon tank in
your 98 TJ.

If the sticker says it is a 15 gallon tank, they put a float ball
stopper in the fill tube so it shuts off at 15, but the tank is the same.

You can drop the tank and remove this ball by trimming the tube back.

Here is a link with directions about halfway down:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453329

You then would need the 19 gallon sender or just realize your gauge just
reads the bottom 3/4 of the tank.  I have had cars like that...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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Jeff DeWitt - 18 Sep 2007 01:56 GMT
>> Hi,
>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> If the sticker says it is a 15 gallon tank, they put a float ball
> stopper in the fill tube so it shuts off at 15, but the tank is the same.

Why on Earth would they do something like that?  You usually know what
your talking about and I'm not disputing you, it just sounds like a
really stupid thing to do... so if they really did do it I'm sure it was
to meet some goofy government regulation.

Jeff DeWitt

> You can drop the tank and remove this ball by trimming the tube back.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
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c - 18 Sep 2007 02:37 GMT
>>> Hi,
>>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Jeff DeWitt

I can't imagine why they would do that either, unless it was to make
some easy money on people ordering the upgrade to the 20 gallon tank.
There are sites all over the net on how to do the fix though.

Chris
Tracie - 18 Sep 2007 04:37 GMT
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

They must've changed the spec sheets in later years, 'cause I have a
2006 Wrangler X and my spec sheet does say 19 gallons.  However, the
manual states that when the 'low gas, dummy' light comes on, you have
approximately 2 gallons of gas left.  I have intentionally travelled
as far as I have dared around my town with this light on (never more
than walking distance from a gas station if it quit), and even when I
fill it, I have never been able to put more than 17.5 gallons in it.
So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not
really a 19 gallon tank.
c - 18 Sep 2007 04:51 GMT
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not
> really a 19 gallon tank.

It may be a different tank as compared to the earlier TJs. Most fuel
gages don't read as accurate as we'd like to think. My truck can run
well below empty for quite a while, but I have pushed it too far a
couple times and ended up walking a short distance.

Chris
noneofyourbusiness - 18 Sep 2007 13:20 GMT
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not
>really a 19 gallon tank.

I've let the needle actually cross over onto the idiot light before
refeuling, but it's risky ;-)
Usually, when I refuel anywhere between the last line and the light, I
can only get to within 2 gallons of max.

(95 XJ Auto 4x4)

...
Mike Romain - 18 Sep 2007 14:55 GMT
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder.  The dealer window sticker was
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not
> really a 19 gallon tank.

I always take any 'new' to me vehicle I buy and put a full gas can on
board 'planning' to run out of gas.

I do this on a specific run so I don't have any surprises.

I mark the odometer when the light come on, then I mark it a second time
when the gauge is 'exactly' on the E line, then again when the needle
stops moving if I can notice that.

I then drive until it sputters, pull over and put gas in from the can to
get to a gas station.

This lets me know exactly how many miles I have left at the bottom parts
of the gauge.

Some vehicles have given up to 70 miles after the gauge read E, others
like my CJ7 are 'out' of gas when it hits E.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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FrankW - 18 Sep 2007 16:22 GMT
LOL
I always whenever possible take heed of the advice
the old farmer I used to work for gave me.

"Keep the top half full, the bottom half will never go dry"

Every winter when we're out snowmobiling in Quebec
Gas stations are far and between, riding those gas guzzelers
(My 4.0litre Rubie gets better mileage than my little 0.5litre sled)
we NEVER pass up a gas staion. Even if it's down a quarter tank

Nothing like that nervous feeling, when you're not quite sure where you
are, It's -20C out, soon to be dark and you only got a 1/8 tank left

:-)

> I always take any 'new' to me vehicle I buy and put a full gas can on
> board 'planning' to run out of gas.
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 18 Sep 2007 21:32 GMT
It uses the same amount off the top as the bottom, and you won't have as
much air to condensate water.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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> LOL
> I always whenever possible take heed of the advice
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> :-)

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Frank_v7.0 - 19 Sep 2007 01:16 GMT
> LOL
> I always whenever possible take heed of the advice
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As I recall from my snowmobiling days in Northern Vermont and side trips
to Quebec we never passed a gas station or a bar. :-)

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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 02:37 GMT
That be a cafe racer in my old Harley days.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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> As I recall from my snowmobiling days in Northern Vermont and side trips
> to Quebec we never passed a gas station or a bar. :-)

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24Bit® - 19 Sep 2007 06:37 GMT
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:37:59 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

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>    That be a cafe racer in my old Harley days.
>         Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

You will just lie to anyone who will listen, you only had one girlie
Sportster, and a junker three wheeler, what a LIAR!
You wouldn't know what a Harley day was if it grabbed your balls.
And if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.

>> As I recall from my snowmobiling days in Northern Vermont and side trips
>> to Quebec we never passed a gas station or a bar. :-)
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 07:30 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
   You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
   I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
   I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or
LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> You will just lie to anyone who will listen, you only had one girlie
> Sportster, and a junker three wheeler, what a LIAR!
> You wouldn't know what a Harley day was if it grabbed your balls.
> And if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.

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24Bit® - 19 Sep 2007 10:23 GMT
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:30:03 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

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>     There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>> You wouldn't know what a Harley day was if it grabbed your balls.
>> And if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.

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The Psychopathy Checklist lets us discuss psychopaths with little
risk that we are describing simple social deviance or criminality, or
that we are mislabeling people who have nothing more in common than
that they have broken the law. But it also provides a detailed picture
of the disordered personalities of the psychopaths among us. In this
chapter and the next, I bring that picture into focus by describing
the more salient features one by one. This chapter looks at the
emotional and interpersonal traits of this complex personality
disorder; chapter 4 examines the unstable, characteristically
antisocial lifestyle of the psychopath.

Emotional/Interpersonal
glib and superficial
egocentric and grandiose
lack of remorse or guilt
lack of empathy
deceitful and manipulative
shallow emotions
Social Deviance
impulsive
poor behavior controls
need for excitement
lack of responsibility
early behavior problems
adult antisocial behavior


A cautionary note: The Psychopathy Checklist is a complex clinical
tool for professional use.[1] What follows is a general summary of the
key traits and behaviors of psychopaths. Do not use these symptoms to
diagnose yourself or others. A diagnosis requires explicit training
and access to the formal scoring manual. If you suspect that someone
you know conforms to the profile described here and in the next
chapter, and if it is important to you to obtain an expert opinion,
seek the services of a qualified (registered) forensic psychologist or
psychiatrist.
Also, be aware that people who are not psychopaths may have some of
the symptoms described here. Many people are impulsive, or glib, or
cold and unfeeling, or antisocial, but this does not mean they are
psychopaths. Psychopathy is a syndrome--a cluster of related symptoms.

Psychopaths are often witty and articulate. They can be amusing and
entertaining conversationalists, ready with a quick and clever
comeback, and can tell unlikely but convincing stories that cast
themselves in a good light. They can be very effective in presenting
themselves well and are often very likable and charming. To some
people, however, they seem too slick and smooth, too obviously
insincere and superficial. Astute observers often get the impression
that psychopaths are play-acting, mechanically "reading their lines."

One of my raters described an interview she did with a prisoner: "I
sat down and took out my clipboard, and the first thing this guy told
me was what beautiful eyes I had. He managed to work quite a few
compliments on my appearance into the interview -- couldn't get over
my hair. So by the time I wrapped things up I was feeling
unusually...well, pretty. I'm a wary person, especially on the job,
and can usually spot a phony. When I got back outside, I couldn't
believe I'd fallen for a line like that."

Psychopaths may ramble and tell stories that seem unlikely in light of
what is known about them. Typically, they attempt to appear familiar
with sociology, psychiatry, medicine, psychology, philosophy, poetry,
literature, art, or law. A signpost to this trait is often a smooth
lack of concern at being found out. One of our prison files describes
a psychopathic inmate claiming to have advanced degrees in sociology
and psychology, when in fact he did not even complete high school. He
maintained the fiction during an interview with one of my students, a
Ph.D. candidate in psychology; she commented that the inmate was so
confident in his use of technical jargon and concepts that those not
familiar with the field of psychology might well have been impressed.
Variations on this sort of "expert" theme are common among
psychopaths....

Psychopaths have a narcissistic and grossly inflated view of their
self-worth and importance, a truly astounding egocentricity and sense
of entitlement, and see themselves as the center of the universe, as
superior beings who are justified in living according to their own
rules. "It's not that I don't follow the law," said one of our
subjects. "I follow my own laws. I never violate my own rules." She
then described these rules in terms of "looking out for number one."

When another psychopath, in prison for a variety of crimes including
robbery, rape, and fraud, was asked if he had any weaknesses, he
replied, "I don't have any weaknesses, except maybe I'm too caring."
On a 10-point scale he rated himself "an all-round 10. I would have
said 12, but that would be bragging. If I had a better education I'd
be brilliant."

The grandiosity and pomposity of some psychopaths often emerges in
dramatic fashion in the courtroom. For example, it is not unusual for
them to criticize or fire their lawyers and to take over their own
defense, usually with disastrous results. "My partner got a year. I
got two because of a shithead lawyer," said one of our subjects. He
later handled his own appeal and saw his sentence increased to three
years.

Psychopaths often come across as arrogant, shameless braggarts --
self-assured, opinionated, domineering, and cocky. They love to have
power and control over others and seem unable to believe that other
people have valid opinions different from theirs. They appear
charismatic or "electrifying" to some people.

Psychopaths are seldom embarrassed about their legal, financial, or
personal problems. Rather, they see them as temporary setbacks, the
results of bad luck, unfaithful friends, or an unfair and incompetent
system.

Although psychopaths often claim to have specific goals, they show
little understanding of the qualifications required -- they have no
idea how to achieve their goals and little or no chance of attaining
them, given their track record and lack of sustained interest in
education. The psychopathic inmate thinking about parole might outline
vague plans to become a property tycoon or a lawyer for the poor. One
inmate, not particularly literate, managed to copyright the title of a
book he was planning to write about himself and was already counting
the fortune his bestseller would bring....

Psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern for the devastating
effects their actions have on others. Often they are completely
forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they have no sense of
guilt, are not sorry for the pain and destruction they have caused,
and that there is no reason for them to be concerned.

When asked if he had any regrets about stabbing a robbery victim who
subsequently spent three months in the hospital as a result of his
wounds, one of our subjects replied, "Get real! He spends a few months
in a hospital and I rot here. I cut him up a bit, but if I wanted to
kill him I would have slit his throat. That's the kind of guy I am; I
gave him a break." Asked if he regretted any of his crimes, he said,
"I don't regret nothing. What's done is done. There must have been a
reason why I did it at the time, and that is why it was done...."

On the other hand, psychopaths sometimes verbalize remorse but then
contradict themselves in words or actions. Criminals in prison quickly
learn that remorse is an important word. When asked if he experienced
remorse over a murder he'd committed, one young inmate told us, "Yeah,
sure, I feel remorse." Pressed further, he said that he didn't "feel
bad inside about it."

I was once dumbfounded by the logic of an inmate who described his
murder victim as having benefited from the crime by learning "a hard
lesson about life."

"The guy only had himself to blame," another inmate said of the man
he'd murdered in an argument about paying a bar tab. "Anybody could
have seen I was in a rotten mood that night. What did he want to go
and bother me for?" He continued, "Anyway, the guy never suffered.
Knife wounds to an artery are the easiest way to go."

Psychopaths' lack of remorse or guilt is associated with a remarkable
ability to rationalize their behavior and to shrug off personal
responsibility for actions that cause shock and disappointment to
family, friends, associates, and others who have played by the rules.
Usually they have handy excuses for their behavior, and in some cases
they deny that it happened at all....

Many of the characteristics displayed by psychopaths -- especially
their egocentricity, lack of remorse, shallow emotions, and
deceitfulness are closely associated with a profound lack of empathy
(an inability to construct a mental and emotional "facsimile" of
another person). They seem unable to "get into the skin" or to "walk
in the shoes" of others, except in a purely intellectual sense. The
feelings of other people are of no concern to psychopaths.

In some respects they are like the emotionless androids depicted in
science fiction, unable to imagine what real humans experience. One
rapist, high on the Psychopathy Checklist, commented that he found it
hard to empathize with his victims. "They are frightened, right? But,
you see, I don't really understand it. I've been scared myself, and it
wasn't unpleasant."

Psychopaths view people as little more than objects to be used for
their own gratification. The weak and the vulnerable -- whom they
mock, rather than pity--are favorite targets. "There is no such thing,
in the psychopathic universe, as the merely weak," wrote psychologist
Robert Rieber. "Whoever is weak is also a sucker; that is, someone who
demands to be exploited....

Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for
psychopaths.

With their powers of imagination in gear and focused on themselves,
psychopaths appear amazingly unfazed by the possibility -- or even by
the certainty -- of being found out. When caught in a lie or
challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed --
they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so
that they appear to be consistent with the lie. The results are a
series of contradictory statements and a thoroughly confused listener.
Much of the lying seems to have no motivation other than what
psychologist Paul Ekman refers to as a "duping delight....

Psychopaths seem proud of their ability to lie. When asked if she lied
easily, one woman with a high score on the Psychopathy Checklist
laughed and replied, "I'm the best. I'm really good at it, I think
because I sometimes admit to something bad about myself. They'd think,
well, if she's admitting to that she must be telling the truth about
the rest." She also said that she sometimes "salts the mine" with a
nugget of truth." If they think some of what you say is true, they
usually think it's all true."

Many observers get the impression that psychopaths sometimes are
unaware that they're lying; it is as if the words take on a life of
their own, unfettered by the speaker's knowledge that the observer is
aware of the facts. The psychopath's indifference to being identified
as a liar is truly extraordinary; it causes the listener to wonder
about the speaker's sanity. More often, though, the listener is taken
in....

"I'm the most cold-blooded son of a bitch that you'll ever meet. So
Ted Bundy described himself to the police following his final arrest.

Psychopaths seem to suffer a kind of emotional poverty that limits the
range and depth of their feelings. While at times they appear cold and
unemotional, they are prone to dramatic, shallow, and short-lived
displays of feeling. Careful observers are left with the impression
that they are play-acting and that little is going on below the
surface.

Sometimes they claim to experience strong emotions but are unable to
describe the subtleties of various affective states. For example, they
equate love with sexual arousal, sadness with frustration, and anger
with irritability. "I believe in emotions: hate, anger, lust, and
greed," said Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker....

The apparent lack of normal affect and emotional depth led
psychologists J. H. Johns and H. C. Quay to say that the psychopath
"knows the words but not the music.For example, in a rambling book
about hate, violence, and rationalizations for his behavior, Jack
Abbott made this revealing comment: "There are emotions -- a whole
spectrum of them -- that I know only through words, through reading
and in my immature imagination. I can imagine I feel these emotions
(know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I
am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 21:53 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
   You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
   I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
   I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or
LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

>  The Psychopathy Checklist lets us discuss psychopaths with little
> risk that we are describing simple social deviance or criminality, or
[quoted text clipped - 228 lines]
> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I
> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:08 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the
diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and
self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with
narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and
inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and
pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the
achievements and accomplishments of others.

Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or
experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or
aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem
to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate
or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being
affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same
people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic
personality disorder.

Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the
narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them
(usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and
paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they
are vilifying.

Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration,
fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of
superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of
sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected
manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to
receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around
them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the
purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special
privileges and squandering extra resources also feature.

People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty
recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive,
contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns
or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their
behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of
reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded
recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude,
and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and
expectations are not met.

The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder
are:

A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of
empathy, as indicated by at least five of:

1. a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by,
or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or
institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of
especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or
her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes

>     There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
[quoted text clipped - 289 lines]
>> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I
>> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:18 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
   You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
   I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
   I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or
LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
   Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
   The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord
Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Narcissistic Personality Disorder
>
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> him or her
> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes

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24Bit® - 21 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:08 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the
diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and
self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with
narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and
inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and
pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the
achievements and accomplishments of others.

Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or
experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or
aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem
to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate
or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being
affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same
people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic
personality disorder.

Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the
narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them
(usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and
paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they
are vilifying.

Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration,
fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of
superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of
sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected
manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to
receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around
them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the
purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special
privileges and squandering extra resources also feature.

People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty
recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive,
contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns
or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their
behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of
reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded
recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude,
and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and
expectations are not met.

The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder
are:

A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of
empathy, as indicated by at least five of:

1. a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by,
or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or
institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of
especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or
her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes

>     There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
[quoted text clipped - 289 lines]
>> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I
>> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:18 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
   You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
   I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
   I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or
LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
   Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
   The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord
Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Narcissistic Personality Disorder
>
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> him or her
> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes

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24Bit® - 21 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:08 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

>     There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
[quoted text clipped - 289 lines]
>> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I
>> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....

PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY

AN ENDEMIC SOCIAL DISEASE, A MASK OF SANITY

This introduction to "alien reaction machines" in human form describes
individuals with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (APD), Sociopaths,
and Psychopaths.

(In referring to these entities below, I use "that" instead of "who"
to reinforce the distinction between machine-like reactions and normal
human behavior.)

There is considerable overlap of symptoms as medical researchers have
refined the classifications. One of the links below provides detailed
distinctions among these definitions. It also includes an extensive
bibliography. In this essay, next, however, the older, generic term
"psychopath" is used.

A psychopath is a person who appears normal on the surface, until
he/she performs some outrageous criminal act. At that point it has
been customary to label the behavior as temporary "insanity", but that
is a legal term, not a medical one. The prison psychiatric hospital
environment greatly reduces the options for the new patient to make
the kind of independent decisions that caused the original trouble in
open society. In this controlled environment he/she appears normal,
shows no overt signs of psychosis, passes all probing tests with
flying colors, and is discharged as "cured". On the street again, more
crimes are committed, and the cycle repeats. Thus, these individuals
fall through the cracks between law and medicine.

Most people, including judges and juries, are still unable to make the
distinction that not all prison inmates are psychopaths and not all
antisocial individuals are convicted criminals. The links below can be
confusing unless one is aware that the label "psychopathic
personality" was the original descriptive term for today's aggressive
"antisocial personality". The new euphemism is an obfuscation of an
unpleasant truth about people we are forced to deal with on a daily
basis. It is difficult for all of us, especially when associating with
disruptive school children, whose unearned "self esteem" must be
protected at all costs. In the literature one can expect to see both
the new and the old terms, without much distinction between them.

Western industrial civilization has developed a complex set of rules
of behavior for its citizens. These rules have evolved from the need
for cooperative organization in order to produce the goods and
services actually needed by society for minimum survival as a group,
and also to produce the intangible benefits that make that survival
tolerable for the individual. It makes most sense to reserve the
greatest rewards to those individuals who produce the most goods and
services of the highest quality. Most people understand they need
specialized training for any role above some minimum level, and they
must compete for that training, and later compete on the job itself.
They understand that the need for group survival dictates the rules of
the game, and they must not disrupt the group process by
uncooperative, dishonest, unethical, or violent behavior, or flagrant
violation of the rules.

Psychopaths believe they are "entitled" to the lifestyle benefits of
Western Civilization that most people only hope for as a potential
reward for outstanding job performance, organizational loyalty, and
smooth cooperation with other members of a team. Psychopaths can't or
won't work at the high performance level that might logically provide
upscale benefits. At a lower level where they might be more qualified,
they feel that any menial, boring, dirty, or disgusting WORK is
"beneath" them. Thus, whether at a high level or low level, any
meaningful, honest "work" is a dirty word to a psychopath.

With extraordinary assistance from motivated parents, some more
intelligent, but still antisocial people can and do gravitate to
higher-paid management, politics, or the professions, where power and
prestige can be significant ego enhancers. However, they are always
"close to the edge" emotionally, and are likely to abuse sex, drugs,
and alcohol. Also, they may tend to "seek out" excuses to deliberately
over-indulge, in order to remove temporarily the stifling "mask of
sanity" that never quite fits. Then, when "under the influence" they
are more likely to exhibit aggressive, violent, and/or bizarre
behavior in inappropriate public places. This odd behavior is the key
classic sign of acute dysfunction. Some reference books provide
fascinating case histories describing typical incidents.

When one realizes that the antisocial syndrome is pervasive in today's
society, what protection is available to the average adult citizen?
How can one know the alien body snatcher before any actual overt
criminal act? There are two simple test tools available to any
perceptive, educated adult: The tools are contrived casual
conversation and unobtrusive observation. With these tools one can
make a simple first screening test to possibly rule out psychopathic
personality in public officials or others:

The psychopath is a dangerously clever "alien reaction machine" that
has practiced giving all the correct answers. However, much of that
verbal practice will have taken place in institutions or in
dysfunctional families in lower-class neighborhoods. When those same
answers are given in upscale surroundings, they come out as contrived
falsehoods.

Another clue is that the alien machine will not take responsibility,
but will tend to "blame others" for misfortunes with drugs, sexual
partners, bosses, co- workers, authorities, or whatever. Also, the
full-blown psychopath is NEVER altruistic or ethical (except by
accident), but may be shrewd enough to pretend altruism as sham
behavior (to attract votes). By accepting a psychopath's statements at
face value, without cross- checking public records or other sources, a
careless or inattentive interviewer can fail to pick up on the
frequent lies. For example, to trip up corrupt politicians or
self-described "experts", sometimes it is only necessary to compare
two different answers to the same or similar questions repeated on two
or more different occasions, without involving external sources at
all. Any pattern of lies will stand out as outside the norm of ethical
conduct. By itself, this discrepancy is insufficient to classify the
individual as antisocial, but it is an indication that other tests
should be made.
* * * * *
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:18 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
   You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
   I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
   I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or
LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
   Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
   The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord
Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY
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David Harmon - 19 Sep 2007 06:05 GMT
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike
Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote,
>I then drive until it sputters, pull over and put gas in from the can to
>get to a gas station.

But then, you /enjoy/ cleaning crud out of your carb after sucking the
dregs from the very bottom of 'new' to you gas tank..
Old Crow - 19 Sep 2007 12:09 GMT
>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike
>Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote,
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>But then, you /enjoy/ cleaning crud out of your carb after sucking the
>dregs from the very bottom of 'new' to you gas tank..

Ya know, I always wondered about that.  The pickup tube is at the
bottom of the tank.  Never moves.  Most people say that crud collects
on the bottom of the tank.  Seems like it'd suck the crud up no matter
how much gas was in the tank.
In support of this, a couple years back we had a local station get a
bunch of water in thier tanks during a larger than normal snow storm.
I drained full tanks of gas outa 3 different vehicles that refused to
run on the water that collected on the bottom of a full tank.
--
Old Crow              "Yol Bolson!"            
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande    
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM                  
                           

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Matt Macchiarolo - 19 Sep 2007 12:52 GMT
On my diesel , the worry on an empty tank isn't pulling crud up from the
bottom of the tank, but running the fuel pump dry, since the fuel lubricates
the pump.

>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike
>>Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote,
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> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
Mike Romain - 19 Sep 2007 15:26 GMT
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike
> Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> But then, you /enjoy/ cleaning crud out of your carb after sucking the
> dregs from the very bottom of 'new' to you gas tank..

'My' fuel pickup has a sock on it and always sucks from the same place
near the bottom of the tank.  If there is crap there, the amount of fuel
in the tank makes no matter.

If there is enough crap to plug the pickup sock or screen, I want to
know about it 'now' so I don't get screwed way out in the bush some day
running low on fuel.

'Usually' I also do a tune up and oil change on them shortly after
buying which also 'includes' a new gas filter.

The only time I ever get 'crud' in my carburetor, is if I run dry on gas
and don't have a prime available so it has to crank and crank which
'can' suck charcoal bits out of the charcoal canister and deposit these
in the float bowl.

If I have my normal gas can on board, I prime the carb first which
prevents this.

On a FI vehicle, this is moot.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos:  Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Kate - 19 Sep 2007 20:51 GMT
They must've changed the spec sheets in later years, 'cause I have a
2006 Wrangler X and my spec sheet does say 19 gallons.  However, the
manual states that when the 'low gas, dummy' light comes on, you have
approximately 2 gallons of gas left.  I have intentionally travelled
as far as I have dared around my town with this light on (never more
than walking distance from a gas station if it quit), and even when I
fill it, I have never been able to put more than 17.5 gallons in it.
So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not
really a 19 gallon tank.
---

Now you have my curiosity up.... Let me have a lok here.

On my 06 Rubicon Sticker it says it has a 19 gallon tank.
I never gave it too much thought but as far as I remember I have never put
in more than 15 gallons or so.

I usually don't run much lower than the last quarter anyway....

Kate
Old Crow - 20 Sep 2007 11:02 GMT
>They must've changed the spec sheets in later years, 'cause I have a
>2006 Wrangler X and my spec sheet does say 19 gallons.  However, the
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>
>Kate

Another thought.  Do you just stop filling when the nozzle shuts off,
or do you fill the tank all the way?
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Old Crow              "Yol Bolson!"            
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande    
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM                  
                           

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dougk - 27 Sep 2007 08:03 GMT
"Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote:

> On my 06 Rubicon Sticker it says it has a 19 gallon tank.
> I never gave it too much thought but as far as I remember I have
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>
> Kate

FYI: I ran my '06 Rubi dry early on and found the 19-gal tank
actually holds 20 by topping off. And the 'low fuel' light means 4
gallons left, since I can get 16 gallons in right then.

So, others should be the same, depending on factory weirdness...and
how deep your tank dents are. :)

dougk
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 18 Sep 2007 06:22 GMT
Bingo!
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> I can't imagine why they would do that either, unless it was to make
> some easy money on people ordering the upgrade to the 20 gallon tank.
> There are sites all over the net on how to do the fix though.
>
> Chris

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24Bit® - 18 Sep 2007 07:32 GMT
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:22:29 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

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>    Bingo!
>        God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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>>
>> Chris
Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or
development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who
represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and
untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and
emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age
60 or so, then tapers off.

Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly
dissociated state, revealing a low-state autonomic nervous system and
lack of anxiety. It's difficult to say what motivates them - control
and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no
long-standing bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other
than the planning of violence).

They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of
entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism.
Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the
low-fear hypothesis). It's helpful to think of them as high-speed
vehicles with ineffective brakes.

Certain organic (brain) disorders and hormonal imbalances mimic the
state of mind of a psychopath.

There are four (4) different subtypes of psychopaths. The oldest
distinction was made by Cleckley back in 1941 between primary and
secondary.

PRIMARY PSYCHOPATHS do not respond to punishment, apprehension,
stress, or disapproval. They seem to be able to inhibit their
antisocial impulses most of the time, not because of conscience, but
because it suits their purpose at the time. Words do not seem to have
the same meaning for them as they do for us. In fact, it's unclear if
they even grasp the meaning of their own words, a condition that
Cleckley called "semantic aphasia." They don't follow any life plan,
and it seems as if they are incapable of experiencing any genuine
emotion.

SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be
stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to
more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to
stress as the average person. (This suggests that they are not "fully
psychopathic." This may be due to distinctive genetic variations.)

They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing
by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire
to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their
anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their
attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation.
Both primary and secondary psychopaths can be subdivided into:

DISTEMPERED PSYCHOPATHS are the kind that seem to fly into a rage or
frenzy more easily and more often than other subtypes. Their frenzy
will resemble an epileptic fit. They are also usually men with
incredibly strong sex drives, capable of astonishing feats of sexual
energy, and seemingly obsessed by sexual urges during a large part of
their waking lives. Powerful cravings also seem to characterize them,
as in drug addiction, kleptomania, pedophilia, any illicit or illegal
indulgence. They like the endorphin "high" or "rush" off of excitement
and risk-taking. The serial-rapist-murderer known as the Boston
Strangler was such a psychopath.

CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are
usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their
advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and
possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything
they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for
example, might be psychopaths if they lead their followers to their
deaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions.
They are irresistible.

Sociopaths have always existed in varying form and to various degrees.
They have been known by various titles. They have been studied using
various techniques, and through the years their ailment has been
blamed on various causes. But one thing never varies: all sociopaths
share three common characteristics. They are all very egocentric
individuals with no empathy for others, and they are incapable of
feeling remorse or guilt. [The Sociopath Rebecca Horton (April 1999)]

While the psychopath has likes and dislikes and fondness for the
pleasures that human company can bring, analysis shows that he is
completely egocentric, valuing others only for their enhancement of
his own pleasure or status. While he gives no real love, he is quite
capable of inspiring love of sometimes fanatical degree in others.

He is generally superficially charming and often makes a striking
impression as possessed of the noblest of human qualities. He makes
friends easily, and is very manipulative, using his ability with words
to talk his way out of trouble. Many psychopaths love to be admired
and bask in the adulation of others.

With the lack of love, there is also a lack of empathy. The psychopath
is unable to feel sorry for others in unfortunate situations or put
himself in another's place, whether or not they have been harmed by
him.[Gordon Banks]

How Psychopaths View The World
Not only do they covet possessions and power, but they gain special
pleasure in usurping and taking from others (a symbolic sibling, for
example); what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far
sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor.

And once having drained what they can from one source, they turn to
another to exploit, bleed, and then cast aside; their pleasure in the
misfortune of others is unquenchable. People are used as a means to an
end; they are to be subordinated and demeaned so that the antisocial
can vindicate themselves...

The causes of this sociopathic disorder have been narrowed to several
factors through research. One of the primary causes of sociopathic
behavior is believed to be neurological abnormalities mainly in the
frontal lobe of the brain. This area is also related to fear
conditioning. The abnormal anatomy or chemical activity within this
area of the brain may be caused by abnormal growth (possibly genetic),
brain disease, or injury. This theory has been supported by much
research using positron emission tomography (PET) which visually shows
the metabolic activity of neurons within the brain (Sabbatini, 1998).

The amygdalae, two small regions buried near the base of the brain,
have long been known to affect aggression, sexuality and recklessness.
Recently, they have also been shown to affect how people interpret the
emotions of others. Subtle damage to the amygdalae may explain many of
the characteristics of psychopaths - including the difficulty of
getting through to them emotionally. It may be that they simply cannot
"see" emotions in others. [Are You Married to a Psychopath?]

The psychopath is a manipulator, who knows exactly what makes us tick
and knows how to manipulate and influence our feelings.

They have the talent to spot “kind, caring” women.

Mimicry is often used to convince others that the psychopath is a
normal human being. He does this to create a false empathy with his
victim. The psychopath will try to make you believe he has normal
emotions by spinning some sad tale or professing profound, moving
experiences; the truth is, most psychopaths go through life as in an
incubator, touched by few and having no real compassion for others;
but they will lie to convince you that they have normal emotions.

The pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor"
people.

Lying is like breathing to the psychopath. When caught in a lie and
challenged, they make up new lies, and don't care if they're found
out. As Hare states,

"Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for
psychopaths...When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they
are seldom perplexed or embarrassed -- they simply change their
stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be
consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory
statements and a thoroughly confused listener." [Hare].

Often, their behavior serves to confuse and repress their victims, or
to influence anyone who might listen to the psychopath's side of the
story.

Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they
achieve this.
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 18 Sep 2007 21:05 GMT
There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
    Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
    But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
   I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly  to be a terrorist.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
   Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
   When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
   People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
   You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
  If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
   I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
   You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
   I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
   I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or
LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

>  Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or
> development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who
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> Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they
> achieve this.

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24Bit® - 19 Sep 2007 06:37 GMT
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:05:24 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:

Message-ID: <46f023b5$0$14912$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

>     There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
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>> Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they
>> achieve this.
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ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY, SOCIOPATHY, AND PSYCHOPATHY

Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) is practically synonymous with
criminal behavior, but as with all distributions of a disease or
whatever in a population, it is probable that the majority of people
with this particular affliction are law-abiding.  Aging,
overinvolvements, and/or relationships might hold sway over the
control (or lack of control) in these kind of people, and although
approaching the study of offenders from a relationship & personality
disorders point of view may or may not be productive, Dr. Drew is
probably an adequate source of information on such matters.  Dr.
Drew's theory (and one with wide ramifications since he pretty much
defines an antisocial tendency as thinking about one's self first) is
that women with certain kinds of disorders, like borderline
personality disorders, tend to be attracted to and hook up with men
who manifest symptoms of psychopathic personality disorder (see
Lecture on BPD & OCD) and that such match-ups may or may not be
dysfunctional.  On the other hand, the field of criminology tends to
treat APD as so synonymous, in fact, with criminal behavior that
practically all convicted criminals (65-75%) have it, with
criminologists often referring to it as a "wastebasket" category.
Antisocials come is all shapes and sizes, and psychologists consider
the juvenile version of it to be a juvenile conduct disorder. The main
characteristic of it is a complete and utter disregard for the rights
of others and the rules of society. They seldom show anxiety and don't
feel guilt. Although many people would hope that there's an effective
treatment, there's really no effective treatment for them other than
locking them up in a secure facility with such rigid rules that they
cannot talk their way out. A full list of APD traits would include:

      "List of Antisocial Personality Disorder Traits"

Sense of entitlement; Unremorseful; Apathetic to others;
Unconscionable behavior; Blameful of others; Manipulative and conning;
Affectively cold; Disparate understanding; Socially irresponsible;
Disregardful of obligations; Nonconforming to norms; Irresponsible.

whereas the DSM-IV "clinical" features of Antisocial Personality
Disorder (with a person having at least three of these
characteristics) are:

  "Clinical Symptoms for an Antisocial Personality Disorder
Diagnosis"

1. Failure to conform to social norms;
2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness;
3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability, aggressiveness;
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility;
7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from
another    person.

 Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the
person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes
like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize
or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective.
Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires -
selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody
else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used
in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are
doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad. The
term "sociopath" is frequently used by psychologists and sociologists
alike in referring to persons whose unsocialized character is due
primarily to parental failures (usually fatherlessness) rather than an
inherent feature of temperament.  Lykken (1995), for example, clearly
distinguishes between the sociopath (who is socialized into becoming a
psychopath) and a "true" psychopath (who is born that way).  However,
this may only describe the "common sociopath", as there are at least
four (4) different subtypes -- common, alienated, aggressive, and
dyssocial. Commons are characterized mostly by their lack of
conscience; the alienated by their inability to love or be loved;
aggressives by a consistent sadistic streak; and dyssocials by an
ability to abide by gang rules, as long as those rules are the wrong
rules. As Stout (2005) indicates, it only takes three of the following
to be defined as a sociopath, and some common sociopathic traits
include:

                "List of Common Sociopathic Traits"

Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect;
Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to
resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the
opposite sex; Lack of interest in bonding with a mate.

  Psychopathy is a concept subject to much debate, but is usually
defined as a constellation of affective, interpersonal, and behavioral
characteristics including egocentricity; impulsivity;
irresponsibility; shallow emotions; lack of empathy, guilt, or
remorse; pathological lying; manipulativeness; and the persistent
violation of social norms and expectations (Cleckley 1976; Hare 1993).
The crimes of psychopaths are usually stone-cold, remorseless killings
for no apparent reason. They cold-bloodedly take what they want and do
as they please without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. In many
ways, they are natural-born intraspecies predators who satisfy their
lust for power and control by charm, manipulation, intimidation, and
violence. While almost all societies would regard them as criminals
(the exception being frontier or warlike societies where they might
become heroes, patriots, or leaders), it's important to distinguish
their behavior from criminal behavior. As a common axiom goes in
psychology, MOST PSYCHOPATHS ARE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITIES BUT NOT ALL
ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITIES ARE PSYCHOPATHS. This is because APD is
defined mainly by behaviors (Factor 2 antisocial behaviors) and
doesn't tap the affective/interpersonal dimensions (Factor 1 core
psychopathic features, narcissism) of psychopathy. Further, criminals
and APDs tend to "age out" of crime; psychopaths do not, and are at
high risk of recidivism. Psychopaths love to intellectualize in
treatment with their half-baked understanding of rules. Like the Star
Trek character, Spock, their reasoning cannot handle any mix of
cognition and emotion. They are calculating predators who, when
trapped, will attempt escape, create a nuisance and danger to staff,
be a disruptive influence on other patients or inmates, and fake
symptoms to get transferred, bouncing back and forth between
institutions. The common features of psychopathic traits (the PCL-R
items) are:

               "List of Common Psychopathic Traits"

Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for
stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of
remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy;
Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual
behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals;
Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for
own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile
delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility.

       "DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER"

   The diagnosis of APD has long been controversial. The criteria for
it seem to change with each and every new edition of the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-I 1968; DSM-II 1976;
DSM-III 1980; DSM-III-R 1987; DSM-IV 1994). The diagnosis was
substantially changed with DSM-III when the APA decided to distinguish
between child and adult characteristics, and essentially substituted
behavioral criteria (like truancy or law violations) for personality
criteria (like callousness and selfishness). In the DSM-III-R (R for
Revised), the focus was on violence and a list of violent acts
(fighting, cruelty to others, cruelty to animals). The current DSM-IV
approach essentially says that anything which is not sociopathy,
psychopathy or dyssocial personality disorder is antisocial
personality disorder, but there is considerable overlap. The
diagnostic possibilities are endless; there are at least 3 million
possible variations of symptoms on at least 62 different measurable
items.

   Ongoing research is quite prolific into the factor or principal
components analy