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Arold "Al" Green - 17 Sep 2007 19:05 GMT Hi, I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was still with the paperwork and it says it has a 15 gallon tank. Is this accurate? I had assumed the tank would be cloer to 20 gallon. Thanks, Al __ Arold "Al" Green
Mike Romain - 17 Sep 2007 19:20 GMT > Hi, > I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > __ > Arold "Al" Green It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.
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SnoMan - 17 Sep 2007 19:48 GMT >It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they >just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent. Actually if you really knew anything you would know that 15 gallons is standard and there was a option for a 20 gallon tank. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
c - 17 Sep 2007 20:07 GMT >> It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they >> just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Oh really? http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/15to20gal.html
Heatwave - 18 Sep 2007 02:21 GMT > >It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they > >just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ----------------- > TheYellowSnoMan.com What did he say that was wrong and that would warrant such a condescending response? Not only that but there was nothing relevant or contributary in your post. You're really reaching far to insult others aren't you? Pathetic...
matthewf_boi@yahoo.com - 20 Sep 2007 04:42 GMT > > >It is an either or situation on the TJ I believe unlike the YJ were they > > >just 'faked' the 15 gallon tank by moving the filler vent.
> Actually if you really knew anything you would know that 15 gallons is > standard and there was a option for a 20 gallon tank.
> What did he say that was wrong and that would warrant such a > condescending response? Not only that but there was nothing relevant or > contributary in your post. You're really reaching far to insult others > aren't you? Pathetic... Snowman seems to stalk MikeR and always try to point out anything he doesn't agree with. His posts always seem to be right after Mikes.
Recently he said "BTW, if you want to restart this fued I will tear you a new one ... Your little more than a BSing troll with abig EGO problem. TheSnoMan.com"
Clearly, to most of us, MikeR is more than a BSing troll... :-)
But when he talks smack about something like this gas tank capacity issue, and is proven wrong again, he doesn't post back. Huh, I wonder why?
Matthew '82 Cj-7
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 17 Sep 2007 20:30 GMT http://www.gottrail.com/TJ/TJfueltankconversion.html God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Hi, > I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > __ > Arold "Al" Green
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nrs - 17 Sep 2007 20:44 GMT On Sep 17, 1:05 pm, "Arold \"Al\" Green" <aro...@spamlessmchsi.com> wrote:
> Hi, > I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > __ > Arold "Al" Green Both the TJ and later YJ tanks can be converted to 20 gallons by trimming the vent tube. The only problem is that your gauge will read full until the last 15 gallons start being used.
Mike Romain - 17 Sep 2007 21:20 GMT > On Sep 17, 1:05 pm, "Arold \"Al\" Green" <aro...@spamlessmchsi.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > trimming the vent tube. The only problem is that your gauge will read > full until the last 15 gallons start being used. So they faked out some of the early TJ's too? I thought I remembered something about that.
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griffin - 19 Sep 2007 02:41 GMT Ya mine is like that and it's quite deceptive in the sense that for the first 100km, I feel like I'm driving an aerodynamic hybrid. Then once it's back on the 15gallon reading I realize I'm back to driving a cinder block on rollerskates.
But for awhile I feel like I'm a champ!
> So they faked out some of the early TJ's too? I thought I remembered > something about that. Mike Romain - 17 Sep 2007 21:57 GMT > Hi, > I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > __ > Arold "Al" Green I was just reading around and found out you have a 19 gallon tank in your 98 TJ.
If the sticker says it is a 15 gallon tank, they put a float ball stopper in the fill tube so it shuts off at 15, but the tank is the same.
You can drop the tank and remove this ball by trimming the tube back.
Here is a link with directions about halfway down: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453329
You then would need the 19 gallon sender or just realize your gauge just reads the bottom 3/4 of the tank. I have had cars like that...
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Jeff DeWitt - 18 Sep 2007 01:56 GMT >> Hi, >> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If the sticker says it is a 15 gallon tank, they put a float ball > stopper in the fill tube so it shuts off at 15, but the tank is the same. Why on Earth would they do something like that? You usually know what your talking about and I'm not disputing you, it just sounds like a really stupid thing to do... so if they really did do it I'm sure it was to meet some goofy government regulation.
Jeff DeWitt
> You can drop the tank and remove this ball by trimming the tube back. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) c - 18 Sep 2007 02:37 GMT >>> Hi, >>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jeff DeWitt I can't imagine why they would do that either, unless it was to make some easy money on people ordering the upgrade to the 20 gallon tank. There are sites all over the net on how to do the fix though.
Chris
Tracie - 18 Sep 2007 04:37 GMT > >>> Hi, > >>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - They must've changed the spec sheets in later years, 'cause I have a 2006 Wrangler X and my spec sheet does say 19 gallons. However, the manual states that when the 'low gas, dummy' light comes on, you have approximately 2 gallons of gas left. I have intentionally travelled as far as I have dared around my town with this light on (never more than walking distance from a gas station if it quit), and even when I fill it, I have never been able to put more than 17.5 gallons in it. So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not really a 19 gallon tank.
c - 18 Sep 2007 04:51 GMT >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not > really a 19 gallon tank. It may be a different tank as compared to the earlier TJs. Most fuel gages don't read as accurate as we'd like to think. My truck can run well below empty for quite a while, but I have pushed it too far a couple times and ended up walking a short distance.
Chris
noneofyourbusiness - 18 Sep 2007 13:20 GMT >> >>> Hi, >> >>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not >really a 19 gallon tank. I've let the needle actually cross over onto the idiot light before refeuling, but it's risky ;-) Usually, when I refuel anywhere between the last line and the light, I can only get to within 2 gallons of max.
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Mike Romain - 18 Sep 2007 14:55 GMT >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I bought a 98 TJ Sport 6 cylinder. The dealer window sticker was [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not > really a 19 gallon tank. I always take any 'new' to me vehicle I buy and put a full gas can on board 'planning' to run out of gas.
I do this on a specific run so I don't have any surprises.
I mark the odometer when the light come on, then I mark it a second time when the gauge is 'exactly' on the E line, then again when the needle stops moving if I can notice that.
I then drive until it sputters, pull over and put gas in from the can to get to a gas station.
This lets me know exactly how many miles I have left at the bottom parts of the gauge.
Some vehicles have given up to 70 miles after the gauge read E, others like my CJ7 are 'out' of gas when it hits E.
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FrankW - 18 Sep 2007 16:22 GMT LOL I always whenever possible take heed of the advice the old farmer I used to work for gave me.
"Keep the top half full, the bottom half will never go dry"
Every winter when we're out snowmobiling in Quebec Gas stations are far and between, riding those gas guzzelers (My 4.0litre Rubie gets better mileage than my little 0.5litre sled) we NEVER pass up a gas staion. Even if it's down a quarter tank
Nothing like that nervous feeling, when you're not quite sure where you are, It's -20C out, soon to be dark and you only got a 1/8 tank left
:-)
> I always take any 'new' to me vehicle I buy and put a full gas can on > board 'planning' to run out of gas. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 18 Sep 2007 21:32 GMT It uses the same amount off the top as the bottom, and you won't have as much air to condensate water. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> LOL > I always whenever possible take heed of the advice [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > :-)
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Frank_v7.0 - 19 Sep 2007 01:16 GMT > LOL > I always whenever possible take heed of the advice [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) As I recall from my snowmobiling days in Northern Vermont and side trips to Quebec we never passed a gas station or a bar. :-)
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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 02:37 GMT That be a cafe racer in my old Harley days. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> As I recall from my snowmobiling days in Northern Vermont and side trips > to Quebec we never passed a gas station or a bar. :-)
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24Bit® - 19 Sep 2007 06:37 GMT On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:37:59 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
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> That be a cafe racer in my old Harley days. > Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ You will just lie to anyone who will listen, you only had one girlie Sportster, and a junker three wheeler, what a LIAR! You wouldn't know what a Harley day was if it grabbed your balls. And if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.
>> As I recall from my snowmobiling days in Northern Vermont and side trips >> to Quebec we never passed a gas station or a bar. :-) L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 07:30 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> You will just lie to anyone who will listen, you only had one girlie > Sportster, and a junker three wheeler, what a LIAR! > You wouldn't know what a Harley day was if it grabbed your balls. > And if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.
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24Bit® - 19 Sep 2007 10:23 GMT On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:30:03 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
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> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> You wouldn't know what a Harley day was if it grabbed your balls. >> And if I have to explain, you wouldn't understand. Message-ID: <46f0b623$0$24196$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>
The Psychopathy Checklist lets us discuss psychopaths with little risk that we are describing simple social deviance or criminality, or that we are mislabeling people who have nothing more in common than that they have broken the law. But it also provides a detailed picture of the disordered personalities of the psychopaths among us. In this chapter and the next, I bring that picture into focus by describing the more salient features one by one. This chapter looks at the emotional and interpersonal traits of this complex personality disorder; chapter 4 examines the unstable, characteristically antisocial lifestyle of the psychopath.
Emotional/Interpersonal glib and superficial egocentric and grandiose lack of remorse or guilt lack of empathy deceitful and manipulative shallow emotions Social Deviance impulsive poor behavior controls need for excitement lack of responsibility early behavior problems adult antisocial behavior
A cautionary note: The Psychopathy Checklist is a complex clinical tool for professional use.[1] What follows is a general summary of the key traits and behaviors of psychopaths. Do not use these symptoms to diagnose yourself or others. A diagnosis requires explicit training and access to the formal scoring manual. If you suspect that someone you know conforms to the profile described here and in the next chapter, and if it is important to you to obtain an expert opinion, seek the services of a qualified (registered) forensic psychologist or psychiatrist. Also, be aware that people who are not psychopaths may have some of the symptoms described here. Many people are impulsive, or glib, or cold and unfeeling, or antisocial, but this does not mean they are psychopaths. Psychopathy is a syndrome--a cluster of related symptoms.
Psychopaths are often witty and articulate. They can be amusing and entertaining conversationalists, ready with a quick and clever comeback, and can tell unlikely but convincing stories that cast themselves in a good light. They can be very effective in presenting themselves well and are often very likable and charming. To some people, however, they seem too slick and smooth, too obviously insincere and superficial. Astute observers often get the impression that psychopaths are play-acting, mechanically "reading their lines."
One of my raters described an interview she did with a prisoner: "I sat down and took out my clipboard, and the first thing this guy told me was what beautiful eyes I had. He managed to work quite a few compliments on my appearance into the interview -- couldn't get over my hair. So by the time I wrapped things up I was feeling unusually...well, pretty. I'm a wary person, especially on the job, and can usually spot a phony. When I got back outside, I couldn't believe I'd fallen for a line like that."
Psychopaths may ramble and tell stories that seem unlikely in light of what is known about them. Typically, they attempt to appear familiar with sociology, psychiatry, medicine, psychology, philosophy, poetry, literature, art, or law. A signpost to this trait is often a smooth lack of concern at being found out. One of our prison files describes a psychopathic inmate claiming to have advanced degrees in sociology and psychology, when in fact he did not even complete high school. He maintained the fiction during an interview with one of my students, a Ph.D. candidate in psychology; she commented that the inmate was so confident in his use of technical jargon and concepts that those not familiar with the field of psychology might well have been impressed. Variations on this sort of "expert" theme are common among psychopaths....
Psychopaths have a narcissistic and grossly inflated view of their self-worth and importance, a truly astounding egocentricity and sense of entitlement, and see themselves as the center of the universe, as superior beings who are justified in living according to their own rules. "It's not that I don't follow the law," said one of our subjects. "I follow my own laws. I never violate my own rules." She then described these rules in terms of "looking out for number one."
When another psychopath, in prison for a variety of crimes including robbery, rape, and fraud, was asked if he had any weaknesses, he replied, "I don't have any weaknesses, except maybe I'm too caring." On a 10-point scale he rated himself "an all-round 10. I would have said 12, but that would be bragging. If I had a better education I'd be brilliant."
The grandiosity and pomposity of some psychopaths often emerges in dramatic fashion in the courtroom. For example, it is not unusual for them to criticize or fire their lawyers and to take over their own defense, usually with disastrous results. "My partner got a year. I got two because of a shithead lawyer," said one of our subjects. He later handled his own appeal and saw his sentence increased to three years.
Psychopaths often come across as arrogant, shameless braggarts -- self-assured, opinionated, domineering, and cocky. They love to have power and control over others and seem unable to believe that other people have valid opinions different from theirs. They appear charismatic or "electrifying" to some people.
Psychopaths are seldom embarrassed about their legal, financial, or personal problems. Rather, they see them as temporary setbacks, the results of bad luck, unfaithful friends, or an unfair and incompetent system.
Although psychopaths often claim to have specific goals, they show little understanding of the qualifications required -- they have no idea how to achieve their goals and little or no chance of attaining them, given their track record and lack of sustained interest in education. The psychopathic inmate thinking about parole might outline vague plans to become a property tycoon or a lawyer for the poor. One inmate, not particularly literate, managed to copyright the title of a book he was planning to write about himself and was already counting the fortune his bestseller would bring....
Psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern for the devastating effects their actions have on others. Often they are completely forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they have no sense of guilt, are not sorry for the pain and destruction they have caused, and that there is no reason for them to be concerned.
When asked if he had any regrets about stabbing a robbery victim who subsequently spent three months in the hospital as a result of his wounds, one of our subjects replied, "Get real! He spends a few months in a hospital and I rot here. I cut him up a bit, but if I wanted to kill him I would have slit his throat. That's the kind of guy I am; I gave him a break." Asked if he regretted any of his crimes, he said, "I don't regret nothing. What's done is done. There must have been a reason why I did it at the time, and that is why it was done...."
On the other hand, psychopaths sometimes verbalize remorse but then contradict themselves in words or actions. Criminals in prison quickly learn that remorse is an important word. When asked if he experienced remorse over a murder he'd committed, one young inmate told us, "Yeah, sure, I feel remorse." Pressed further, he said that he didn't "feel bad inside about it."
I was once dumbfounded by the logic of an inmate who described his murder victim as having benefited from the crime by learning "a hard lesson about life."
"The guy only had himself to blame," another inmate said of the man he'd murdered in an argument about paying a bar tab. "Anybody could have seen I was in a rotten mood that night. What did he want to go and bother me for?" He continued, "Anyway, the guy never suffered. Knife wounds to an artery are the easiest way to go."
Psychopaths' lack of remorse or guilt is associated with a remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior and to shrug off personal responsibility for actions that cause shock and disappointment to family, friends, associates, and others who have played by the rules. Usually they have handy excuses for their behavior, and in some cases they deny that it happened at all....
Many of the characteristics displayed by psychopaths -- especially their egocentricity, lack of remorse, shallow emotions, and deceitfulness are closely associated with a profound lack of empathy (an inability to construct a mental and emotional "facsimile" of another person). They seem unable to "get into the skin" or to "walk in the shoes" of others, except in a purely intellectual sense. The feelings of other people are of no concern to psychopaths.
In some respects they are like the emotionless androids depicted in science fiction, unable to imagine what real humans experience. One rapist, high on the Psychopathy Checklist, commented that he found it hard to empathize with his victims. "They are frightened, right? But, you see, I don't really understand it. I've been scared myself, and it wasn't unpleasant."
Psychopaths view people as little more than objects to be used for their own gratification. The weak and the vulnerable -- whom they mock, rather than pity--are favorite targets. "There is no such thing, in the psychopathic universe, as the merely weak," wrote psychologist Robert Rieber. "Whoever is weak is also a sucker; that is, someone who demands to be exploited....
Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for psychopaths.
With their powers of imagination in gear and focused on themselves, psychopaths appear amazingly unfazed by the possibility -- or even by the certainty -- of being found out. When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed -- they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory statements and a thoroughly confused listener. Much of the lying seems to have no motivation other than what psychologist Paul Ekman refers to as a "duping delight....
Psychopaths seem proud of their ability to lie. When asked if she lied easily, one woman with a high score on the Psychopathy Checklist laughed and replied, "I'm the best. I'm really good at it, I think because I sometimes admit to something bad about myself. They'd think, well, if she's admitting to that she must be telling the truth about the rest." She also said that she sometimes "salts the mine" with a nugget of truth." If they think some of what you say is true, they usually think it's all true."
Many observers get the impression that psychopaths sometimes are unaware that they're lying; it is as if the words take on a life of their own, unfettered by the speaker's knowledge that the observer is aware of the facts. The psychopath's indifference to being identified as a liar is truly extraordinary; it causes the listener to wonder about the speaker's sanity. More often, though, the listener is taken in....
"I'm the most cold-blooded son of a bitch that you'll ever meet. So Ted Bundy described himself to the police following his final arrest.
Psychopaths seem to suffer a kind of emotional poverty that limits the range and depth of their feelings. While at times they appear cold and unemotional, they are prone to dramatic, shallow, and short-lived displays of feeling. Careful observers are left with the impression that they are play-acting and that little is going on below the surface.
Sometimes they claim to experience strong emotions but are unable to describe the subtleties of various affective states. For example, they equate love with sexual arousal, sadness with frustration, and anger with irritability. "I believe in emotions: hate, anger, lust, and greed," said Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker....
The apparent lack of normal affect and emotional depth led psychologists J. H. Johns and H. C. Quay to say that the psychopath "knows the words but not the music.For example, in a rambling book about hate, violence, and rationalizations for his behavior, Jack Abbott made this revealing comment: "There are emotions -- a whole spectrum of them -- that I know only through words, through reading and in my immature imagination. I can imagine I feel these emotions (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 21:53 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> The Psychopathy Checklist lets us discuss psychopaths with little > risk that we are describing simple social deviance or criminality, or [quoted text clipped - 228 lines] > (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I > am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy....
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24Bit® - 21 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:08 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the achievements and accomplishments of others.
Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic personality disorder.
Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them (usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they are vilifying.
Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration, fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special privileges and squandering extra resources also feature.
People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and expectations are not met.
The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder are:
A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of:
1. a grandiose sense of self-importance 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. requires excessive admiration 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, [quoted text clipped - 289 lines] >> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I >> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy.... L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:18 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Narcissistic Personality Disorder > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > him or her > 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
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24Bit® - 21 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:08 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
The serial bully displays behaviour congruent with many of the diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Characterised by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity and self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy, people with narcissistic personality disorder overestimate their abilities and inflate their accomplishments, often appearing boastful and pretentious, whilst correspondingly underestimating and devaluing the achievements and accomplishments of others.
Often the narcissist will fraudulently claim to have qualifications or experience or affiliations or associations which they don't have or aren't entitled to. Belief in superiority, inflating their self-esteem to match that of senior or important people with whom they associate or identify, insisting on having the "top" professionals or being affiliated with the "best" institutions, but criticising the same people who disappoint them are also common features of narcissistic personality disorder.
Narcissists react angrily to criticism and when rejected, the narcissist will often denounce the profession which has rejected them (usually for lack of competence or misdeed) but simultaneously and paradoxically represent themselves as belonging to the profession they are vilifying.
Fragile self-esteem, a need for constant attention and admiration, fishing for compliments (often with great charm), an expectation of superior entitlement, expecting others to defer to them, and a lack of sensitivity especially when others do not react in the expected manner, are also hallmarks of the disorder. Greed, expecting to receive before and above the needs of others, overworking those around them, and forming romantic (sic) or sexual relationships for the purpose of advancing their purpose or career, abusing special privileges and squandering extra resources also feature.
People with narcissistic personality disorder also have difficulty recognizing the needs and feelings of others, and are dismissive, contemptuous and impatient when others share or discuss their concerns or problems. They are also oblivious to the hurtfulness of their behaviour or remarks, show an emotional coldness and a lack of reciprocal interest, exhibit envy (especially when others are accorded recognition), have an arrogant, disdainful and patronizing attitude, and are quick to blame and criticise others when their needs and expectations are not met.
The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder are:
A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of:
1. a grandiose sense of self-importance 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. requires excessive admiration 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, [quoted text clipped - 289 lines] >> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I >> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy.... L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:18 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Narcissistic Personality Disorder > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > him or her > 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
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24Bit® - 21 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:08 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, [quoted text clipped - 289 lines] >> (know, therefore, what they are), but I do not. At age thirty-seven I >> am barely a precocious child. My passions are those of a boy.... PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY AN ENDEMIC SOCIAL DISEASE, A MASK OF SANITY
This introduction to "alien reaction machines" in human form describes individuals with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (APD), Sociopaths, and Psychopaths.
(In referring to these entities below, I use "that" instead of "who" to reinforce the distinction between machine-like reactions and normal human behavior.)
There is considerable overlap of symptoms as medical researchers have refined the classifications. One of the links below provides detailed distinctions among these definitions. It also includes an extensive bibliography. In this essay, next, however, the older, generic term "psychopath" is used.
A psychopath is a person who appears normal on the surface, until he/she performs some outrageous criminal act. At that point it has been customary to label the behavior as temporary "insanity", but that is a legal term, not a medical one. The prison psychiatric hospital environment greatly reduces the options for the new patient to make the kind of independent decisions that caused the original trouble in open society. In this controlled environment he/she appears normal, shows no overt signs of psychosis, passes all probing tests with flying colors, and is discharged as "cured". On the street again, more crimes are committed, and the cycle repeats. Thus, these individuals fall through the cracks between law and medicine.
Most people, including judges and juries, are still unable to make the distinction that not all prison inmates are psychopaths and not all antisocial individuals are convicted criminals. The links below can be confusing unless one is aware that the label "psychopathic personality" was the original descriptive term for today's aggressive "antisocial personality". The new euphemism is an obfuscation of an unpleasant truth about people we are forced to deal with on a daily basis. It is difficult for all of us, especially when associating with disruptive school children, whose unearned "self esteem" must be protected at all costs. In the literature one can expect to see both the new and the old terms, without much distinction between them.
Western industrial civilization has developed a complex set of rules of behavior for its citizens. These rules have evolved from the need for cooperative organization in order to produce the goods and services actually needed by society for minimum survival as a group, and also to produce the intangible benefits that make that survival tolerable for the individual. It makes most sense to reserve the greatest rewards to those individuals who produce the most goods and services of the highest quality. Most people understand they need specialized training for any role above some minimum level, and they must compete for that training, and later compete on the job itself. They understand that the need for group survival dictates the rules of the game, and they must not disrupt the group process by uncooperative, dishonest, unethical, or violent behavior, or flagrant violation of the rules.
Psychopaths believe they are "entitled" to the lifestyle benefits of Western Civilization that most people only hope for as a potential reward for outstanding job performance, organizational loyalty, and smooth cooperation with other members of a team. Psychopaths can't or won't work at the high performance level that might logically provide upscale benefits. At a lower level where they might be more qualified, they feel that any menial, boring, dirty, or disgusting WORK is "beneath" them. Thus, whether at a high level or low level, any meaningful, honest "work" is a dirty word to a psychopath.
With extraordinary assistance from motivated parents, some more intelligent, but still antisocial people can and do gravitate to higher-paid management, politics, or the professions, where power and prestige can be significant ego enhancers. However, they are always "close to the edge" emotionally, and are likely to abuse sex, drugs, and alcohol. Also, they may tend to "seek out" excuses to deliberately over-indulge, in order to remove temporarily the stifling "mask of sanity" that never quite fits. Then, when "under the influence" they are more likely to exhibit aggressive, violent, and/or bizarre behavior in inappropriate public places. This odd behavior is the key classic sign of acute dysfunction. Some reference books provide fascinating case histories describing typical incidents.
When one realizes that the antisocial syndrome is pervasive in today's society, what protection is available to the average adult citizen? How can one know the alien body snatcher before any actual overt criminal act? There are two simple test tools available to any perceptive, educated adult: The tools are contrived casual conversation and unobtrusive observation. With these tools one can make a simple first screening test to possibly rule out psychopathic personality in public officials or others:
The psychopath is a dangerously clever "alien reaction machine" that has practiced giving all the correct answers. However, much of that verbal practice will have taken place in institutions or in dysfunctional families in lower-class neighborhoods. When those same answers are given in upscale surroundings, they come out as contrived falsehoods.
Another clue is that the alien machine will not take responsibility, but will tend to "blame others" for misfortunes with drugs, sexual partners, bosses, co- workers, authorities, or whatever. Also, the full-blown psychopath is NEVER altruistic or ethical (except by accident), but may be shrewd enough to pretend altruism as sham behavior (to attract votes). By accepting a psychopath's statements at face value, without cross- checking public records or other sources, a careless or inattentive interviewer can fail to pick up on the frequent lies. For example, to trip up corrupt politicians or self-described "experts", sometimes it is only necessary to compare two different answers to the same or similar questions repeated on two or more different occasions, without involving external sources at all. Any pattern of lies will stand out as outside the norm of ethical conduct. By itself, this discrepancy is insufficient to classify the individual as antisocial, but it is an indication that other tests should be made. * * * * *
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:18 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > should be made. > * * * * *
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David Harmon - 19 Sep 2007 06:05 GMT On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote,
>I then drive until it sputters, pull over and put gas in from the can to >get to a gas station. But then, you /enjoy/ cleaning crud out of your carb after sucking the dregs from the very bottom of 'new' to you gas tank..
Old Crow - 19 Sep 2007 12:09 GMT >On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike >Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >But then, you /enjoy/ cleaning crud out of your carb after sucking the >dregs from the very bottom of 'new' to you gas tank.. Ya know, I always wondered about that. The pickup tube is at the bottom of the tank. Never moves. Most people say that crud collects on the bottom of the tank. Seems like it'd suck the crud up no matter how much gas was in the tank. In support of this, a couple years back we had a local station get a bunch of water in thier tanks during a larger than normal snow storm. I drained full tanks of gas outa 3 different vehicles that refused to run on the water that collected on the bottom of a full tank. -- Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl" '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
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Matt Macchiarolo - 19 Sep 2007 12:52 GMT On my diesel , the worry on an empty tank isn't pulling crud up from the bottom of the tank, but running the fuel pump dry, since the fuel lubricates the pump.
>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike >>Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > '95 YJ Rio Grande > BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM Mike Romain - 19 Sep 2007 15:26 GMT > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:56:38 -0400 in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, Mike > Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But then, you /enjoy/ cleaning crud out of your carb after sucking the > dregs from the very bottom of 'new' to you gas tank.. 'My' fuel pickup has a sock on it and always sucks from the same place near the bottom of the tank. If there is crap there, the amount of fuel in the tank makes no matter.
If there is enough crap to plug the pickup sock or screen, I want to know about it 'now' so I don't get screwed way out in the bush some day running low on fuel.
'Usually' I also do a tune up and oil change on them shortly after buying which also 'includes' a new gas filter.
The only time I ever get 'crud' in my carburetor, is if I run dry on gas and don't have a prime available so it has to crank and crank which 'can' suck charcoal bits out of the charcoal canister and deposit these in the float bowl.
If I have my normal gas can on board, I prime the carb first which prevents this.
On a FI vehicle, this is moot.
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Kate - 19 Sep 2007 20:51 GMT They must've changed the spec sheets in later years, 'cause I have a 2006 Wrangler X and my spec sheet does say 19 gallons. However, the manual states that when the 'low gas, dummy' light comes on, you have approximately 2 gallons of gas left. I have intentionally travelled as far as I have dared around my town with this light on (never more than walking distance from a gas station if it quit), and even when I fill it, I have never been able to put more than 17.5 gallons in it. So I am not sure if the gauge reads wrong, or if the tank is not really a 19 gallon tank. ---
Now you have my curiosity up.... Let me have a lok here.
On my 06 Rubicon Sticker it says it has a 19 gallon tank. I never gave it too much thought but as far as I remember I have never put in more than 15 gallons or so.
I usually don't run much lower than the last quarter anyway....
Kate
Old Crow - 20 Sep 2007 11:02 GMT >They must've changed the spec sheets in later years, 'cause I have a >2006 Wrangler X and my spec sheet does say 19 gallons. However, the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Kate Another thought. Do you just stop filling when the nozzle shuts off, or do you fill the tank all the way? -- Old Crow "Yol Bolson!" '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl" '95 YJ Rio Grande BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
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dougk - 27 Sep 2007 08:03 GMT "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote:
> On my 06 Rubicon Sticker it says it has a 19 gallon tank. > I never gave it too much thought but as far as I remember I have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Kate FYI: I ran my '06 Rubi dry early on and found the 19-gal tank actually holds 20 by topping off. And the 'low fuel' light means 4 gallons left, since I can get 16 gallons in right then.
So, others should be the same, depending on factory weirdness...and how deep your tank dents are. :)
dougk
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 18 Sep 2007 06:22 GMT Bingo! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> I can't imagine why they would do that either, unless it was to make > some easy money on people ordering the upgrade to the 20 gallon tank. > There are sites all over the net on how to do the fix though. > > Chris
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24Bit® - 18 Sep 2007 07:32 GMT On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:22:29 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
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> Bingo! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Chris Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age 60 or so, then tapers off.
Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly dissociated state, revealing a low-state autonomic nervous system and lack of anxiety. It's difficult to say what motivates them - control and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no long-standing bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other than the planning of violence).
They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism. Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the low-fear hypothesis). It's helpful to think of them as high-speed vehicles with ineffective brakes.
Certain organic (brain) disorders and hormonal imbalances mimic the state of mind of a psychopath.
There are four (4) different subtypes of psychopaths. The oldest distinction was made by Cleckley back in 1941 between primary and secondary.
PRIMARY PSYCHOPATHS do not respond to punishment, apprehension, stress, or disapproval. They seem to be able to inhibit their antisocial impulses most of the time, not because of conscience, but because it suits their purpose at the time. Words do not seem to have the same meaning for them as they do for us. In fact, it's unclear if they even grasp the meaning of their own words, a condition that Cleckley called "semantic aphasia." They don't follow any life plan, and it seems as if they are incapable of experiencing any genuine emotion.
SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to stress as the average person. (This suggests that they are not "fully psychopathic." This may be due to distinctive genetic variations.)
They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation. Both primary and secondary psychopaths can be subdivided into:
DISTEMPERED PSYCHOPATHS are the kind that seem to fly into a rage or frenzy more easily and more often than other subtypes. Their frenzy will resemble an epileptic fit. They are also usually men with incredibly strong sex drives, capable of astonishing feats of sexual energy, and seemingly obsessed by sexual urges during a large part of their waking lives. Powerful cravings also seem to characterize them, as in drug addiction, kleptomania, pedophilia, any illicit or illegal indulgence. They like the endorphin "high" or "rush" off of excitement and risk-taking. The serial-rapist-murderer known as the Boston Strangler was such a psychopath.
CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for example, might be psychopaths if they lead their followers to their deaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions. They are irresistible.
Sociopaths have always existed in varying form and to various degrees. They have been known by various titles. They have been studied using various techniques, and through the years their ailment has been blamed on various causes. But one thing never varies: all sociopaths share three common characteristics. They are all very egocentric individuals with no empathy for others, and they are incapable of feeling remorse or guilt. [The Sociopath Rebecca Horton (April 1999)]
While the psychopath has likes and dislikes and fondness for the pleasures that human company can bring, analysis shows that he is completely egocentric, valuing others only for their enhancement of his own pleasure or status. While he gives no real love, he is quite capable of inspiring love of sometimes fanatical degree in others.
He is generally superficially charming and often makes a striking impression as possessed of the noblest of human qualities. He makes friends easily, and is very manipulative, using his ability with words to talk his way out of trouble. Many psychopaths love to be admired and bask in the adulation of others.
With the lack of love, there is also a lack of empathy. The psychopath is unable to feel sorry for others in unfortunate situations or put himself in another's place, whether or not they have been harmed by him.[Gordon Banks]
How Psychopaths View The World Not only do they covet possessions and power, but they gain special pleasure in usurping and taking from others (a symbolic sibling, for example); what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor.
And once having drained what they can from one source, they turn to another to exploit, bleed, and then cast aside; their pleasure in the misfortune of others is unquenchable. People are used as a means to an end; they are to be subordinated and demeaned so that the antisocial can vindicate themselves...
The causes of this sociopathic disorder have been narrowed to several factors through research. One of the primary causes of sociopathic behavior is believed to be neurological abnormalities mainly in the frontal lobe of the brain. This area is also related to fear conditioning. The abnormal anatomy or chemical activity within this area of the brain may be caused by abnormal growth (possibly genetic), brain disease, or injury. This theory has been supported by much research using positron emission tomography (PET) which visually shows the metabolic activity of neurons within the brain (Sabbatini, 1998).
The amygdalae, two small regions buried near the base of the brain, have long been known to affect aggression, sexuality and recklessness. Recently, they have also been shown to affect how people interpret the emotions of others. Subtle damage to the amygdalae may explain many of the characteristics of psychopaths - including the difficulty of getting through to them emotionally. It may be that they simply cannot "see" emotions in others. [Are You Married to a Psychopath?]
The psychopath is a manipulator, who knows exactly what makes us tick and knows how to manipulate and influence our feelings.
They have the talent to spot kind, caring women.
Mimicry is often used to convince others that the psychopath is a normal human being. He does this to create a false empathy with his victim. The psychopath will try to make you believe he has normal emotions by spinning some sad tale or professing profound, moving experiences; the truth is, most psychopaths go through life as in an incubator, touched by few and having no real compassion for others; but they will lie to convince you that they have normal emotions.
The pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor" people.
Lying is like breathing to the psychopath. When caught in a lie and challenged, they make up new lies, and don't care if they're found out. As Hare states,
"Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for psychopaths...When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed -- they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory statements and a thoroughly confused listener." [Hare].
Often, their behavior serves to confuse and repress their victims, or to influence anyone who might listen to the psychopath's side of the story.
Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they achieve this.
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 18 Sep 2007 21:05 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or > development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they > achieve this.
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24Bit® - 19 Sep 2007 06:37 GMT On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:05:24 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
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> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, >over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, [quoted text clipped - 215 lines] >> Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they >> achieve this. Message-ID: <46f023b5$0$14912$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>
ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY, SOCIOPATHY, AND PSYCHOPATHY
Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) is practically synonymous with criminal behavior, but as with all distributions of a disease or whatever in a population, it is probable that the majority of people with this particular affliction are law-abiding. Aging, overinvolvements, and/or relationships might hold sway over the control (or lack of control) in these kind of people, and although approaching the study of offenders from a relationship & personality disorders point of view may or may not be productive, Dr. Drew is probably an adequate source of information on such matters. Dr. Drew's theory (and one with wide ramifications since he pretty much defines an antisocial tendency as thinking about one's self first) is that women with certain kinds of disorders, like borderline personality disorders, tend to be attracted to and hook up with men who manifest symptoms of psychopathic personality disorder (see Lecture on BPD & OCD) and that such match-ups may or may not be dysfunctional. On the other hand, the field of criminology tends to treat APD as so synonymous, in fact, with criminal behavior that practically all convicted criminals (65-75%) have it, with criminologists often referring to it as a "wastebasket" category. Antisocials come is all shapes and sizes, and psychologists consider the juvenile version of it to be a juvenile conduct disorder. The main characteristic of it is a complete and utter disregard for the rights of others and the rules of society. They seldom show anxiety and don't feel guilt. Although many people would hope that there's an effective treatment, there's really no effective treatment for them other than locking them up in a secure facility with such rigid rules that they cannot talk their way out. A full list of APD traits would include:
"List of Antisocial Personality Disorder Traits"
Sense of entitlement; Unremorseful; Apathetic to others; Unconscionable behavior; Blameful of others; Manipulative and conning; Affectively cold; Disparate understanding; Socially irresponsible; Disregardful of obligations; Nonconforming to norms; Irresponsible.
whereas the DSM-IV "clinical" features of Antisocial Personality Disorder (with a person having at least three of these characteristics) are:
"Clinical Symptoms for an Antisocial Personality Disorder Diagnosis"
1. Failure to conform to social norms; 2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness; 3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead; 4. Irritability, aggressiveness; 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others; 6. Consistent irresponsibility; 7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person.
Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad. The term "sociopath" is frequently used by psychologists and sociologists alike in referring to persons whose unsocialized character is due primarily to parental failures (usually fatherlessness) rather than an inherent feature of temperament. Lykken (1995), for example, clearly distinguishes between the sociopath (who is socialized into becoming a psychopath) and a "true" psychopath (who is born that way). However, this may only describe the "common sociopath", as there are at least four (4) different subtypes -- common, alienated, aggressive, and dyssocial. Commons are characterized mostly by their lack of conscience; the alienated by their inability to love or be loved; aggressives by a consistent sadistic streak; and dyssocials by an ability to abide by gang rules, as long as those rules are the wrong rules. As Stout (2005) indicates, it only takes three of the following to be defined as a sociopath, and some common sociopathic traits include:
"List of Common Sociopathic Traits"
Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect; Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex; Lack of interest in bonding with a mate.
Psychopathy is a concept subject to much debate, but is usually defined as a constellation of affective, interpersonal, and behavioral characteristics including egocentricity; impulsivity; irresponsibility; shallow emotions; lack of empathy, guilt, or remorse; pathological lying; manipulativeness; and the persistent violation of social norms and expectations (Cleckley 1976; Hare 1993). The crimes of psychopaths are usually stone-cold, remorseless killings for no apparent reason. They cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. In many ways, they are natural-born intraspecies predators who satisfy their lust for power and control by charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence. While almost all societies would regard them as criminals (the exception being frontier or warlike societies where they might become heroes, patriots, or leaders), it's important to distinguish their behavior from criminal behavior. As a common axiom goes in psychology, MOST PSYCHOPATHS ARE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITIES BUT NOT ALL ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITIES ARE PSYCHOPATHS. This is because APD is defined mainly by behaviors (Factor 2 antisocial behaviors) and doesn't tap the affective/interpersonal dimensions (Factor 1 core psychopathic features, narcissism) of psychopathy. Further, criminals and APDs tend to "age out" of crime; psychopaths do not, and are at high risk of recidivism. Psychopaths love to intellectualize in treatment with their half-baked understanding of rules. Like the Star Trek character, Spock, their reasoning cannot handle any mix of cognition and emotion. They are calculating predators who, when trapped, will attempt escape, create a nuisance and danger to staff, be a disruptive influence on other patients or inmates, and fake symptoms to get transferred, bouncing back and forth between institutions. The common features of psychopathic traits (the PCL-R items) are:
"List of Common Psychopathic Traits"
Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility.
"DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER"
The diagnosis of APD has long been controversial. The criteria for it seem to change with each and every new edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-I 1968; DSM-II 1976; DSM-III 1980; DSM-III-R 1987; DSM-IV 1994). The diagnosis was substantially changed with DSM-III when the APA decided to distinguish between child and adult characteristics, and essentially substituted behavioral criteria (like truancy or law violations) for personality criteria (like callousness and selfishness). In the DSM-III-R (R for Revised), the focus was on violence and a list of violent acts (fighting, cruelty to others, cruelty to animals). The current DSM-IV approach essentially says that anything which is not sociopathy, psychopathy or dyssocial personality disorder is antisocial personality disorder, but there is considerable overlap. The diagnostic possibilities are endless; there are at least 3 million possible variations of symptoms on at least 62 different measurable items.
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