Car Forum / Jeep / September 2007
97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
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jamest - 18 Sep 2007 19:22 GMT Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each way. When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley. Tracked it down last night finally.
Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-) Local Part Monger - $81.00
I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
c - 18 Sep 2007 19:47 GMT > Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each > way. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I guess we are going Chinese on this part. Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
Chris
SnoMan - 18 Sep 2007 23:03 GMT >> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each >> way. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Chris And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan, it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up on parts. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
c - 19 Sep 2007 03:02 GMT >>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each >>> way. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com The stories I could tell you about that. When I worked for a company here that makes hydraulic components, we made a few part numbers for Diamond Star. They were power steering hoses. One of the parts we made was identical to one found on a co-worker's truck, so we called the local dealer to get a price on the hose. I don't remember the exact numbers, but the hose cost from the dealer was about $140. We were selling that same hose to Diamond Star for about $12.50.
Chris
reboot - 19 Sep 2007 03:07 GMT >>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each >>> way. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com you're right, chrysler doesn't produce it, a supplier does. and typically the suppliers are obliged under contract to supply the part at the volume price (probably under $25 for this kind of part) for service through the end of the model run and three years afterwards.
after that, the suppliers can raise prices as much as they can negotiate with Mopar. considering how aggressive the Big 3 purchasing departments have been on suppliers for current production parts, the suppliers are getting aggressive pushing prices up where ever they can. service parts are one of these areas.
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DougW - 19 Sep 2007 03:26 GMT > you're right, chrysler doesn't produce it, a supplier does. and > typically the suppliers are obliged under contract to supply the part [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > suppliers are getting aggressive pushing prices up where ever they > can. service parts are one of these areas. I've found that some dealerships will haggle over parts just like they do cars. Quite often I can get the "jobber" rate or a discount due to where I work.
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nrs - 18 Sep 2007 23:42 GMT > Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each > way. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I guess we are going Chinese on this part. For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few HPs as well.
DougW - 19 Sep 2007 00:09 GMT >> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each >> way. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few > HPs as well. Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
chryslerpartsdirect.com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10 On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
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nrs - 19 Sep 2007 16:13 GMT On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address> wrote:
> >> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each > >> way. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > DougW Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 19 Sep 2007 21:56 GMT http://www.billhughes.com/temp/CherokeeDrag.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com
> Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
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24Bit® - 21 Sep 2007 17:51 GMT On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:56:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III" <LWBillHughes@hughes.net> wrote:
> http://www.billhughes.com/temp/CherokeeDrag.htm > Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY AN ENDEMIC SOCIAL DISEASE, A MASK OF SANITY
This introduction to "alien reaction machines" in human form describes individuals with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (APD), Sociopaths, and Psychopaths.
(In referring to these entities below, I use "that" instead of "who" to reinforce the distinction between machine-like reactions and normal human behavior.)
There is considerable overlap of symptoms as medical researchers have refined the classifications. One of the links below provides detailed distinctions among these definitions. It also includes an extensive bibliography. In this essay, next, however, the older, generic term "psychopath" is used.
A psychopath is a person who appears normal on the surface, until he/she performs some outrageous criminal act. At that point it has been customary to label the behavior as temporary "insanity", but that is a legal term, not a medical one. The prison psychiatric hospital environment greatly reduces the options for the new patient to make the kind of independent decisions that caused the original trouble in open society. In this controlled environment he/she appears normal, shows no overt signs of psychosis, passes all probing tests with flying colors, and is discharged as "cured". On the street again, more crimes are committed, and the cycle repeats. Thus, these individuals fall through the cracks between law and medicine.
Most people, including judges and juries, are still unable to make the distinction that not all prison inmates are psychopaths and not all antisocial individuals are convicted criminals. The links below can be confusing unless one is aware that the label "psychopathic personality" was the original descriptive term for today's aggressive "antisocial personality". The new euphemism is an obfuscation of an unpleasant truth about people we are forced to deal with on a daily basis. It is difficult for all of us, especially when associating with disruptive school children, whose unearned "self esteem" must be protected at all costs. In the literature one can expect to see both the new and the old terms, without much distinction between them.
Western industrial civilization has developed a complex set of rules of behavior for its citizens. These rules have evolved from the need for cooperative organization in order to produce the goods and services actually needed by society for minimum survival as a group, and also to produce the intangible benefits that make that survival tolerable for the individual. It makes most sense to reserve the greatest rewards to those individuals who produce the most goods and services of the highest quality. Most people understand they need specialized training for any role above some minimum level, and they must compete for that training, and later compete on the job itself. They understand that the need for group survival dictates the rules of the game, and they must not disrupt the group process by uncooperative, dishonest, unethical, or violent behavior, or flagrant violation of the rules.
Psychopaths believe they are "entitled" to the lifestyle benefits of Western Civilization that most people only hope for as a potential reward for outstanding job performance, organizational loyalty, and smooth cooperation with other members of a team. Psychopaths can't or won't work at the high performance level that might logically provide upscale benefits. At a lower level where they might be more qualified, they feel that any menial, boring, dirty, or disgusting WORK is "beneath" them. Thus, whether at a high level or low level, any meaningful, honest "work" is a dirty word to a psychopath.
With extraordinary assistance from motivated parents, some more intelligent, but still antisocial people can and do gravitate to higher-paid management, politics, or the professions, where power and prestige can be significant ego enhancers. However, they are always "close to the edge" emotionally, and are likely to abuse sex, drugs, and alcohol. Also, they may tend to "seek out" excuses to deliberately over-indulge, in order to remove temporarily the stifling "mask of sanity" that never quite fits. Then, when "under the influence" they are more likely to exhibit aggressive, violent, and/or bizarre behavior in inappropriate public places. This odd behavior is the key classic sign of acute dysfunction. Some reference books provide fascinating case histories describing typical incidents.
When one realizes that the antisocial syndrome is pervasive in today's society, what protection is available to the average adult citizen? How can one know the alien body snatcher before any actual overt criminal act? There are two simple test tools available to any perceptive, educated adult: The tools are contrived casual conversation and unobtrusive observation. With these tools one can make a simple first screening test to possibly rule out psychopathic personality in public officials or others:
The psychopath is a dangerously clever "alien reaction machine" that has practiced giving all the correct answers. However, much of that verbal practice will have taken place in institutions or in dysfunctional families in lower-class neighborhoods. When those same answers are given in upscale surroundings, they come out as contrived falsehoods.
Another clue is that the alien machine will not take responsibility, but will tend to "blame others" for misfortunes with drugs, sexual partners, bosses, co- workers, authorities, or whatever. Also, the full-blown psychopath is NEVER altruistic or ethical (except by accident), but may be shrewd enough to pretend altruism as sham behavior (to attract votes). By accepting a psychopath's statements at face value, without cross- checking public records or other sources, a careless or inattentive interviewer can fail to pick up on the frequent lies. For example, to trip up corrupt politicians or self-described "experts", sometimes it is only necessary to compare two different answers to the same or similar questions repeated on two or more different occasions, without involving external sources at all. Any pattern of lies will stand out as outside the norm of ethical conduct. By itself, this discrepancy is insufficient to classify the individual as antisocial, but it is an indication that other tests should be made. * * * * *
L.W. (Bill) Hughes III - 21 Sep 2007 21:17 GMT There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless! Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com, fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net, abuse@teranews.com for forgery. I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out! Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court. When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a man?????????? People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a hundred eighty out from any Capricorn. Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!! Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo. You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you suggest!!!!! If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego Sheriffs Department. I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said contradicts it's self. You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward. I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!! I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III You're not fooling anyone, faggot! You need to get back in the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/faggots like you at the top of your groups! :-) The only reason you write me trying to put down my friends and my Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that, coward. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > should be made. > * * * * *
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DougW - 20 Sep 2007 01:30 GMT > On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> chryslerpartsdirect.com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10 >> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
> Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP! You can never have enough HP, just too little traction. :)
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jamest - 23 Sep 2007 15:28 GMT Turns out the 'cheap' part is made in USA as well. Good News!!
On Sep 19, 8:30 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address> wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > DougW
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