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Car Forum / Jeep / September 2007Where to mount an auxillary battery.
The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew allot of amps when he used it. So I got to thinking that an auxillary battery would be a good idea. The question is, where to mount it. My preference would be under the hood but as you well know there isn't much room under there. Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all possible.  SignatureKate 2O|||||||O6 rubicon ______ /l ,[____], l-L -OlllllllO- ()_)-()_)--)_) The shortest distance between two points, is a lot more fun in a Jeep! > The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew > allot of amps when he used it. So I got to thinking that an > auxillary battery would be a good idea. Another idea would be to rig a hand throttle so when you use the winch you keep the engine running fast enough to keep the battery charged. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >Another idea would be to rig a hand throttle so when you use the winch >you keep the engine running fast enough to keep the battery charged. The alternator cannot begin to keep up with the demand of a serious electric winch. Dual batteries is far more viable plus it works even with engine is dead. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote: > The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew > allot of amps when he used it. So I got to thinking that an > auxillary battery would be a good idea. Another idea would be to rig a hand throttle so when you use the winch you keep the engine running fast enough to keep the battery charged. SignatureThat might be a good idea. I read not too long ago how a guy made one out of pretty inexpensive parts form the gear shift handle taken off of a bicycle. I imagine if done right it would look pretty good. Kate A winch can use 450 amps, the alternator can deliver only around 117. Dave > > The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew > > allot of amps when he used it. So I got to thinking that an > > auxillary battery would be a good idea. > > Another idea would be to rig a hand throttle so when you use the winch > you keep the engine running fast enough to keep the battery charged. > A winch can use 450 amps, the alternator can deliver only around > 117. More than adequate, your only trying to keep from killing the battery. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org http://kilbyenterprises.com/web-instructions/KE-TJ-DBT1-2.pdf > The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew allot of > amps [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all > possible. I second that motion! Just remember not to put the winch on the side terminals of a battery. Folks have melted a lot of Optima's doing that. -jenn >>http://kilbyenterprises.com/web-instructions/KE-TJ-DBT1-2.pdf >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all >>> possible. I second that motion! Just remember not to put the winch on the side terminals of a battery. Folks have melted a lot of Optima's doing that. -jenn Boy oh boy, it's a good thing you told me that. I had planned on connecting it to the side terminals. Thanks Jenn! Kate For a trick setup, you might want to cut off the normal battery connections on the battery wires and put on some big honkin round hole connectors, then get some marine-style battery terminals, that the cables attach to with a wing nut. It makes it easy to disconnect your battery without tools, and attaching the winch power leads are a snap. > I second that motion! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Kate Good idea Matt... I'll throw it at the hubster. Kate For a trick setup, you might want to cut off the normal battery connections on the battery wires and put on some big honkin round hole connectors, then get some marine-style battery terminals, that the cables attach to with a wing nut. It makes it easy to disconnect your battery without tools, and attaching the winch power leads are a snap. > I second that motion! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Kate It was sort of mentioned by Jenn, but a good isolator is also a really good idea so each battery is independent. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > Good idea Matt... > I'll throw it at the hubster. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Kate Yes, thank you. I already knew that... well.. I learned about it when hubs told me we should have one. Kate It was sort of mentioned by Jenn, but a good isolator is also a really good idea so each battery is independent. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Kate wrote: > Good idea Matt... > I'll throw it at the hubster. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Kate Kilby sells MilSpec ends too. -jenn >>For a trick setup, you might want to cut off the normal battery connections >>on the battery wires and put on some big honkin round hole connectors, then [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> >>> Kate >> The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew allot of >> amps [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all >> possible. I don't want to sound like a grammar Nazi, but "allot" is not used correctly in your post. You should use "a lot" in this case. :) Chris >> The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew allot of >> amps [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all >> possible. I don't want to sound like a grammar Nazi, but "allot" is not used correctly in your post. You should use "a lot" in this case. :) Chris No problem, I'm never too old to learn. ;¬) Kate I would bet you're kinda boring on the Jeep trail. Do some call you girlie man? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I don't want to sound like a grammar Nazi, but "allot" is not used > correctly in your post. You should use "a lot" in this case. :) > > Chris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com http://kilbyenterprises.com/web-instructions/KE-TJ-DBT1-2.pdf Very nice! Kate - Kilby's setup is the one I have in the MudBall. RE hand throttle too.... -jenn >>http://kilbyenterprises.com/web-instructions/KE-TJ-DBT1-2.pdf >> >>Very nice! Kate - Kilby's setup is the one I have in the MudBall. RE hand throttle too.... -jenn Thanks Jenn... It looks like a good unit to me. Kate NW Wrangler also makes a dual battery tray for whatever their batteries are. Dont have the link handy, but NW Wrangler is a Portland OR company. I have their isolator kit on my dual battery set up. >>http://kilbyenterprises.com/web-instructions/KE-TJ-DBT1-2.pdf >> >>Very nice! > The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew allot of amps > when he used it. So I got to thinking that an auxillary battery would be a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all > possible. I use a hand throttle to keep my rpm up so the alternator is putting out good and have never had issues. Even on a three weekend long cleanup of an off road area where I was responsible for winching all the wrecks up onto the trail so the bigger rigs could drag them out. I use an old fashioned manual choke cable as my hand throttle, you can get them cheap. I believe you also can get dual battery trays for a TJ can't you? Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Yes You can get duel batter trays for the TJ and the YJ. Here are a few links to give you a idea what you can do. YJ http://www.quadratec.com/products/TMB-1034-T.htm TJ http://www.quadratec.com/products/17004_100.htm 99 wrangler 31 inch good year mtr tires warn M8000 winch 2.5 lift skyjacker shocks a lot of lights (winch,hood,bumper, wind shield) Even more toys to come Some people have an addiction to drink... Some people have an addiction to drugs.... I just have an addiction to Jeeps and their accessories.... Here are a few pictures of my rig http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc222/99_wrangler Kate wrote: > The guy that gave me the winch (the EX Mr. Kate) said it drew allot of > amps [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ideas? I'd prefer not to put it in the back of the interior if at all > possible. I use a hand throttle to keep my rpm up so the alternator is putting out good and have never had issues. Even on a three weekend long cleanup of an off road area where I was responsible for winching all the wrecks up onto the trail so the bigger rigs could drag them out. I use an old fashioned manual choke cable as my hand throttle, you can get them cheap. I believe you also can get dual battery trays for a TJ can't you? Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Thanks Mike, .. Above there is a link to a dual battery tray. they $ure are proud of them but what the heck. I like the choke idea too. It could integrate right into the dash without looking like an add on. I'm planning additional lights too. I thought that the dual battery thing might ba a good idea. It wouldn't cost THAT much and would be good backup. Kate Real Jeeps come stock with a hand throttle to operate their Power Take Off winch: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/handThrottle.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > I use a hand throttle to keep my rpm up so the alternator is putting out > good and have never had issues. Even on a three weekend long cleanup of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > get them cheap. ><snip> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com My S2A Landy had a PTO winch and hand throttle. There was always one passenger who throught it was the heater controls (which frankly it looked like) leading to entertaining moments when driving along. The winch had a 75:1 ratio, so you could put in the winch handle (required to engage the cogs), put the ignition on, and start the vehicle when the battery was flat, like some vintage car. There was also a PTO hole in the rear bumper - you could get a kit to run a shaft out the back of the transfer case - some people used that to run saw mill attachments or shredders ; forestry or farming stuff. Since I'm waxing lyrical, the floor pan rusted away on it (the body was mostly aluminium) - I cut up mum's old washing machine and seam welded a new floor pan in. I could have simply rivetted it in as it wasn't structural, but it was all part of learning to weld. Happy days ! Dave Milne, Scotland > Real Jeeps come stock with a hand throttle to operate their Power Take > Off winch: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/handThrottle.jpg [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > get them cheap. > ><snip> Hi Dave, It's too bad the car manufacturers must make their cars idiot proof for litigious reasons, there are many times when a hand throttle is needed. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > My S2A Landy had a PTO winch and hand throttle. There was always one > passenger who throught it was the heater controls (which frankly it looked [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > get them cheap. > > ><snip> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Yes, this was a much better item than RE bicycle idea. I also liked the lockable tool box underneath the passenger seat. The fuel tank was under the driver's seat, with a real decent skid plate on it. What with fully floating axles and the ability to wash them out with a hose, they weren't bad vehicles. Shame the 2.25 litre engines let them down. Some of the long wheel bases had the "Salisbury" rear axle - effectively a Dana 60. Dave. > Hi Dave, > It's too bad the car manufacturers must make their cars idiot proof for > litigious reasons, there are many times when a hand throttle is needed. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ >>Above there is a link to a dual battery tray. >>they $ure are proud of them but what the heck. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>I'm planning additional lights too. I thought that the dual battery thing >>might ba a good idea. It wouldn't cost THAT much and would be good backup. Just a suggestion, but my basic set up is that all the aux stuff, lights, winch, etc are on the aux batterie (yellow top) and I only use the other (red top) for starting. However when the engine is running they are both charging. When the engine is off they are seperate. Now if only I can remember, if there is a next time, to swap the batteries if I kill the red top! Its called being paranoid. But... I run the lights, winch, gps, etc, and of course the fridge/freezer when we are out on the trail (all off the yellow top). Dont want a dead battery out there. -jenn |
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