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Car Forum / Jeep / December 2007

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Intermittent turn signal problems 2001 TJ

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Kevin Grayson - 15 Nov 2007 06:22 GMT
My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently not
working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50 minutes).
Hazards work, but moving the turn signal stalk up and down results in no
clicking or lights. The signals remain inoperative until the vehicle is
driven, usually only a short distance (across parking lot to perhaps a
quarter mile), then all function is normal. Dealer has replaced (under
extended warranty) first turn signal stalk/switch and today the flasher
module under the top of the steering column. Here is the seemingly weird
part; tonight the turn signals again did not work (hazards work OK) after
the Jeep sat a while; moving the stalk did cause a faint flicker of the
signal indicator on the instrument panel that wasn't visible during the day.
Also, I noticed that with my foot on the brake, the brake light would go out
on the side the turn signal stalk was moved to until the stalk was moved to
neutral. Seems like the stalk is switching OK and what ever cuts current to
the signalling brake light is working, but the lights don't flash. I'll
relay this all to the dealer but I would love to here what the guru's have
to say. I am going to let the dealer have the vehicle while out of town so
they can see the problem first hand after it has sat. These intermittent
things can be a real pain to track down I know. I'll let you all know the
problem is in any event after we get it tracked down. Thanks for reading.

Kevin
2001 Jeep TJ Sahara
DougW - 15 Nov 2007 12:11 GMT
> My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently
> not working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50
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> pain to track down I know. I'll let you all know the problem is in
> any event after we get it tracked down. Thanks for reading.

I'd start checking the wiring and the body grounds.
Almost sounds like a bad harness, but can't rule out a bad
ground connection.

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DougW - 15 Nov 2007 12:15 GMT
>> My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently
>> not working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50
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> Almost sounds like a bad harness, but can't rule out a bad
> ground connection.

Second thought.  Do you have a tow hitch and lights?  If the socket
or the wires running to it get damaged, that can cause problems.
(not very common, but worth checking)
Kevin Grayson - 15 Nov 2007 16:13 GMT
>>> My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently
>>> not working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> or the wires running to it get damaged, that can cause problems.
> (not very common, but worth checking)

I do have the Mopar trailer light harness teed into the wiring at the left
rear turn signal. I'll let the dealer know. Thanks.
KByington - 15 Nov 2007 13:30 GMT
I owned a 2001 TJ.  There's a known problem with the switch component
in the steering column.  I had similar issues and it took the dealer
three tries to get one that solved the problems.  On mine the turn
indicators would stop working intermittently.  After three new switch
components the issues magically went away.

> My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently not
> working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50 minutes).
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Kevin
> 2001 Jeep TJ Sahara
philthy - 17 Nov 2007 20:22 GMT
bad ground for that circuit.
do you have tube type covers over your rear lites
i have seen those covers take the ground away from the lites and they not work

> My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently not
> working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50 minutes).
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Kevin
> 2001 Jeep TJ Sahara
Kevin Grayson - 18 Dec 2007 03:26 GMT
> My 2001 TJ's (4.0 5spd Sahara) turn signals have been intermittently not
> working at start-up after the Jeep sits a while (as short as ~50 minutes).
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Kevin
> 2001 Jeep TJ Sahara
Well, the dealer has gone on to replace the instrument panel and the the
ignition switch. Still has the problem. A few new things I noticed; the
faint flicker issue I noted only happens when the brake pedal is pressed. If
I move the turn signal stalk up slowly I could get the right signals to
light up continuously, but on the left I could only get the light to flicker
as the switch moved down. With the hazards (that always work) I noticed that
the left side lights as a steady light first then the right and then goes to
flashing both if I press the switch in very slowly; is that normal
operation? Also, when ever I activate the turn signals (when they are
working) that the initial flash is a rapid double flash (can be not noticed
if not paying attention). The first half of the double is much shorter than
the second flash. I have also taken to noticing a soft click sound that
preceeds the turn signals going back to normal operation; sounds like a
softer version of the normal  turn signal click.

The dealer most recently had the jeep in the shop with the column cover off
and the signals acting up. They pulled and reseated the (replacement)
flasher and they started to work. They think that maybe the replacement
flasher was bad also. With all the various things that happen (or not) it
seems the problem in the turn signal circuit should be able to be isolated
or least point to where in the circuit the problem may liy. I suspect a bad
wire/connector in the harness somewhere that is intermittent. And thank God
for the extended warranty (instrument cluster alone is almost $1000 msrp). I
really like this Jeep, it has been otherwise solid and hope they can get
this tracked down; not good to not have turn signals in town with snow and
ice! I'll keep you all updated and appreciate any suggestions

Kevin
2001 Jeep TJ Sahara
p.s. my wife (who is newer than the Jeep) is not very found of the Jeep
(getting in and out, etc) and we're expecting next year; she won't be
excited about me driving the baby around without all the safety equipment
working!
 
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