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K & N Air Filter Questions

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Skyslider - 27 Jan 2008 16:12 GMT
I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
Lots of dust here in the desert..

I used one on my previous vehicle (2001 Honda Passport SUV) and I
think it was actually a liability after 50,000 miles. And yes I
cleaned it as needed.

Skyslider
Frank_v7.0 - 27 Jan 2008 17:08 GMT
> I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Skyslider
I have the MoPar version of the K&N on my '04 TJ I6. I change my oil
every 3K miles and clean the filter every second oil change following
the instructions on the cleaning kit (P5153376). I check for crud
buildup in the aluminum tube when i pull the filter for cleaning. I've
got over 50K miles on my TJ and I don't burn a measurable amount between
oil changes and with new NGK plugs every 20K miles. I live in Arizona,
but up in the White Mountains. No doubt you get a lot more dust than I do.

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FRH

Pink Freud©® - 27 Jan 2008 23:59 GMT
> I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Skyslider

I've got a K&N intake teamed with a self-designed custom exhaust
system and a MagnaFlow muffler. (it's actually an off-road intake, on a
full-size Chrysler, not street legal, but who cares....)

The HP and torque has increased dramatically, as has the gas metrage
(mileage down in the US).

British Columbia uses CARB standards plus more, very stringent, and I
glide through the mandatory AirCare check with stats far better than
other cars of the same general type.

Of course, we don't get much dust on the coast, just RAIN, but people in
the BC interior do in the summer, and they have reported similar results.

Not quite what you asked, but it is something you can consider.....

PF

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Skyslider - 28 Jan 2008 02:17 GMT
On Jan 27, 3:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:
> > I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> > Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>                   -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
standard paper filter.....
Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
In any event I think I'll pick another one up..

Skyslider
Earle Horton - 28 Jan 2008 02:53 GMT
On Jan 27, 3:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:12:17 -0800, Skyslider wrote:
> > I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
>                   -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
standard paper filter.....
Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
In any event I think I'll pick another one up..

Skyslider
--- --- --- --- --- ---
If you live in the desert with lots of dust a good option is to use the
paper filters and change them frequently.  You can get a sock type thing to
go over the K&N off road filters but what's the point of an off road filter
with additional restriction?  Do not clean the paper filters.  The dust gets
in there, damaging the paper fibers.  Then when you hit it with water or air
it just damages it more on the way out.  If you vacuumed it the dust would
still damage it some.  I have a shop vac filter that is designed to be
cleaned with a garden hose, but your car filter is not.

I have had a K&N on my Jeep for 80,000 miles but I clean it regularly and do
not let it get covered with congealed dust bunnies like some people do.

Cheers,

Earle
Frank_v7.0 - 28 Jan 2008 03:03 GMT
> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
> standard paper filter.....
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Skyslider

The dealer I bought the MoPar filter from said since it was a Chrysler
Performance Part it wouldn't affect my warranty. That's why I went with
that one over the K&N. I would have waited until my 3/36 warranty had
expired before using a K&N filter. As a practical matter they're almost
identical except for the MoPar logo :-)
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Skyslider - 28 Jan 2008 04:14 GMT
> > Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
> > standard paper filter.....
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> --
> FRH

Frank I checked...K & N claims it violates No warranties. What is
retail price for the Mopar version. K & N retails for around 40
dollars.

Now I DO recall the extra power it delivers. Many buyers claim 2mpg
improvement in mileage. I call that significant these days..

Skyslider
Frank_v7.0 - 28 Jan 2008 04:47 GMT
>>> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
>>> standard paper filter.....
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Skyslider
Light bulb comes on over Frank's head :-) You're talking about the
replacement for the stock air filter. I'm talking about the complete
intake system (Chrysler P5153368). A bit more than $40. Sorry about the
mix up. But it does get better mileage than stock and a bit more power
(enough to notice).

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Pink Freud©® - 28 Jan 2008 05:23 GMT
>>>> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
>>>> standard paper filter.....
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> mix up. But it does get better mileage than stock and a bit more power
> (enough to notice).

And a second bulb illuminates over mine.

Same deal, the entire intake system, not just the filter.

Retails @ ~ U$D 350.00....

Whether that violates the warranty, I knoweth not. It doth violate my
local regs for street use, but so far it's not been an issue.

PF

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Earle Horton - 28 Jan 2008 16:50 GMT
>>>>> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
>>>>> standard paper filter.....
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Whether that violates the warranty, I knoweth not. It doth violate my
> local regs for street use, but so far it's not been an issue.

The one I bought from Turbo City claims to be CARB compliant.  It is a bit
noiser than the stock intake, and as far as "local regs" in Colorado, no
such animal.

Cheers,

Earle
L.W.(ßill)Hughes III - 28 Jan 2008 22:30 GMT
Wipe your finger on the inside of the tube that runs between the stock
paper air filter and throttle butterfly, it'll be the last time it is clean
if you install a K&N.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
       mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
 http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

> I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Skyslider

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Pink Freud®© - 30 Jan 2008 19:37 GMT
>     Wipe your finger on the inside of the tube that runs between the stock
> paper air filter and throttle butterfly, it'll be the last time it is clean
> if you install a K&N.

Billshit.

You're just used to sticking your fingers into filthy holes and tubes.

>         God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>         mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>> Skyslider

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Skyslider - 31 Jan 2008 00:39 GMT
On Jan 28, 2:30 pm, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III"
<BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote:
>     Wipe your finger on the inside of the tube that runs between the stock
> paper air filter and throttle butterfly, it'll be the last time it is clean
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

First time I've heard of that Bill...

Skyslider
RiverRunner66 - 31 Jan 2008 01:44 GMT
Just remember this.  More power, means more air is required.  KN has larger
air passages, thus a grain of dirt will make it past the KN an not the stock
filter.  I have a KN, and really not that impressed with it.  When I get rid
of it, there are new ones on the market, similiar to stock, that are reusable.
If your about longevity, the stock is the way to go.  This is a topic hashed
out over and over.  Skyslider, why not do a search on this topic here.
you'll find months of reading on this topic, and nothing has canged.  more
air means more dirt.  On my motorcycle, a KN moves so much more air, that a
rejet is recomended to keep it running correctly.....

>On Jan 28, 2:30 pm, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III"
><BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Skyslider
Socks - 31 Jan 2008 02:56 GMT
>Just remember this.  More power, means more air is required.  KN has larger
>air passages, thus a grain of dirt will make it past the KN an not the stock
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>
>>Skyslider
Socks - 31 Jan 2008 02:59 GMT
>Just remember this.  More power, means more air is required.  KN has larger
>air passages, thus a grain of dirt will make it past the KN an not the stock
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>air means more dirt.  On my motorcycle, a KN moves so much more air, that a
>rejet is recomended to keep it running correctly.....

Read what I responded to wild bill....

You too must have brown eyes... "Cause you are FULL OF sh.t a.s WIPE"
Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
and slander your self.
L.W.(ßill)Hughes III - 31 Jan 2008 03:12 GMT
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, especially if you have sanded your
engine via K&N.
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
       mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
 http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

> Read what I responded to wild bill....
>
> You too must have brown eyes... "Cause you are FULL OF sh.t a.s WIPE"
> Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
> and slander your self.

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Pink Freud©® - 31 Jan 2008 03:12 GMT
>     De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, especially if you have sanded your
> engine via K&N.
>         God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>         mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
>   http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

a) Stolen

b) not funny

c) you are an idiot

d) goto a

>> Read what I responded to wild bill....
>>
>> You too must have brown eyes... "Cause you are FULL OF sh.t a.s WIPE"
>> Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
>> and slander your self.

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L.W.(ßill)Hughes III - 31 Jan 2008 03:28 GMT
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar is hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Then started using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net and That's been killed by me and is now:
24.80.201.123 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 64.59.135.176:
http://billhughes.com/temp/SWimp.jpg
    Whose only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using
foul language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid
to use it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up.
With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers,
@news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise. With
extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness
and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and loving Christian
family: http://billhughes.com/ . Committing forgery over many of my posts,
proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog,
like a Mexican Chihuahua with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're
even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie
to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a
man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
    The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
    You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
    Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
    I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.201.123  and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
    You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! My service to my Country is
well documented http://billhughes.com/ARMY.htm
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
    And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
    Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
    God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
    Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old  24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? I see I killed that one,
too <ROTFLMAO> But somehow scum like you got another of 24.80.201.123.
    Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.
    I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
    SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
    God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg
   I bet you're dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only reason a
faggot like you keeps following me around.
   Bullsh*t you and 24 faggot are as queer as they come it is the only
reason you must stalk me at rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and make these
stupid little comments to each of my posts in an attempt to get my
attention, you crave.
   But very appropriate for stupid a**holes like you
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
       mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
 http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

> a) Stolen
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >> Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
> >> and slander your self.

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Pink Freud©® - 31 Jan 2008 03:42 GMT
>          This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
>         mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
>   http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

                 S P A M M E R
               +++++++++++++++++

>> a) Stolen
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> >> Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
>> >> and slander your self.

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Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
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Dr.Neuraxis® - 31 Jan 2008 05:30 GMT
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 19:07:23 -0800, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III"
<BillHughes@billhughes.com> wrote:

>    De Nile is not just a river in Egypt, especially if you have sanded your
>engine via K&N.
>         Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>        mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
>  http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

Hey, Purple Headed Yogurt Slinger, you're my Hero, how are those shoes
tasting right about now??
Two really large f.ck-ups, first cheater slicks, now K&N filtration,
plus the various other bullshit statements you have made makes you
number 1  without a vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> Read what I responded to wild bill....
>>
>> You too must have brown eyes... "Cause you are FULL OF sh.t a.s WIPE"
>> Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
>> and slander your self.
RiverRunner66 - 31 Jan 2008 05:55 GMT
well socks, how do they magically move more air than a stock filter?  The
micron measurement of dirt particles filtered is larger for the KN filter
than ANY stock filter.  This is so they can move more air.  Aside from a
strictly racing environment, they are crap.  On some vehicles that are vacuum
sensitive, they don't allow enough pressure drop for everything to work
correctly.  do your research spammer and move on

>>Just remember this.  More power, means more air is required.  KN has larger
>>air passages, thus a grain of dirt will make it past the KN an not the stock
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Actually go out and but one and try it before you comment on a product
>and slander your self.
Pink Freud©® - 31 Jan 2008 01:59 GMT
> On Jan 28, 2:30 pm, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III"
> <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Skyslider

And you won't very often.

And don't forget that Bill lives for taking the opposite side in nearly
everything.

K&N is recommended and endorsed by some very well known racers and car
folks who have the technical expertise to know good from bad. And they
actually /use/ them themselves, not just endorse them for money.

For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
doesn't.

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L.W.(ßill)Hughes III - 31 Jan 2008 03:06 GMT
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar is hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Then started using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net and That's been killed by me and is now:
24.80.201.123 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 64.59.135.176:
http://billhughes.com/temp/SWimp.jpg
    Whose only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using
foul language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid
to use it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up.
With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers,
@news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise. With
extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness
and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and loving Christian
family: http://billhughes.com/ . Committing forgery over many of my posts,
proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog,
like a Mexican Chihuahua with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're
even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie
to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a
man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
    The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
    You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
    Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
    I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.201.123  and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
    You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! My service to my Country is
well documented http://billhughes.com/ARMY.htm
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
    And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
    Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
    God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
    Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old  24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? I see I killed that one,
too <ROTFLMAO> But somehow scum like you got another of 24.80.201.123.
    Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.
    I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
    SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
    God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg
   I bet you're dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only reason a
faggot like you keeps following me around.
   Bullsh*t you and 24 faggot are as queer as they come it is the only
reason you must stalk me at rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and make these
stupid little comments to each of my posts in an attempt to get my
attention, you crave.
   Again it makes a fool of it's self again, which may be proven with just
a finger wipe!
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
       mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
 http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

> And you won't very often.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
> doesn't.

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Pink Freud©® - 31 Jan 2008 03:24 GMT
>      This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
[quoted text clipped - 93 lines]
>     Again it makes a fool of it's self again, which may be proven with just
> a finger wipe!

Keep your fingers to yourself, your boyfriends and your goats.

Get a finger near me and I'll slice it off.

>         God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>         mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
>> doesn't.

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L.W.(ßill)Hughes III - 31 Jan 2008 03:32 GMT
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar is hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Then started using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net and That's been killed by me and is now:
24.80.201.123 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 64.59.135.176:
http://billhughes.com/temp/SWimp.jpg
     With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and
loving Christian family: http://billhughes.com/ . Committing forgery over
many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chihuahua with its senseless barking, me too,
me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing,
you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your
statement like a man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
    The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
    You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
    Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
    I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.201.123  and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
    You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! My service to my Country is
well documented http://billhughes.com/ARMY.htm
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
    And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
    Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
    God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
    Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old  24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? I see I killed that one,
too <ROTFLMAO> But somehow scum like you got another of 24.80.201.123.
    Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.
    I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
    SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
    God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg
   I bet you're dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only reason a
faggot like you keeps following me around.
   Bullsh*t you and 24 faggot are as queer as they come it is the only
reason you must stalk me at rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and make these
stupid little comments to each of my posts in an attempt to get my
attention, you crave.
   Whose only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using foul
language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid to use
it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up. With an
obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers,
@news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
       mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
 http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

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wockmysonThejawsthatbitetheclawsthatcatchBewaretheJubjubbirdandshunthefrumio
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> > "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message

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> >> And you won't very often.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> >> For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
> >> doesn't.

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Pink Freud®© - 31 Jan 2008 04:44 GMT
>      This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
>         mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
>   http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

You lose, Hughes.

> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.01.31.00.27.11.844251@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyreandgimbleinthewabe.allmimsyweretheborogovesandthemomerathsoutgrabeBewaretheJabber
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>> >> For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
>> >> doesn't.

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RiverRunner66 - 31 Jan 2008 05:57 GMT
yes yes, and that is a race environment.  where they are going through motors
etc..constantly.  I've yet to see a race motor with 110,000 miles on it.  ????

>> On Jan 28, 2:30 pm, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III"
>> <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
>doesn't.
Pink Freud®© - 31 Jan 2008 06:17 GMT
> yes yes, and that is a race environment.  where they are going through motors
> etc..constantly.  I've yet to see a race motor with 110,000 miles on it.  ????

Again:

"well known racers and car folks"

Note what I said after the 'and': car folks.

Of all types. Not just racers. And yes, people with cars with high metrage
(mileage). Professionals who work on cars every day. Normals. USERS of the
product. Lots of them, too.

Relax.

Only 99 people to go, and someone else will agree with you.

And YES, decidedly, you have a right to your opinion, just as we do.

So does Billieboi, only he has no right to voice it. He lost that right,
now he has to re-earn it, which is very unlikely to happen.

>>> On Jan 28, 2:30 pm, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III"
>>> <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
>>doesn't.

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Motorhead Lawyer - 02 Feb 2008 01:38 GMT
On Jan 30, 7:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:

> K&N is recommended and endorsed by some very well known racers and car
> folks who have the technical expertise to know good from bad. And they
> actually /use/ them themselves, not just endorse them for money.

Uh, yeah; right.  Name one - who's not paid to use K&N, that is.
Remember, if there's a K&N sticker on the car, the filter was probably
given to them for free and it pays contingency money if they can win a
race in spite of it.

> For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
> doesn't.

P.T. Barnum can tell you why.  One of those 100 is born every
minute ... weren't you?
--
C.R. Krieger
(Not paid by K&N - but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night)
Pink Freud©® - 02 Feb 2008 06:51 GMT
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:38:36 -0800, Motorheaded Lawyer wrote:

> On Jan 30, 7:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
> lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> given to them for free and it pays contingency money if they can win a
> race in spite of it.

You are either not paying attention, or using the legal trick of using
only the evidence that fits your side of the argument.

>> For every 100 people who endorse them, there will always be one who
>> doesn't.
>
> P.T. Barnum can tell you why.  One of those 100 is born every minute ...
> weren't you?

That's very typical of your responses in general. Ad hominem attacks
even when not necessary.

See my adjunct post, you might learn something.

And please give up on the humour; it doesn't work too well. Most lawyers
are a humourless lot (sayeth MY lawyer), and their attempts seldom work.

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L.W.(ßill)Hughes III - 02 Feb 2008 08:44 GMT
This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar is hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I
killed it. Then started using another IP of 24.80.200.127
s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net and That's been killed by me and is now:
24.80.201.123 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 64.59.135.176:
http://billhughes.com/temp/SWimp.jpg
    Whose only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using
foul language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid
to use it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up.
With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers,
@news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise. With
extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness
and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and loving Christian
family: http://billhughes.com/ . Committing forgery over many of my posts,
proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog,
like a Mexican Chihuahua with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're
even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie
to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a
man.
    That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's
the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic
psychopath forged up names?
    You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same
paragraphs it fits so well!
    But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca,
security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org,
admin@cox.net for forgery.
   Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy
posted on an auto picture group at:
news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
    I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements,
but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on
Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and
that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the
United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just
too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave
it, so keep the f*ck out!
    Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you!
    YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and
someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant
with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you.
    Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020
YOU NEED HELP!
    The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards
    You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and
anything.
    Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up
and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your
arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place.
    I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
shaw.ca 24.80.201.123  and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT
Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly
email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net
        Sincerely,
        Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
    Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
    You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S.
Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! My service to my Country is
well documented http://billhughes.com/ARMY.htm
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of
extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO>
    And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your
pursuing fag names, as fake as you.
    Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos,
alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW
really are!!!!!
    God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep
following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador
gibberish/babbling
    You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way
a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority!
<ROTFLMAO>
    Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you
old  24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? I see I killed that one,
too <ROTFLMAO> But somehow scum like you got another of 24.80.201.123.
    Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your
language, and pornography in an original post.
    I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so
as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-)
    SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man
would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward
the loser.
    God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I
wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a
fool out of you over, and over again:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg
   I bet you're dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only reason a
faggot like you keeps following me around.
   Bullsh*t you and 24 faggot are as queer as they come it is the only
reason you must stalk me at rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and make these
stupid little comments to each of my posts in an attempt to get my
attention, you crave.
    I would sign this crap either!
       God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
       mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com
 http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
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wockmysonThejawsthatbitetheclawsthatcatchBewaretheJubjubbirdandshunthefrumio
usBandersnatch...

> You are either not paying attention, or using the legal trick of using
> only the evidence that fits your side of the argument.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> And please give up on the humour; it doesn't work too well. Most lawyers
> are a humourless lot (sayeth MY lawyer), and their attempts seldom work.

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Pink Freud©® - 02 Feb 2008 10:31 GMT
>      This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak
> jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft
[quoted text clipped - 111 lines]
>> And please give up on the humour; it doesn't work too well. Most lawyers
>> are a humourless lot (sayeth MY lawyer), and their attempts seldom work.

Nobody was speaking to you, Cooyon.

So

You lose, Hughes.

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on the unthinking.

                 -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Motorhead Lawyer - 04 Feb 2008 20:15 GMT
On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:38:36 -0800, Motorheaded Lawyer wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 7:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> You are either not paying attention, or using the legal trick of using
> only the evidence that fits your side of the argument.

Nice try at a diversion.  Name one.  We're waiting.

> And please give up on the humour; it doesn't work too well. Most lawyers
> are a humourless lot (sayeth MY lawyer), and their attempts seldom work.

Your lawyer is right about *most* lawyers.  You're only getting huffy
because someone has the temerity to make *you* the target.  Put on one
of your nyms and deal with it.
--
C.R. Krieger
Pink Freud®© - 05 Feb 2008 07:34 GMT
> On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in- lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Nice try at a diversion.  Name one.  We're waiting.

Hardly a diversion (unless one is diverted easily), and you didn't have
to wait that long since the answer in effect is above.

My words:

>> >> and car
>> >> folks who have the technical expertise to know good from bad. And
>> >> they actually /use/ them themselves, not just endorse them for
>> >> money.

Please note the word 'and'.

Car folks. Professionals. People in the industry. Professional mechanics,
service and repair shop owners, successful amateur racers, friends, people
I know. All in my immediate area.

Names?

Sorry, this is Usenet.

However, I suppose you could argue that I'm making all this up, and people
of this type simply don't exist anywhere except where I am.

Hughes would.

>> And please give up on the humour; it doesn't work too well. Most
>> lawyers are a humourless lot (sayeth MY lawyer), and their attempts
>> seldom work.
>
> Your lawyer is right about *most* lawyers.

As this seems to be self-exclusionary, might I ask if this is your
personal evaluation of your sense of humour, or is this a consensus
opinion?

Usenet is littered with your bon mots, and IMS-HO, for the most
part they're not all that bon.

> You're only getting huffy
> because someone has the temerity to make *you* the target.

'Huffy?' Quaint.

'Temerity?' The primary definition of 'temerity' is 'rashness'.

And, oh, I've been a target many, many times. I tend to survive.

>  Put on one
> of your nyms and deal with it.

It has been many, many, many months since I've used any other nym in this
group, and I no longer will.

So put on your Big Girl panties and deal with it.

BTW, when you purchase a K&N, there are free stickers inside the box.

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Terry Dactille©~® - 05 Feb 2008 08:12 GMT
>> On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in- lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
>
>BTW, when you purchase a K&N, there are free stickers inside the box.

He sounds like he may be a might short on clients, or trying to
diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
What ever the case<--- there will be a childish attack soon!!
Motorhead Lawyer - 05 Feb 2008 19:15 GMT
On Feb 5, 2:12 am, Terry Dactille©~® <pterry@jurassholle_pork.org>
wrote:

> He sounds like he may be a might short on clients, or trying to
> diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
> What ever the case<--- there will be a childish attack soon!!

Gee, 'Terry', you went from Scut Farkas' sidekick to this?
--
C.R. Krieger
(still looking for a toady of my own)
Terry Dactille©~® - 05 Feb 2008 23:41 GMT
>> He sounds like he may be a might short on clients, or trying to
>> diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>C.R. Krieger
>(still looking for a toady of my own)

I made my point, and in a decade and a half, you could have done
better!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille©~® - 07 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>>> He sounds like he may be a might short on clients, or trying to
>>> diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I made my point, and in a decade and a half, you could have done
>better!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille©~® - 07 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>>> He sounds like he may be a might short on clients, or trying to
>>> diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I made my point, and in a decade and a half, you could have done
>better!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille©~® - 07 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>>> He sounds like he may be a might short on clients, or trying to
>>> diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I made my point, and in a decade and a half, you could have done
>better!
--

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“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille ©~® - 24 Mar 2008 06:27 GMT
>On Feb 5, 2:12 am, Terry Dactille©~® <pterry@jurassholle_pork.org>
>wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Gee, 'Terry', you went from Scut Farkas' sidekick to this?

Took you long enough to catch up, must have been on vacation,
or you got a couple of clients?!
Sounds to me like you should team up with Lardwellyn W. (Bill) Hughes
III, he has spent as much time as you on Usenet, and is still as dumb
as the proverbial rock.
So you two can continue to shovel your Bullshit, and see who really
cares.
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“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille©~® - 07 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>>> On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in- lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
>diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
>What ever the case<--- there will be a childish attack soon!!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille©~® - 07 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>>> On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in- lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
>diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
>What ever the case<--- there will be a childish attack soon!!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Terry Dactille©~® - 07 Feb 2008 22:07 GMT
>>> On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in- lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
>diversify and get some courtroom savvy from the Usenet.
>What ever the case<--- there will be a childish attack soon!!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”
Motorhead Lawyer - 05 Feb 2008 19:12 GMT
On Feb 5, 1:34 am, Pink Freud®© <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 12:51 am, Pink Freud©® <drive-in- lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Please note the word 'and'.

I understand conjunctions.  Do you understand the term, "name"?

> Car folks. Professionals. People in the industry. Professional mechanics,
> service and repair shop owners, successful amateur racers, friends, people
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Sorry, this is Usenet.

Oh, yeah.  We sure wouldn't want to taint this place with any
*credibility* or *verifiability*, would we?  Interesting argument you
have there.  "I can't tell you because then somebody whose name is
already well-known would be on the Internet."  While I may not know
much about Usenet after only a decade and a half, I do know a thing or
two about bullshit.  And (note: conjunction) this looks a lot more
like bullshit to me.

> However, I suppose you could argue that I'm making all this up, and people
> of this type simply don't exist anywhere except where I am.

Until you can give us a name, I can go with that.

> >  Put on one of your nyms and deal with it.
>
> It has been many, many, many months since I've used any other nym in this
> group, and I no longer will.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> BTW, when you purchase a K&N, there are free stickers inside the box.

Yeah, I know.  The 'ricers' love 'em on their Hon-duhs.
--
C.R. Krieger
Pink Freud®© - 06 Feb 2008 01:38 GMT
> On Feb 5, 1:34 am, Pink Freud®© <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> I understand conjunctions.  Do you understand the term, "name"?

Yeah, is seems to ring a bell.

>> Car folks. Professionals. People in the industry. Professional mechanics,
>> service and repair shop owners, successful amateur racers, friends, people
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> have there.  "I can't tell you because then somebody whose name is
> already well-known would be on the Internet."

No, I am not going to post names of anyone who may not wish them posted.
Especially with someone like Hughes around.

And I never claimed these were people were well-known, just competent
professionals and amateurs.

> While I may not know
> much about Usenet after only a decade and a half, I do know a thing or
> two about bullshit.  And (note: conjunction) this looks a lot more
> like bullshit to me.

As a lawyer, you certainly should know quite a bit about bullshit.

And, after more than two decades on Fido-Net, other-nets and Usenet, I'd
surmise that most everything smells like that to you by now.

>> However, I suppose you could argue that I'm making all this up, and
>> people of this type simply don't exist anywhere except where I am.
>
> Until you can give us a name, I can go with that.

Lawyer, huh?

Amazing.

>> >  Put on one of your nyms and deal with it.
>>
>> It has been many, many, many months since I've used any other nym in
>> this group, and I no longer will.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I see you share Billieboi's lack of talent in reading headers.

>> BTW, when you purchase a K&N, there are free stickers inside the box.
>
> Yeah, I know.  The 'ricers' love 'em on their Hon-duhs.

Another gratuitous and pejorative statement.

This is the same type of interplay I've seen associated with you in the
Usenet archives, and I think boredom is setting in already.

BTW, Motorhead, it is your head a big block or a small block?

Aluminum or cast-iron?

Hmmmmmm. That wasn't as much fun as I expected.

Yes, I'm already tiring of this rather pointless repartée.

I know you'll respond, although you certainly don't have to.

Whether I will do so in kind, I don't know.

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Motorhead Lawyer - 07 Feb 2008 15:44 GMT
On Feb 5, 7:38 pm, Pink Freud®© <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
wrote:

> I see you share Billieboi's lack of talent in reading headers.

Let's call it a lack of *interest*.

> BTW, Motorhead, it is your head a big block or a small block?
>
> Aluminum or cast-iron?

My favorites have alloy heads on cast iron 3.5 liter blocks.
Shouldn't be too hard to figure out since you've been doing so much
research on me.  Oh; and I'm *so* flattered ...

> Yes, I'm already tiring of this rather pointless repartée.

Yeah; same here.  What it all comes down to for our OP is this:

He can Google me and/or Hughes and he can find us and, if he's so
motivated, he can email or pick up the phone and call.  I'll talk to
him about my years working in racing and my experience in working on
my own, and others', cars and what I know about K&N vs. OEM filters.
Then he can decide whether he trusts or agrees with my opinion.  I
know Ron Katona usually did, and Brett Anderson and Jenny Morgan
will.  We're still waiting to find out who, if anyone, agrees with
you.

OR he can Google YOU and discover that as far as verifiability, you
don't have a name or an address or a phone number and we can be pretty
damn sure he can't even email you because you're hiding from getting
banned from Usenet or tossed by your ISP (because about 90% of your
postings involve rude remarks about barnyard animals and are almost
invariably violations of TOS policies).

Gee; a couple of guys with decades of real experience you can actually
talk to, or a 19-year-old Usenet bully who won't disclose any
verifiable facts and who can't be found.  I know who I'm gonna pick.
--
C.R. Krieger
Pink Freud©® - 08 Feb 2008 04:48 GMT
> On Feb 5, 7:38 pm, Pink Freud®© <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> talk to, or a 19-year-old Usenet bully who won't disclose any
> verifiable facts and who can't be found.  I know who I'm gonna pick.

Well, enough of your speculation based on no facts. You ally yourself with
Billieboi (and refer to me as a bully; blind justice, perhaps?), perfect
match.

Just another 'List Bunny' as I suspected.

You've memorized your riffs, you have learned where to place them, but
sadly you're just not making music.

And I really don't have the time to dance until I hear something better,
and ergo EOT.

And you can /claim/ a 'victory' or whatever it is you want from this
disappointing interchange, it matters not.

Yes, a lack of /interest/.

Give our litigiously-minded Cooyon Billy some much-needed help with his
subpoenas, explain to him the concept of 'rights and responsibilities',
and help correct most of his fallacious information regarding law and his
power vis-a-vis same, and I /might/ become re-interested. Maybe.

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on the unthinking.

                 -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Cujo DeSockpuppet - 08 Feb 2008 05:03 GMT
Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyrean
dgimbleinthewabe.allmimsyweretheborogovesandthemomerathsoutgrabeBewarethe
JabberwockmysonThejawsthatbitetheclawsthatcatchBewaretheJubjubbirdandshun
thefrumiousBandersnatch:

<sneckers>

> Give our litigiously-minded Cooyon Billy some much-needed help with
> his subpoenas, explain to him the concept of 'rights and
> responsibilities', and help correct most of his fallacious information
> regarding law and his power vis-a-vis same, and I /might/ become
> re-interested. Maybe.

If this fuckstick could help Goatfucker Bill find that subpoena I was
threatened with a few months back I'd be rilly, rilly, rilly f.cking 
grateful.

Ask for miracles...

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Flying f.ck - 08 Feb 2008 16:47 GMT
> Pink Freud�� <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyrean
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Ask for miracles...

stop buying mopar junk air filters!

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Some Guy - 10 Feb 2008 02:54 GMT
> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyrean
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Ask for miracles...

Maybe he'll do that after he's come back from Michigan, so as to make
good on his bet with me.
Cujo DeSockpuppet - 10 Feb 2008 17:13 GMT
>> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
>> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyr
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Maybe he'll do that after he's come back from Michigan, so as to make
> good on his bet with me.

I demand to be the first. What we rilly, rilly, rilly need is a lits of
the hatiest to see which of my sockpuppets BillieBoi hates the mostest.

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Some Guy - 11 Feb 2008 05:38 GMT
>>> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
>>> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyr
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> I demand to be the first. What we rilly, rilly, rilly need is a lits of
> the hatiest to see which of my sockpuppets BillieBoi hates the mostest.

Hughesie thinks that EVERYONE laughing at him is a sockpuppet of two
different posters.  So his list is only two nyms long.  But you, my
friend, have the best shot at being the third, so congrats!
Cujo DeSockpuppet - 12 Feb 2008 03:18 GMT
>>>> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
>>>> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidg
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> different posters.  So his list is only two nyms long.  But you, my
> friend, have the best shot at being the third, so congrats!

I want to be teh firstiest and teh litsiest. Goatfucker Bill needs to
bring more to the table than some lame screed and impotent threats.

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Pink Freud©® - 12 Feb 2008 04:45 GMT
>>>>> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
>>>>> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidg
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> I want to be teh firstiest and teh litsiest. Goatfucker Bill needs to
> bring more to the table than some lame screed and impotent threats.

Hey! It's not that I want any <ahem> notariety outta this, but I think I'm
his most hatiest and for the lengestest. He's been after moi for close to
4 years now.....

And I've been after him almost that long.

What a joy.

<barf!>

Can't even ask him who is, 'cuz he don't even know how to answer a
question anymore.

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Some Guy - 12 Feb 2008 05:43 GMT
>>>>> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
>>>>> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidg
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> I want to be teh firstiest and teh litsiest. Goatfucker Bill needs to
> bring more to the table than some lame screed and impotent threats.

That's all he's got.  Give the poor guy a break!
Terry Dactille©~® - 12 Feb 2008 06:06 GMT
>>>>> Pink Freud©® <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in
>>>>> news:pan.2008.02.08.01.50.35.712589@Twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidg
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>I want to be teh firstiest and teh litsiest. Goatfucker Bill needs to
>bring more to the table than some lame screed and impotent threats.

That ain't all that's impotent!
--

“A winner makes commitment. A loser makes promises.”

“The path of least resistance is the path of the loser.”