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Car Forum / Jeep / March 2008Floor Jack Recommendation?
Hi All, I'm looking for a new floor jack to use primarily with my wife's '04 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I had a Craftsman SUV jack until it spewed oil and collapsed the other day. I need to carry it fairly frequently, so I need something fairly light, but also tall enough to lift a Jeep in the air. Any recommendations? I'm thinking of going with the Arcan Aluminum: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200345428_200 345428 At 19.25", it's the tallest aluminum jack I can find for around $200, but I'm also considering the Torin 2.5 Ton Aluminum (18.25") and the Jegs Aluminum (17.75"). What do you all use? What's the minimum height that I should go for? My old jack goes to 21", but I don't think I've ever had it all the way up. Most of all, I want a jack that will last a long time. I couldn't believe it when my Craftsman jack died after only a few years. Apparently, all of their newer jacks have the same basic problem. ;-( Thanks, Tom Hi Tom, I don't have a preference, as mine stays on the garage floor. Just so the handle doesn't bend under my weight using it as a cheater. Remember Daimler uses an aluminum rear differential housing that instantly bends and throws the bearings out of adjustment if lifted from the pumpkin: http://www.billhughes.com/WJdana44.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the air. Any recommendations? I'm thinking of going with the Arcan > Aluminum: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200345428_200 345428 > At 19.25", it's the tallest aluminum jack I can find for around $200, > but I'm also considering the Torin 2.5 Ton Aluminum (18.25") and the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Tom  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I don't have a preference, as I just jack right on the garage > floor. And you don't clean up afterwards, either..... >Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Thanks, >Tom Did you try to fix the old one? <g> Everytime that I find they spew, the problem is either a leak (tighten whatever is leaking) or a bad seal on the pump or valve... That said, most of the ones you describe would be just fine. Jegs prices are OK, but I don't like their shipping costs. (Looses them a lot of orders from me, as when I add the price of the product to the shipping, they then become more expensive them their competitors). Thanks for the advice, guys. Tom >Thanks for the advice, guys. > >Tom Without looking into any previous replies, I'll bring up this thought: Don't Craftsman tools have lifetime warranties? ... >> Thanks for the advice, guys. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ... I guess the car jack isn't a "tool". Only one year warranty. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00950524000P?vName=Gifts&cName=Birthday &sName=All&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20070921x00003a SignatureFRH >>Thanks for the advice, guys. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ... Just the hand tools, wrenches, hammers, screwdrivers that sort of thing. Most anything with moving parts, an electric motor or hydraulics is not included. Saludos, Earle >> Without looking into any previous replies, I'll bring up this >> thought: Don't Craftsman tools have lifetime warranties? >> ... > Just the hand tools, wrenches, hammers, screwdrivers that sort of > thing. Most anything with moving parts, an electric motor or > hydraulics is not included. But it doesn't hurt to ask, who knows? They're pretty serious about customer relations. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org > But it doesn't hurt to ask, who knows? They're pretty serious about > customer relations. Oh, I asked. Their floor-jacks have a 1-year warranty, and they didn't offer me anything beyond that...Earle is correct, though, if the tool has moving parts and isn't a socket wrench, it probably isn't covered under the lifetime warranty. >> But it doesn't hurt to ask, who knows? They're pretty serious about >> customer relations. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > has moving parts and isn't a socket wrench, it probably isn't covered > under the lifetime warranty. Too bad L. L. Bean doesn't sell floor jacks. I checked the Sears Parts site for my floor jack after reading this thread, and they don't even sell parts for it. Saludos, Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>Thanks for the advice, guys. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >... Craftsman *HAND* tools do, but other tools do not... Wish they did, I'd buy more of their power tools then. And to respond to someone else thinking that a floor jack should last 20 years... Not in my experience! Professional mechanics that I know all seem to see them lasting about 4 to 5 years max. > And to respond to someone else thinking that a floor jack should last > 20 years... Not in my experience! Professional mechanics that I know > all seem to see them lasting about 4 to 5 years max. Really? I guess that's about how long my jack lasted, but is that really everybody's experience here? My dad has a Craftsman jack he bought something like 25 years ago. I was hoping to get something with that sort of longevity... Tom They were pre- Chinese. The old shops we see still have their original 1920s vintage. All that ever wears out is an O ring. Of course, the size must be perfect, none of this un-American centimeter crapola: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/Orings.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com > > And to respond to someone else thinking that a floor jack should last > > 20 years... Not in my experience! Professional mechanics that I know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Mar 5, 10:31 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: > They were pre- Chinese. The old shops we see still have their original > 1920s vintage. Yeah, the Chinese Craftsman jacks seem to be crap. I almost chalked my experience up to bad luck and bought another one because they were on sale a week ago, but then I read the reviews online. Seems just about everyone has the exact same problem. The seals blow out, sometimes within a few months...I guess I had pretty good luck with it lasting 4 years. Then again, I'm no professional. I only use it maybe 10 times a year. Are there still any "Made in the USA" or at least "Made Somewhere with Good Quality Control Standards" floor jacks? > With a proper floor jack, I only have to raise my axle 2" or so to > change a tire, not jack the bumper 3' or more in the air to get the > spring loaded wheel up off the ground. I've always wondered if it's okay to lift it by the axle. I always lift from the jack points on the frame. Good to know I can use the axle. Though, not on the pumpkin, I guess. Thanks, Tom > On Mar 5, 10:31 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" > <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Thanks, > Tom Correct, the pumpkin appears to be dangerous on some of the new units, they can't hold the vehicle's weight. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com Can't go wrong there: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/WJjackPoints.pdf God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com Yeah, the Chinese Craftsman jacks seem to be crap. I almost chalked my experience up to bad luck and bought another one because they were on sale a week ago, but then I read the reviews online. Seems just about everyone has the exact same problem. The seals blow out, sometimes within a few months...I guess I had pretty good luck with it lasting 4 years. Then again, I'm no professional. I only use it maybe 10 times a year. Are there still any "Made in the USA" or at least "Made Somewhere with Good Quality Control Standards" floor jacks? I've always wondered if it's okay to lift it by the axle. I always lift from the jack points on the frame. Good to know I can use the axle. Though, not on the pumpkin, I guess. Thanks, Tom SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: > Can't go wrong there:http://www.billhughes.com/temp/WJjackPoints.pdf Wait, this seems to be saying no to jack up a Jeep on the axle. So the frame is the only safe lift point? Thanks, Tom > On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" > <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Tom That's what it says. I gotta be skeptical that the axle tubes can't handle it, but that's what it says. The danger is probably that people will put them too far inboard, and the cheap aluminum pumpkin will stress out. Or maybe, you know how clumsy some people are, that the axle tube would slip off the jack pad. I put a jack under the U-bolts or shock hangers on my Wrangler, but you don't have a Wrangler. Hell I put it under the pumpkin sometimes, but I have a steel pumpkin. My Chinese Craftsman jack lasted at least thirteen years, and I picked up lots of things with it that I guess shouldn't have. It still works, but it leaks. Cheers, Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" >> <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Earle Ya but that is not what it 'shows' in the diagram 'and' it's thee aluminum WJ one they are referring to. The diagram shows the rear axle tubes or the spring mounts being used in the rear. Does the person asking have a WJ? If not.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com >>> On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" >>> <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Does the person asking have a WJ? If not.... His wife's got some kind of GC. These threads do get long sometimes. Earle Hi Earle, It's an 04: news:dd47008b-5dca-4b9f-92a4-45a7f286f9b3@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam@live.com> wrote in message news:fqnio5$4m7 > His wife's got some kind of GC. These threads do get long sometimes. > > Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Yes, it's an '04 Grand Cherokee, so yes, a WJ. From the picture, I guess it's okay to jack it up from the outer edge of the rear axle, but not the front. I suppose that makes sense, since the front is likely heavier... Thanks, Tom On Mar 5, 8:48 pm, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: > Hi Earle, > It's an 04:news:dd47008b-5dca-4b9f-92a4-45a7f286f9b3@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com A vehicle that you can't ground on the pumpkin, presumably a scenario they never considered. "Trail Rated" bwahaahaa. Its not like Jeep don't know how to do it - they built the Wagoneer after all ! Dave Milne, Scotland > > On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" > > <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Earle > "Trail Rated" bwahaahaa. Its not like Jeep don't know how to do it - they > built the Wagoneer after all ! Well, they never say what the rating is, or who rated it...I imagine they assume that most people, myself included, use the 4WD mainly to cope with bad winters, rather than ever actually going off road in a Grand Cherokee... Tom >> "Trail Rated" bwahaahaa. Its not like Jeep don't know how to do it - they >> built the Wagoneer after all ! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cope with bad winters, rather than ever actually going off road in a > Grand Cherokee... You can go offroad in a Grand. More importantly, you can even get back ON road. But then unless you are talking about serious no-trail terrain, so can a lot more vehicles than is commonly claimed. The Libby can't even traverse a dirt road: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com > You can go offroad in a Grand. More importantly, you can even get back > ON road. But then unless you are talking about serious no-trail > terrain, so can a lot more vehicles than is commonly claimed. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com How many you tube video's did you have to watch before you found one that fit your criteria? In that particular clip it's more like the vehicle operator doesn't know how to operate the vehicle! There are plenty more movie clips where Liberty's show that they can tackle much more demanding terrain. Real Jeepers volunteer that info. And that's where I got it, from this group. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > How many you tube video's did you have to watch before you found one > that fit your criteria? > In that particular clip it's more > like the vehicle operator doesn't know how to operate the vehicle! > There are plenty more movie clips where Liberty's show that they > can tackle much more demanding terrain. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I understand that "Trail Rated" means they can take it up the Rubicon in California under its own power. I have taken my stock Wrangler down Poughkeepsie Gulch in Colorado, supposedly rated "expert" terrain. I didn't find it necessary to ground on the pumpkin, but I am on my third exhaust system now. Most Wagoneer's never saw dirt either. Cheers, Earle > A vehicle that you can't ground on the pumpkin, presumably a scenario they > never considered. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "Most Wagoneers". This common American spelling error is getting to me too. Are they doing that in England too? Earle > I understand that "Trail Rated" means they can take it up the Rubicon in > California under its own power. I have taken my stock Wrangler down [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>> >>> Earle Assuredly, we are the most illiterate nation on earth. Having refused to learn any other language, we are now refusing to learn our own. Grammar isn't taught in schools any more, but what's the betting you will be able to get a "qualification" in "txting" in a few years time ? Out of interest, "Wagon" is spelled "Waggon" over here. Or you say "spelled", but I say "spelt" (cf US "learned" v British "learnt"). Dave > "Most Wagoneers". This common American spelling error is getting to me too. > Are they doing that in England too? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > >>> "aetmos" <googlegroups@gersic.com> wrote in message news:d5d7fe10-ba21-48a3-ab2f-3e8ceb14a8e5@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > >>> > On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" > >>> > <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >>> > >>> Earle Funny I say "burnt" even though I know it sounds British. I say "learnt" or even "larnt" too, because over here it sounds "country". I know people who say "knowed". Cheers, Earle > Assuredly, we are the most illiterate nation on earth. Having refused to > learn any other language, we are now refusing to learn our own. [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >> >>> >> >>> Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "Most Wagoneers". This common American spelling error is getting to me too. > Are they doing that in England too? I'm sorry, maybe I'm showing my Americanity but what's the error? Do you want it to be spelled "Wagonneer", with a double 'n'? Wikipedia and Google seem to think a single 'n' is correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Wagoneer I guess the original posting incorrectly put an apostrophe between the 'r' and the 's', but that's hardly an American-only mistake. Tom >> "Most Wagoneers". This common American spelling error is getting to me >> too. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guess the original posting incorrectly put an apostrophe between the > 'r' and the 's', but that's hardly an American-only mistake. So they're all doing it? It is no doubt a harbinger of the end of civilization as we know it. Gonna miss it. On the bright side reincarnation is just a crazy Hindu idea and I won't live to see it. Cheer's, Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> "Most Wagoneers". This common American spelling error is getting to me too. >> Are they doing that in England too? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tom I used to own a waggon. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com > I used to own a waggon. Well, that's just an American / British spelling thing. My son's Radio Flyer wagon says "wagon" on it...I mean, you guys can't spell "color" correctly, either ;-) Tom Yes, color one you take straight from the Latin. I drive my mum nuts by saying schedule "skedule" the way you do, as opposed to the British "shedule", as it comes from the Greek work skede meaning a parchment. Dave "aetmos" <googlegroups@gersic.com> wrote in message news:1817deb2-4a77-4c67-824b- > Well, that's just an American / British spelling thing. My son's Radio > Flyer wagon says "wagon" on it...I mean, you guys can't spell "color" > correctly, either ;-) > > Tom >Yes, color one you take straight from the Latin. I drive my mum nuts by >saying schedule "skedule" the way you do, as opposed to the British [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Tom There is no 'Q' in coupon, either! >>Yes, color one you take straight from the Latin. I drive my mum nuts by >>saying schedule "skedule" the way you do, as opposed to the British [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > There is no 'Q' in coupon, either! My dictionary says "coopon" and "cyoopon" are both allowable. I blame the under-fifty crowd. "Jewlery" is OK too, as is "noocyooler". Cheer's Earle >>>Yes, color one you take straight from the Latin. I drive my mum nuts by >>>saying schedule "skedule" the way you do, as opposed to the British [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Earle EverytimeI hear "Qupon" I want to scream: "There is no Q in coupon!" <g> I can honestly say I've never heard the qupon bit. Dave > >>>Yes, color one you take straight from the Latin. I drive my mum nuts by > >>>saying schedule "skedule" the way you do, as opposed to the British [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > EverytimeI hear "Qupon" I want to scream: "There is no Q in coupon!" > <g> And we thought you were Scottish. ;-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > I can honestly say I've never heard the qupon bit. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > EverytimeI hear "Qupon" I want to scream: "There is no Q in coupon!" > > <g> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com http://www.bartleby.com/61/58/C0695800.html The second pronunciation is fast becoming the more accepted one in the colonies. It is the sad consequence of too much BBC viewing, I think. http://www.bartleby.com/61/48/N0084800.html Earle > I can honestly say I've never heard the qupon bit. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> EverytimeI hear "Qupon" I want to scream: "There is no Q in coupon!" >> <g> What about people who say Chewsday instead of Tuesday! Where do they get Chew out of Tues as in 2's Lazy people. That's my point Earle - Wagonneers didn't see much dirt, but they still came with F & R iron D44s that you could jack up under the pumpkin, and if you were gormless enough to ground one on the pumpkin it wasn't likely break your tubes. Dave > I understand that "Trail Rated" means they can take it up the Rubicon in > California under its own power. I have taken my stock Wrangler down [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > >> "aetmos" <googlegroups@gersic.com> wrote in message news:d5d7fe10-ba21-48a3-ab2f-3e8ceb14a8e5@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Mar 5, 11:43 am, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" > >> > <BillHug...@billhughes.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> > >> Earle Hi Dave, But it fits my belief that the Germans via Daimler won't rest until they have destroyed the Real Jeep that won the War! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > A vehicle that you can't ground on the pumpkin, presumably a scenario they > never considered. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave Milne, Scotland SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> And to respond to someone else thinking that a floor jack should last >> 20 years... Not in my experience! Professional mechanics that I know [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bought something like 25 years ago. I was hoping to get something with > that sort of longevity... I have a 40 year old Sears jack that still works like a charm and has only needed a few drops of fluid in that 40 years. I also have a 10 year old floor jack that lasted about 2 years before it quit jacking and the internal seals are of such shoddy construction it isn't worth the cost of an o-ring to rebuild. I have that Sears SUV extra lift jack, hope it lasts at least a couple years, but I must say it is of nowhere near the simplicity and construction quality of that 40 year old unit that I suspect could survive a nuke. The SUV jack is nice in that it allows a quick change of winter to summer tires since I am too poor to be able to install a professional chassis jack in the garage. Order a box of assorted O-rings and hope they weren't made in China, too: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PMSECT=2008295 http://www.mcnallyinstitute.com/04-html/4-9.html God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > >> And to respond to someone else thinking that a floor jack should last > >> 20 years... Not in my experience! Professional mechanics that I know [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of winter to summer tires since I am too poor to be able to install a > professional chassis jack in the garage. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>Thanks for the advice, guys. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 20 years... Not in my experience! Professional mechanics that I know > all seem to see them lasting about 4 to 5 years max. Mine still works but leaks from the pump, and apparently there is no way to buy a seal for it. We are talking occasional home use here. Yeah, a professional would expect to get less time out of one, if he is picking up cars every day with it. Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>>Thanks for the advice, guys. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Earle I've got a 2 1/2 ton that I bought from Harbour Freight about 15 years ago. I've added oil one time. It's gotten left out in the rain, snowed on, and dropped off the tailgate of a truck. Still works just fine. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "Lasts a long time" and "fairly light" at the same time, does not compute. Aluminum is lighter than iron, but it is not as good. Titanium is lighter than iron, but it is expensive. You can get parts for just about anything ever made or sold by Sears at http://www.searspartsdirect.com. As Bill seems to say a floor jack doesn't have to be light as long as it rolls easy. If you are going to transport this jack from place to place perhaps a hydraulic post jack would be better suited. Or maybe a Hi-Lift jack with a bumper mount. Cheers, Earle > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Thanks, > Tom > You can get parts for just about anything > ever made or sold by Sears athttp://www.searspartsdirect.com. Thank you for the link. Unless I'm doing something incorrectly, I can't find any floor jacks in the database, though. > "Lasts a long time" and "fairly light" at the same time, does not compute. > Aluminum is lighter than iron, but it is not as good. That's not necessarily true. I have a steel floor jack, but the fact that it's made from steel didn't keep poor hydraulic engineering from causing it to fail. I don't see any particular reason a good aluminum jack couldn't last the 20-30 years that I hope for it to last. Thanks, Tom >> You can get parts for just about anything >> ever made or sold by Sears athttp://www.searspartsdirect.com. > > Thank you for the link. Unless I'm doing something incorrectly, I > can't find any floor jacks in the database, though. There should be an identification plate on the jack, with a "Model Number". Mine looks like "214.50114". Go to "Find a Part ->", click on "Model Number" and enter your model number in the search box. If all else fails try the "Contact us" link. They do answer their E-Mail. >> "Lasts a long time" and "fairly light" at the same time, does not >> compute. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > causing it to fail. I don't see any particular reason a good aluminum > jack couldn't last the 20-30 years that I hope for it to last. I had to junk a floor jack with perfectly good hydraulics once, because the cantilever bars (something like that) stretched under use. Aluminum is even more vulnerable to this type of damage than steel is. And don't even talk about threaded holes in aluminum. If they made them out of titanium that would be great. Earle #Hi All, # #I'm looking for a new floor jack to use primarily with my wife's '04 #Jeep Grand Cherokee. I had a Craftsman SUV jack until it spewed oil #and collapsed the other day. I need to carry it fairly frequently, so #I need something fairly light, but also tall enough to lift a Jeep in #the air. Any recommendations? I'm thinking of going with the Arcan #Aluminum: # #http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200345428_200 345428 # #At 19.25", it's the tallest aluminum jack I can find for around $200, #but I'm also considering the Torin 2.5 Ton Aluminum (18.25") and the #Jegs Aluminum (17.75"). # #What do you all use? What's the minimum height that I should go for? #My old jack goes to 21", but I don't think I've ever had it all the #way up. Most of all, I want a jack that will last a long time. I #couldn't believe it when my Craftsman jack died after only a few #years. Apparently, all of their newer jacks have the same basic #problem. ;-( I use a hi-lift. If you don't have a good place on your body or bumper to lift on, hi-lift makes a adapter to use the rim. Then you would slide a jack stand under the axle (or jack point) and lower it on to the stand. http://www.hi-lift.com/products/liftmate.htm /herb > #Hi All, > # [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > /herb I personally do not believe those farm tools better known as 'Widow Makers' have any business near a Jeep. Some poor farm boy who couldn't afford a real jack or a winch got inventive and came up with all kinds of way to kill yourself with them. The last one I used was brand freaking new and some sucker was convinced it was a 'proper' thing to use so we did. I preferred to be on the handle end rather than being the idiot reaching under to hook up the chain on this derelict car we were dragging out of the bush on a clean up day. Well when I 'carefully' let go of the handle and thankfully started to turn away when this damn thing went almost ballistic with the handle just skimming my ear. Another poor sole in the Nova Scotia Jeep club as was reported here a bit ago, also a very experienced person from the report, recently lost an eye the same way. I showed up to help another Jeeper with blown front wheel bearings and he was working under the damn Jeep with it 'wayyyy' up in the air on a Jack All. I just about sh.t. He was 100% convinced it was the 'proper' tool to be using.... Think of it this way, those 'old fashioned' 'bumper jacks' that had to also lift a vehicle 3'-4' in the air like a Jack All to get clearance to remove a tire are no longer sold or come with vehicles! They are just plain too dangerous. With a proper floor jack, I only have to raise my axle 2" or so to change a tire, not jack the bumper 3' or more in the air to get the spring loaded wheel up off the ground. The original Jack-All or it's imitation, the High Lift are 'great' farm tools, they pull fence posts, lift buildings so new foundations can go under and even work for the railroad workers lifting boxcars up for repairs or new wheels, but under a Jeep, nope. I carry a 2 ton floor jack tucked behind the passenger seat. It is locked in place and works well. Just my $0.02 Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com [snip] >I personally do not believe those farm tools better known as 'Widow >Makers' have any business near a Jeep. I've never heard anyone else decry the value of a Hi-lift jack. (You WERE referring to those common jacks many off-roaders have on their bumpers, right?...if not, "nevermind"!) I got a flat tire this weekend (out by the Salton Sea), and for some reason thought it was a bad idea to put the stock Jeep floor jack under the axle. After maxing the jacks travel (while under the frame), it came up half an inch short of getting the spare tire on :( Used my friends Hi-lift jack (placed in a notched area along the edge of the body) to get the Jeep lifted the last inch or so. Other than some minor denting in the door (fender?) panel, it worked just fine. [snip] >Just my $0.02 > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build >Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com ... It requires a lot of respect: http://billhughes.com/mirror/HiLift/index.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > I've never heard anyone else decry the value of a Hi-lift jack. > (You WERE referring to those common jacks many off-roaders have on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Other than some minor denting in the door (fender?) panel, it worked > just fine. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com http://www.billhughes.com/temp/JackExplodes.mpg > It requires a lot of respect: > http://billhughes.com/mirror/HiLift/index.htm [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Other than some minor denting in the door (fender?) panel, it worked > > just fine. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >[snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(You WERE referring to those common jacks many off-roaders have on >their bumpers, right?...if not, "nevermind"!) I'm with Mike on this one. My boss uses one under the front of his car trailer to lower the back end of the trailer when loading low clearance vehicles. The damn thing has about killed me twice. He's also convinced that there is no better tool for the job. Oh well, at least when I *do* get hurt it'll be on workman's comp. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > He's >also convinced that there is no better tool for the job. >Oh well, at least when I *do* get hurt it'll be on workman's comp. 1. I'm convinced there is no worse tool for the job. 2. If you survive intact... Generally lost body parts cannot be replaced! >[snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(You WERE referring to those common jacks many off-roaders have on >their bumpers, right?...if not, "nevermind"!) I've watched Hi-Lift jacks bend double at well under their rated load. There is no way that a Hi-Lift (or similar) is a safe jacking tool, and they need to be treated with *extreme* caution if used. I also carry a floor jack. I've had wheelers laugh at me ("Hey, get a Hi-Lift..."). That is until I manage to rescue one of them when either the highlift would not work properly, or broke... However nothing can beat a Hi-Lift jack for stretching fence wire, or pulling fence posts... > On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:12:21 -0800, noneofyourbusiness > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > However nothing can beat a Hi-Lift jack for stretching fence wire, or > pulling fence posts... I've decided not to use a Hi-Lift based on comments from this group. Got the 2 ton floor jack, almost never use it anyway. > > On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:12:21 -0800, noneofyourbusiness > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I've decided not to use a Hi-Lift based on comments from this group. > Got the 2 ton floor jack, almost never use it anyway. I have both a 2 ton and a hi lift. I've only used the hi lift to lift my body of the frame when installing my body lift. Good day, Back in 1985 my whole family pooled together and bought me a wretchedly expensive SnapOn Long chassis service jack(Floor jack). 10 ton lifting capacity and a 27 inch maximum lift capacity. I have treated this piece of equipment like it's an investment and have religiously serviced and maintained it over the last 20 years. Granted, they spent well over $1000.00 to $1500.00 back then. The old saying "You get what you pay for!" Holds true. Ry' > Good day, > Back in 1985 my whole family pooled together and bought me a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ry' Hey I need one of those to test my Jeep's flex! |
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