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Is there any news on the diesel wrangler yet ? I would buy one and pay MSRP today ! The 3.8L gas motor is very marginal for this vehicle. The 3.0L diesel in the grand cherokee would be awesome in the wrangler. I bet it would get 30 / 35 mpg. Lynn > Is there any news on the diesel wrangler yet ? I would > buy one and pay MSRP today ! The 3.8L gas motor > is very marginal for this vehicle. The 3.0L diesel in the > grand cherokee would be awesome in the wrangler. > I bet it would get 30 / 35 mpg. There is a 2.8L four cyl TDI swap kit coming for the wrangler ??? http://www.jeepnewsnow.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2905 http://blogs.4wdandsportutility.com/6232286/editorials/diesel-jeep-swap-kit/inde x.html Lynn >> Is there any news on the diesel wrangler yet ? I would >> buy one and pay MSRP today ! The 3.8L gas motor [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lynn Lynn, when you read "this is the real deal and is going to happen" in a web site, blog or whatever, it actually means that it is never going to happen, or if by some incredible freak occurrence it does happen, then you wouldn't want it, like Vista. Cheers, Earle > Lynn, when you read "this is the real deal and is going to happen" in a > web site, blog or whatever, it actually means that it is never going to > happen, or if by some incredible freak occurrence it does happen, then > you wouldn't want it, like Vista. Maybe. Here is more talking about it: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/jeep-performance-may-offer-diesel-engine-swap -kit-for-wrangler/ Lynn >> Lynn, when you read "this is the real deal and is going to happen" in a >> web site, blog or whatever, it actually means that it is never going to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lynn This one now says "Jeep Performance may offer diesel engine swap kit for Wrangler". You have to know how to interpret media hype, but I believe that this one actually means, "It probably won't happen, and if it does, then you wouldn't want it, just like Vista." Cheers, Earle > This one now says "Jeep Performance may offer diesel engine swap > kit for Wrangler". You have to know how to interpret media hype, > but I believe that this one actually means, "It probably won't > happen, and if it does, then you wouldn't want it, just like > Vista." My desire for a diesel engine ranks about even with my desire for genital herpes, I'd really like to see diesels completely outlawed. As for Vista, it works to perfection for all of us who RTFM and do our homework. I like it and would hate to have to regress to XP.  SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> This one now says "Jeep Performance may offer diesel engine swap >> kit for Wrangler". You have to know how to interpret media hype, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My desire for a diesel engine ranks about even with my desire for > genital herpes, I'd really like to see diesels completely outlawed. I don't think we're gonna see that. I do actually think we will eventually see a diesel in a Wrangler or Wrangler-like vehicle, but it will take some time and I really, really doubt the existence of this "conversion kit". > As for Vista, it works to perfection for all of us who RTFM and do our > homework. I like it and would hate to have to regress to XP. I wish you could speak Spanish, so you could go over to the Argentine newsgroup and try to explain that to all of them there. Try substituting "Linux" above if it makes you feel better about it. Cheers, Earle >> I'd really like to see diesels completely >> outlawed. > > I don't think we're gonna see that. I know but it sure would be great for those of us who are violently allergic to diesel exhaust. It was better on the motorcycle, at least I could puke on the trunk of the Mercedes that was poisoning me... ;-) >> As for Vista, it works to perfection for all of us who RTFM and >> do our homework. I like it and would hate to have to regress to >> XP. >> > I wish you could speak Spanish, so you could go over to the > Argentine newsgroup and try to explain that to all of them there. I already did, you can translate for me. Vista works for those who RTFM and do their homework, it doesn't for those who do not. > Try substituting "Linux" above if it makes you feel better about it. Exactly the same applies. I RTFM, did my homework and learned years back that Linux wouldn't work for me, it doesn't support my hardware nor does it allow needed software to run w/o Wine or Crossover Office which makes it not an option for me. I've wasted a great deal of time trying to get it working but it doesn't and I see no reason to whine about it like the clueless do about Vista. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>> I'd really like to see diesels completely >>> outlawed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > allergic to diesel exhaust. It was better on the motorcycle, at least > I could puke on the trunk of the Mercedes that was poisoning me... ;-) One time in Spain, in the Burgos bus depot, a fellow tourist from Los Angeles almost fainted from the clean air. I had to help him to the back of one of the buses so that he could get a good whiff of the diesel exhaust, straight from the exhaust pipe of the bus. It brought him right around. ;^) What you are talking about is quite real. I know a woman who has it. Cheers, Earle SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I could see it coming - they do a diesel in the Patriot, GC, Commander and Liberty. Bet the Wrangler is just a matter of time, and essential if they want to sell vehicles in Europe. Dave > >> Lynn, when you read "this is the real deal and is going to happen" in a > >> web site, blog or whatever, it actually means that it is never going to > >> happen, or if by some incredible freak occurrence it does happen, then > >> you wouldn't want it, like Vista. > > > > Maybe. Here is more talking about it: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/jeep-performance-may-offer-diesel-engine-swap -kit-for-wrangler/ > > Lynn > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Earle Jeep is a luxury marque in Europe, ¿no? It could run on Champagne and you fellows would still buy it. Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff at the pump. Damn, I remember sunflower oil being cheaper than petrol. Earle > I could see it coming - they do a diesel in the Patriot, GC, Commander and > Liberty. Bet the Wrangler is just a matter of time, and essential if they [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Earle Yeah, and diesel used to be cheaper than gasoline as well. > Jeep is a luxury marque in Europe, ¿no? It could run on Champagne and you > fellows would still buy it. Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> > >>> > Maybe. Here is more talking about it: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/jeep-performance-may-offer-diesel-engine-swap -kit-for-wrangler/ >>> > Lynn >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> >>> Earle SignatureWill Honea -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Yeah, and diesel used to be cheaper than gasoline as well. Till more private vehicles started using it and cargo moved from train to truck transport. Not to mention the high taxes. At least a diesel can run on frygrease and industrial canola oil. Couple of folks at work run frygrease and have for nearly a year now. I looked into the cost of buying industrial vegetable oil in 55 gal drums. After shipping it's almost the same as diesel. Interesting read http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/CanolaVol_III.pdf SignatureDougW Hi Doug, Your friends are probably not paying road taxes which in Kalifornia are over eighty cents a gallon. Big time illegal, like those using off road farm or construction diesel on the road, they're going to jail. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > At least a diesel can run on frygrease and industrial canola oil. > Couple of folks at work run frygrease and have for nearly a year [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Interesting read > http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/CanolaVol_III.pdf SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On an otherwise nice day, Bill (Mr. ED) Hughes lied: > Hi Doug, > Your friends are probably not paying road taxes which in Kalifornia are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com > http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm Why? You gonna report them? Bwahahahahaha! NetKKKop Billie is going real life again! Superhero, eh? Well, how come it legal for YOU personally to run on used grease and lard? Go ahead, fatman, make a citizen's arrest! OR better yet, issue another subpoena! 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Medical certificate may be required, or a notarized teste-monial by spouse or other pelvic affiliate. ** Although our beautiful HEE-HAW logo is a braying jackass, we are not affiliated in any way with the US Democratic Party. Bill, I don't know all the details, because I am not yet desperate enough to try to run a $30,000+ vehicle on industrial waste, but if these guys do stuff right they can probably get tax breaks for "helping" the environment. I did see in Europe where diesel and petrol were more expensive than good quality cooking oil. Of course, cheap cooking oil in Spain is like the gourmet stuff here. Earle > Hi Doug, > Your friends are probably not paying road taxes which in Kalifornia are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Interesting read >> http://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/CanolaVol_III.pdf Nope, you got that completely wrong. Diesel *is* the cheap stuff. With fuel prices a lot more expensive here ($8.05 per US gallon), the difference between a 18mpg truck and a 28 mpg truck is what drives people. People *don't* buy the Wrangler. They buy the more expensive Defender 90. Which is admittedly probably better out of the box, but runs on diesel. These diesels are getting damn good now - the V6 3.0 turbo in the Disco 3 is more powerful than the 4.0 v8 in the Disco 2 and the torque is waaay better. Dave > Jeep is a luxury marque in Europe, ¿no? It could run on Champagne and you > fellows would still buy it. Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff at [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >> > > >> > Maybe. Here is more talking about it: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/jeep-performance-may-offer-diesel-engine-swap -kit-for-wrangler/ > >> > Lynn > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> > >> Earle > Nope, you got that completely wrong. Diesel *is* the cheap stuff. > With fuel prices a lot more expensive here ($8.05 per US gallon), the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the Disco 3 is more powerful than the 4.0 v8 in the Disco 2 and the > torque is waaay better. What gets me is why they don't do diesel-electric for the hybrid vehicles. Diesel engines are way better at running generators and if designed for fixed rpm can get even better economy. SignatureDougW dunno - that's how trains work ! Dave > What gets me is why they don't do diesel-electric for the hybrid vehicles. > Diesel engines are way better at running generators and if designed for > fixed rpm can get even better economy. "Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff..." Over here, I don't think we are going to see a diesel Wrangler any time soon. I don't think they can price them high enough to put a diesel in either, even in the European market. It's not exactly a family vehicle, even the ghetto-cruiser four door that has me continually looking twice to make sure it is not an H3. Once we get $8.00 petrol, then things will be different. But we're still at $3.25, even where I live which is a historically high price region. Earle > Nope, you got that completely wrong. Diesel *is* the cheap stuff. With > fuel [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> >> >> >> Earle > "Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff..." Over here, I don't think we are going to see a diesel Wrangler any time soon. I > don't think they can price them high enough to put a diesel in either, even in the European market. It's not exactly a family > vehicle, even the ghetto-cruiser four Jeep ships a 2.8L 4 banger diesel to Europe in the Wrangler. It is the same engine that was available in the 2005-2006 Jeep Liberty here in the USA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_Motori ). You can also get a Jeep wrangler CRD down under: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/03/aussie-police-get-jeep-wrangler-crd/ Why not here in the USA ? Even in the UK: http://www.jeep.co.uk/jeep/versions.aspx?ID=422,2,169 Lynn >> "Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff..." Over here, I don't >> think we are going to see a diesel Wrangler any time soon. I don't think [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Lynn Because petrol is cheap here, $3.00 to $8.00 in the UK. Now if you were a diplomat you could have one. If you can somehow manage to live in the UK for a while, and drive a Jeep while you are there, you may be able to import the vehicle to the states. A friend got a Volvo in Sweden, drove it for a few thousand miles, and saved quite a bit importing it as a used vehicle. That was a U.S. compliant vehicle though. The bottom line is that "they" don't want you to have this vehicle, the fuel for the gasoline vehicle is still cheap enough, and given all that the cost to market it in this country is prohibitive. Cheers, Earle Indeed, it appears events have caught up with me and I am talking out my arse. Current UK lineup seems to be the 2.8 diesel (powering the Sahara, Sport and ditto Unlimited) or the 3.8 Rubicon. At $45000, I'll pass on the Rubicon. This probably explains why I haven't seen a Wrangler for months ... Dave > > "Over here, it has to run on the cheap stuff..." Over here, I don't think we are going to see a diesel Wrangler any time soon. I > > don't think they can price them high enough to put a diesel in either, even in the European market. It's not exactly a family [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Lynn > Indeed, it appears events have caught up with me and I am talking out my > arse. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > This probably explains why I haven't seen a Wrangler for months ... Like I said, they could run on Champagne and it wouldn't make a difference. Toyota has a reincarnated Cruiser that runs on premium. The people who own it don't even blink at the pump here. Heck, they probably get the butler ("personal assistant" here) to fill it. Ways for Lynn to get one, that is what we are looking for. If they imported them to Canada maybe she could move there, buy the car, and move back. A neighbor got a Smart Car imported to the States and he is driving it around Durango. He told me he couldn't get the diesel version though, because the fuel here was "too dirty" for it. Since 2007 we are supposed to have cleaner fuel though. Don't know, but it is a place too look. Lynn, call Canada. Earle > Dave > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Lynn I thought your diesel was now < 15ppm which is excellent. Here it has to be < 50ppm Dave > > Indeed, it appears events have caught up with me and I am talking out my > > arse. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >> > >> Lynn > I thought your diesel was now < 15ppm which is excellent. Here it has to be > < 50ppm [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >>>> >>>> Lynn But it looks like they're headed for 10ppm by 2011. http://www.dieselnet.com/news/2001/05eu2.php SignatureFRH That's what I thought too, but maybe my neighbor has had his Smart Car a while. It is only a year since we have had < 15ppm diesel. There are two of them in town, and they look really out of place. Both sound as if petrol-fueled. Getting an import certified as USA compliant seems more of a hassle than I would ever want, but it appears that Lynn really, really wants a diesel Wrangler. Earle > I thought your diesel was now < 15ppm which is excellent. Here it has to > be [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >> >> >> >> Lynn That might be the case - they do a 700cc 50hp petrol or a 800cc 40hp diesel. Watch one doing 80 on the motorway, handling doesn't look that "smart". Dave > That's what I thought too, but maybe my neighbor has had his Smart Car a > while. It is only a year since we have had < 15ppm diesel. There are two > of them in town, and they look really out of place. Both sound as if > petrol-fueled. Getting an import certified as USA compliant seems more of a > hassle than I would ever want, but it appears that Lynn really, really wants > a diesel Wrangler. People in the States see 700cc for a passenger car and wonder what we're talking about. I would not do 80mph in one of those things. They look like they go end over end every time you apply the brakes. Good for parking though, especially in those tiny Euro parking spaces. Earle > That might be the case - they do a 700cc 50hp petrol or a 800cc 40hp > diesel. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > wants >> a diesel Wrangler. Our parking spaces are ridiculous. Fortunately, we have Costco which does proper spaces. Dave Milne, Scotland > People in the States see 700cc for a passenger car and wonder what we're > talking about. I would not do 80mph in one of those things. They look [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> wants >>> a diesel Wrangler. > Is there any news on the diesel wrangler yet ? I would > buy one and pay MSRP today ! The 3.8L gas motor [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lynn I'm with you. If the new Wrangler came with a small diesel like the one from the new GC I would be at the dealer signing papers. i have pics on my phone from today of one going east on i96 in brighton michhigan it was done up so it would not show up good in pictures it looked like a rubicon can't get my phone pics to transfer to the puter > Is there any news on the diesel wrangler yet ? I would > buy one and pay MSRP today ! The 3.8L gas motor [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lynn |
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