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Car Forum / Jeep / May 2008Websites for preview of 2009 Wrangler?
We are thinking about buying another Wrangler (Unlimited X) since the wife wants power windows and locks and has wanted them for over 20 years on her Jeep. Trying to decide if we should buy a 2008 or wait for the 2009s. I am holding out some hope that Jeep will make some improvement in gas mileage on the 2009s (probably fat chance). In any case, the rebates that Jeep is offering stink on the 2008s right now so there is no real incentive to buy a 2008. Might as well wait for 2009s. I have looked and have not been able to located any websites that show and discuss previews of the 2009s. Anyone know of any websites that I can go to that can give me an overview of what is coming on the 2009s? No relies. I guess that's why I could not find anything either. I guess to be on the safe side, we'll just wait for the 2009s. > We are thinking about buying another Wrangler (Unlimited X) since the > wife wants power windows and locks and has wanted them for over 20 years [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and discuss previews of the 2009s. Anyone know of any websites that I > can go to that can give me an overview of what is coming on the 2009s? I know you may have your heart set on a new Jeep, but if the only thing that's making you spend all of that money is power windows and locks, they have conversion kits for those you know. Not that expensive either. Been thinking of the window conversion m'salf. Kate 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon With a $hitload of goodies attached to it. We are thinking about buying another Wrangler (Unlimited X) since the wife wants power windows and locks and has wanted them for over 20 years on her Jeep. Trying to decide if we should buy a 2008 or wait for the 2009s. I am holding out some hope that Jeep will make some improvement in gas mileage on the 2009s (probably fat chance). In any case, the rebates that Jeep is offering stink on the 2008s right now so there is no real incentive to buy a 2008. Might as well wait for 2009s. I have looked and have not been able to located any websites that show and discuss previews of the 2009s. Anyone know of any websites that I can go to that can give me an overview of what is coming on the 2009s? No, that's not the only thing. She also wants the new hard top features, and the four doors of the unlimited. > I know you may have your heart set on a new Jeep, but if the only thing > that's making you spend all of that money is power windows and locks, they [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > and discuss previews of the 2009s. Anyone know of any websites that I > can go to that can give me an overview of what is coming on the 2009s? > We are thinking about buying another Wrangler (Unlimited X) since the > wife wants power windows and locks and has wanted them for over 20 years [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and discuss previews of the 2009s. Anyone know of any websites that I > can go to that can give me an overview of what is coming on the 2009s? There are 3 excellent sites for what you are looking for, but as a former Amurrican Democrat and currently a philosophical one, it would be hypocritical of me to tell you which they are. I will give you a clue, however: although it will be in nearly every respect a Wrangler, the name will be changed.  Signature"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." -- Army Officer's Guide Sorry, not looking for clues, looking for information. Anyone else have some real information on the 2009s Wranglers or whatever they are going to be called? > There are 3 excellent sites for what you are looking for, but as a former > Amurrican Democrat and currently a philosophical one, it would be > hypocritical of me to tell you which they are. > > I will give you a clue, however: although it will be in nearly every > respect a Wrangler, the name will be changed. > Sorry, not looking for clues, looking for information. > > Anyone else have some real information on the 2009s Wranglers or whatever > they are going to be called? Have you thought about trying a Jeep dealership ? Yes, two of them. They claim no real changes that they are aware of since they are trying to sell 2008s now and have no interest in having me wait for the 2009s to come out. >> Sorry, not looking for clues, looking for information. >> >> Anyone else have some real information on the 2009s Wranglers or >> whatever they are going to be called? > > Have you thought about trying a Jeep dealership ? > Yes, two of them. They claim no real changes that they are aware of since > they are trying to sell 2008s now and have no interest in having me wait for > the 2009s to come out. The dealership usually has brocures for the new model year that highlight the to the vehicle for that year. I tend not to believe what the sales droids say without some written proof. Most sales droids just tell you what you want to hear. Seeing as how the Wrangler was just redesigned in 2007 I don't believe you will find any big changes for a while yet. I wish they would bring back the straight six as an option. Not looking for huge changes, but I know the price of gas is forcing some manufacturers to make changes to the engine and transmission to try and squeak out a few more MPGs to make the window sticker look better. Frankly with a city rating of 16MPG and the highway MPG not all that great, I would think that sales of the Wrangler are way down, but the small dollar rebates on the Wrangler would lead you to think otherwise. >> Yes, two of them. They claim no real changes that they are aware of >> since they are trying to sell 2008s now and have no interest in having [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > you will find any big changes for a while yet. I wish they would bring > back the straight six as an option. > Not looking for huge changes, but I know the price of gas is forcing some > manufacturers to make changes to the engine and transmission to try and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> you will find any big changes for a while yet. I wish they would bring >> back the straight six as an option. Just an FYI, my ex wife has the Sahara Unlimited 2007, manual transmission, and my step dad has the 2008 Sahara Unlimited with the automatic. Both are four wheel drive. Both are getting 17-19 city, and 23-25 highway. My '87 redone Wrangler with the original junk two barrel and nutter bypass is getting 20 around town, and 26 on the highway so far on the new engine. Spdloader "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.sc.rr.com> wrote My '87 redone Wrangler with the original junk two barrel and nutter bypass is getting 20 around town, and 26 on the highway so far on the new engine. Spdloader -- You suck.... braggart. ;¬Þ Kate 2O|||||||O Rubi 13 mpg - But I love the little guzzle gut. > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.sc.rr.com> wrote > My '87 redone Wrangler with the original junk two barrel and nutter bypass [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 2O|||||||O Rubi > 13 mpg - But I love the little guzzle gut. Well, somebody needs a hug doesn't she?! Ask Mike, he gets similar mileage with one of his rigs. Plus, I'm driving around like "papaw" right now. Spdloader Well, somebody needs a hug doesn't she?! Ask Mike, he gets similar mileage with one of his rigs. Plus, I'm driving around like "papaw" right now. Spdloader --- *sigh* Yea, I do. Maybe a grope or two to go along with it WEG. Well, I'll get to go to Coon Creek on the 24th and possibly again on the 7th of June, that may help ease the tension. But hey, anytime you're passing out free hugs, I'll take one. Chubby ol ladies need hugs too! K. >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.sc.rr.com> wrote >> My '87 redone Wrangler with the original junk two barrel and >> nutter bypass is getting 20 around town, and 26 on the highway so >> far on the new engine. Spdloader > You suck.... braggart. ;¬Þ > Kate > 2O|||||||O Rubi > 13 mpg - But I love the little guzzle gut. I was recently reading reviews on a rig I was considering and the comments went like this: "I absolutely LOVE it, best I've EVER owned, it guzzles gas like it's free!" I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, love the vehicle so I wonder, is mileage really that important to most of us? My GC gets terrible mileage but I don't drive it all that much, I use the much more economical Miata for most of my driving in town.... SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.sc.rr.com> wrote >>> My '87 redone Wrangler with the original junk two barrel and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > My GC gets terrible mileage but I don't drive it all that much, I use > the much more economical Miata for most of my driving in town.... That's a great point, honestly, mileage doesn't matter to me, what does matter, is big oil is taking advantage of me at the pump. They cite all kinds of reasons why gas is higher, including worldwide demand, the price of oil is raised on speculation of impending disasters here, military coups there, and none of it ever happens. But, they don't drop the price back down after it nothing happens, and then they post record profit after record profit. Profit is what is left over after the bills are paid and the research is funded. Profit is what goes into pockets of big oil executives, and the big oil lobby in Washington, and finally into lawmakers pockets. That is why nothing is being done in Washington other than these pseudo hearings. This, of course, is my opinion, and for the record, this is a bi-partisan let down, not one party or the other. Spdloader > That's a great point, honestly, mileage doesn't matter to me, what does > matter, is big oil is taking advantage of me at the pump. They cite all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > let down, not one party or the other. > Spdloader I have to agree here but let's see, in January 2001, when our current President took office, the average price of gas was $1.52. Enter Cheney's super-secret "energy policy" meetings leter that year, the topics of which still haven't been released. Since we're in the last few months of the Adminsitration, and gas prices have increased in 7 1/2 years by 163%, I think it's simple to extrapolate the outcome of those meetings. Ya wanna get real depressed? Check out this site http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html >>That's a great point, honestly, mileage doesn't matter to me, what does >>matter, is big oil is taking advantage of me at the pump. They cite all [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Adminsitration, and gas prices have increased in 7 1/2 years by 163%, I > think it's simple to extrapolate the outcome of those meetings. >> That's a great point, honestly, mileage doesn't matter to me, what does >> matter, is big oil is taking advantage of me at the pump. They cite all [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Adminsitration, and gas prices have increased in 7 1/2 years by 163%, I > think it's simple to extrapolate the outcome of those meetings. Republican president, Democratic Congress. I think there's enough blame to go around. I think they all are getting rich along with big oil. ...but that's just me. Say hello to your brother, Matt, I moved away from there about 7 mos. ago, never did see him at the car show in High Point. Spdloader >>> That's a great point, honestly, mileage doesn't matter to me, what does >>> matter, is big oil is taking advantage of me at the pump. They cite all [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > go around. I think they all are getting rich along with big oil. > ...but that's just me. Republican Congress 01-07. > Say hello to your brother, Matt, I moved away from there about 7 mos. ago, > never did see him at the car show in High Point. Will do. Stupid, In that same period crude went from six dollars a barrel, to over one hundred and twenty bucks for that same forty gallons. Plus you bleeding heart liberals whacko limp tree huggers won't let the oil companies drill or even build a refinery for the oil we can buy!!!!!!! Crawl back in your hole!!!!!!!! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > I have to agree here but let's see, in January 2001, when our current > President took office, the average price of gas was $1.52. Enter Cheney's > super-secret "energy policy" meetings leter that year, the topics of which > still haven't been released. Since we're in the last few months of the > Adminsitration, and gas prices have increased in 7 1/2 years by 163%, I > think it's simple to extrapolate the outcome of those meetings. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:36:30 -0700, "L.W.\(ßill\)Hughes III" <BillHughes@billhughes.com> wrote: >Stupid, > In that same period crude went from six dollars a barrel, to over one [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com > http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm Mr.ED flapping his gums from his Ancient Papyrus Google Text. If it weren't for Google, your IQ would be even less!!!! Message-ID: <hY-dnTlNRKNK25DVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@giganews.com> I was required to take the officer's test, while in Advanced Individual Training, which means I have a 59 IQ, and you didn't! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > Stupid, Welcome to the Bill Hughes School of Charm. > In that same period crude went from six dollars a barrel, to over > one hundred and twenty bucks for that same forty gallons. Completely WRONG AGAIN, Hughes. In 2001 the average was U$D 28.66. The average for 2008 is U$D 84.70. That is an increase of U$D 56.04 /NOT/ U$D 118.32 as you are claiming. You are off by a mere U$D 62.28 per barrel. Fool. > Plus you bleeding heart liberals whacko limp tree huggers won't let > the oil companies drill or even build a refinery for the oil we can > buy!!!!!!! Also incorrect; that decision and viewpoint is quite bipartisan. Those who are opposed are the ones who would be and are profiteering from the situation, you ill-informed NeoCon bleating heartless whacko tree-pisser. Hell, who needs National Parks and Wildlife Preserves anyway, right? > Crawl back in your hole!!!!!!!! It would be much better if YOU did; it is after all where you belong. You are a pathetic fool. > God Bless Armenia, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** This from the biggest spammer of them all! The jealous, really weak jealous retard using Linux, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath liar is hiding in Vancouver via S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca until I killed it. Then started using another IP of 24.80.200.127 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vc.shawcable.net and That's been killed by me and is now: 24.80.201.123 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 64.59.135.176 then killed again by me in March of '08 and is now: 24.80.212.226 64.59.159.43 s0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net : http://billhughes.com/temp/SWimp.jpg Whose only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self using foul language, like it did back in elementary school yard. But, too afraid to use it's name and address, and take on responsibility like a grown up. With an obsession with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, @news.alt.net, and cross posts to other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my documents, possessions, successes, manliness and fine, Southern California surfing body, beard, and loving Christian family: http://billhughes.com/ . Committing forgery over many of my posts, proving I'm a responsible American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chihuahua with its senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man. That really thinks the group's members are so stupid not to know it's the same coward, posting over and over again using a schizophrenic psychopath forged up names? You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraphs it fits so well! But, now worth a forwarding to: internet.help@shaw.ca, security@shaw.ca, abuse@shaw.ca, internet.abuse@sjrb.ca, abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox.net for forgery. Who said it also likes baby monkeys sucking their penis, like his buddy posted on an auto picture group at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com I thought this traitor's attacks were just over personal disagreements, but in reality these attacks stemming from my love of God and America on Independents Week, I realized you are actually attacking my country, and that's what you've been doing all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly and stupid to be a terrorist. It's America, love it, or leave it, so keep the f*ck out! Or let me know when you cross my American border, so I may arrest you! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and lost all rights to my American border, and someday I'll have you in jail where you belong! Any time, I'll fly and meant with other patriots guarding our borders against vermin like you. Why don't you call the San Diego Sheriffs Department at 858-974-2020 YOU NEED HELP! The moral majority say you are not only faggots, but cowards You wouldn't know about business as you have never succeeded and anything. Tell me when you are about to cross my American border and I'll fly up and arrange at meeting with the U.S. Border patrol and Minutemen for your arrest, after you give me your name, address, date, and meeting place. I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel: shaw.ca 24.80.201.123 and 24bit: 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol.com or LWHughes@hughes.net Sincerely, Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm. You are the one that ran to Canada from your obligation to the U.S. Military! YOU ARE A TRAITOR and a COWARD!!!!!! My service to my Country is well documented http://billhughes.com/ARMY.htm You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, faggot writes, lacking common sense, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO> And you think the news members won't catch on and be able to see your pursuing fag names, as fake as you. Just making sure the faggots at: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures groups know what an a**hole you, aka SW really are!!!!! God, where do they find these REALLY STUPID queer traitors keep following me around? With even more jealous girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling You pathetic little schizophrenic psychopath, you make me laugh the way a girlie, faggot writes, it gives me a feeling of extreme superiority! <ROTFLMAO> Shaw promised me YOU would never do it again, of course that was you old 24.86.24.251 IP, wanta try for 24.80.200.127? I see I killed that one, too <ROTFLMAO> But somehow scum like you got another of 24.80.201.123. Hehehe, keep'em coming coward, :-) Maybe, use little more of your language, and pornography in an original post. I should snip your incoherent, uncontrolled jealous senile babbling, so as not to embarrass you again! NOT! :-) SWimp, I'm still waiting for your real name and address like any man would list. But then you're a But then you're a lying traitor of a coward the loser. God, I love making a fool out of you, in front of your groups!!!!! I wonder what the next award I get from Giganews will look like for making a fool out of you over, and over again: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg Like to think of itself as an English major, but never graduated high school! Bullsh*t you and 24 faggot are as queer as they come it is the only reason you must stalk me at rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and make these stupid little comments to each of my posts in an attempt to get my attention, you crave. I bet you're dreaming of sucking my penis, that's the only reason a faggot like you keep following me around. Your schizophrenic posts give me ammunition for my troll killer award presented by Giganews http://www.billhughes.com/temp/giganews.jpg for the fifteen thousand of you faggot's posts forwarded to alt.binaries.pictures.autos http://www.billhughes.com/temp/Superman.jpg My map proves just how stupid you are, unable to find the link from my home page. Please have your little faggot stop by and I'll treat you like a King: http://www.billhughes.com/map.htm ONE THING FOR SURE YOU'RE A FAGGOT COWARD AND DON'T HAVE THE INTESTINAL FORTITUDE TO TALK TO ME FACE TO FACE!!!! <ROTFLMAO> Syphilis is rotting your brain, as easily seen in this incoherent babbling!!!!! This is more fun than a picnic! I may get another award for teasing these faggots Keep'em coming! :-) You're so... Stupid, no wonder you use fake names in order not to take responsibility for your lies!!!!! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:BillHughes@billhughes.com http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm > > Stupid, > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >> Stupid, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > are opposed are the ones who would be and are profiteering from the > situation, you ill-informed NeoCon bleating heartless whacko tree-pisser. What we are seeing is the culmination of the plan put forth by the Cheney energy summit shortly after taking office, the details of which remain hidden under the guise of "executive privilege." "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, love the vehicle so I wonder, is mileage really that important to most of us? ---- It wasn't, until the fuel prices skyrocketed and it now costs $50 to fill my tank instead of $32. Not that it's a Jeep... but the hubster's F-two-fitty costs about $140 to fill up. Gets a little better mileage, but the fuel costs more. Remember when diesel was cheaper than gasoline? K. > "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote > I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, love [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Remember when diesel was cheaper than gasoline? Think it's bad now, just wait. The U.S. is exporting (yes, exporting) diesel fuel to Europe. Why? Because thanks to the regulations our refiners now make the same low sulfur fuel the Europeans require. Rather than the stuff that they could not burn. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602013&sid=actxXLz22Et8&refer=commodity _futures Important bit. "The U.S. exported 402,000 barrels of distillate fuel a day in March" So basically the refineries are producing product for sale overseas, not locally. So we have less supply, so the prices go up. Time to start talking about a tariff for exported fuel. SignatureDougW As you import 10,000,000 barrels of crude per day, I don't think you are in a strong position to start imposing tarrifs ... the camel drivers would get the wrong idea, and you would have no moral defence against it. Dave Milne, Scotland >> "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote >> I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, love [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > So basically the refineries are producing product for sale overseas, not locally. So we have less supply, so the prices go up. > Time to start talking about a tariff for exported fuel. Why would they care about the imports from Canada, Mexico, Russia, the Virgin Islands [?] where counting south america in opec, the total imports are lower than from non-opec? > As you import 10,000,000 barrels of crude per day, I don't think you are > in a strong position to start imposing tarrifs ... the camel drivers [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> not locally. So we have less supply, so the prices go up. Time to >> start talking about a tariff for exported fuel. > "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote > I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It wasn't, until the fuel prices skyrocketed and it now costs $50 > to fill my tank instead of $32. I have to agree with my sister, last time I was in California I commented on the price of gas, she said, "So what? I have to have it so why worry about it?" > Not that it's a Jeep... but the hubster's F-two-fitty costs about > $140 to fill up. Gets a little better mileage, but the fuel costs > more. Check Ebay for cheaper husband? <G> > Remember when diesel was cheaper than gasoline? I remember paying $0.249 and getting Green Stamps! Remember S&H Green stamps? All you kids here, you can Google them. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote >> I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I remember paying $0.249 and getting Green Stamps! Remember S&H Green > stamps? All you kids here, you can Google them. Green Stamps! LOL! You stuck them in books and when you had enough you took them to the "Green Stamp Store" and cashed them in for merchandise. That was the '50s and early '60s :-) "Check your oil and water sir?" SignatureFRH >>> "XS11E" wrote >>> I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Check Ebay for cheaper husband? <G> Craigslist. :] >>> Remember when diesel was cheaper than gasoline? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > merchandise. That was the '50s and early '60s :-) "Check your oil > and water sir?" I still have a partial book of those things. Remember the big telephone like dialer they used to dispense them? Still have a can spout for oil. :) Several actually. And a rilly big can opener/punch. SignatureDougW > I still have a partial book of those things. Me, too. > Remember the big telephone like dialer they used > to dispense them? Yes, I gave out hundreds of 'em. I still remember how upset customers would get if you forgot the stamps or gave them one too few. > Still have a can spout for oil. :) Remember when the oil cans were metal? Oil bath air filters? Lube and oil change every 1,000 miles? Changing filters before spin ons? SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> I remember paying $0.249 and getting Green Stamps! Remember S&H >> Green stamps? All you kids here, you can Google them. > Green Stamps! LOL! You stuck them in books and when you had enough > you took them to the "Green Stamp Store" and cashed them in for > merchandise. That was the '50s and early '60s :-) "Check your > oil and water sir?" WAAAAY before the '50s and early '60s, S&H Green Stamps started in 1896. That was a year or two before my time..... <G> I recall a local self serve (remember when self service was VERY rare?) gave out free glasses and ice tea pictures when you bought gas, they're worth a bunch of money now! http://www.tias.com/11752/PictPage/1922646943.html and http://www.acmeron.com/puhs/blakely%20tucker.jpg Yes, the car IS a Tucker. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>> I remember paying $0.249 and getting Green Stamps! Remember S&H >>> Green stamps? All you kids here, you can Google them. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > WAAAAY before the '50s and early '60s, S&H Green Stamps started in > 1896. That was a year or two before my time..... <G> There were also Gold Bond Stamps, generally worth more in worthless swag than Green Stamps. Plus you could get free roller skates selling garden seeds. > I recall a local self serve (remember when self service was VERY rare?) > gave out free glasses and ice tea pictures when you bought gas, they're > worth a bunch of money now! Last one of the free glasses I ran into was in the late 80's, most were football themed. What is really valuable is the stuff from the early 50s and back to true carnival glass. I remember when you could get someone else to change your oil and filter for the price of the oil and filter. Plus your oil and tires were checked for the price of the gas. Busted headlights were replaced and adjusted for the price of the light. Wiper blades ditto. Used to work part time at a station in the mid 60's in a small town where this was still available. Pay not that much, but the discount on gas and the opportunity to check out the seat covers while washing their windows made up for it. >> "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote >> I saw multiple comments that all were similar, hate the mileage, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I remember paying $0.249 and getting Green Stamps! Remember S&H Green > stamps? All you kids here, you can Google them. Green stamps? I think we still have an iron and ironing board I helped mom stick'em for. I remember them vividly. Sometimes they were yellow, too. Spdloader > I remember paying $0.249 and getting Green Stamps! Remember S&H Green > stamps? All you kids here, you can Google them. I remember the time I got diverted into Denver Stapleton by weather one night and had to refuel at the contract terminal (AF jets make Jeep mileage look GOOD - I needed 3600 lbs or so, about 600 gallons). At the time, they gave Green Stamps with the purchase, so I had a real pile by the time I got back home - and had to turn in the stamps to the AF. I found some old photos when we cleaned the folks house out before we sold it. One was of a couple of us standing in front of a Texaco station in Brownwood, Texas where the sign had regular for 12.9 cents per gallon in the mid '50s before the federal tax was passed. That made the original 4 cents a gallon tax nearly 25% of the cost of a gallon. My, how times have changed. SignatureWill Honea ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > I found some old photos when we cleaned the folks house out before > we sold it. One was of a couple of us standing in front of a > Texaco station in Brownwood, Texas where the sign had regular for > 12.9 cents per gallon in the mid '50s before the federal tax was > passed. Are you sure about the dates? I started driving around 1949 (legally in 1951) and I seem to recall there was federal tax then. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> I found some old photos when we cleaned the folks house out >> before we sold it. One was of a couple of us standing in front [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are you sure about the dates? I started driving around 1949 > (legally in 1951) and I seem to recall there was federal tax then. I looked here: http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/1054.html Federal tax began in 1932 apparently. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >>> I found some old photos when we cleaned the folks house out >>> before we sold it. One was of a couple of us standing in front [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Federal tax began in 1932 apparently. I must be thinking of the tax Eisenhower got through to pay for the interstate system. Am I engaging in selective memory, or did $0.25 to $0.30 gas persist into the later '60s? Time for liars, damned liars and statistics: determine the marginal profit per gallon for both the major oil companies and retail sellers now and in 1965 - you might need a log scale to be able to display the current margin on the same graph. SignatureWill Honea ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >> Federal tax began in 1932 apparently. > > I must be thinking of the tax Eisenhower got through to pay for > the interstate system. Am I engaging in selective memory, or did > $0.25 to $0.30 gas persist into the later '60s? I really don't know and I'm too lazy to look it up. I do know the tax on gas has increased over and over and over... > Time for liars, damned liars and statistics: determine the > marginal profit per gallon for both the major oil companies and > retail sellers now and in 1965 - Retail sellers = unchanged. We took the wholesale price of gas and added our markup, usually 3 cents/gallon on regular, and that's been the profit from the 1980s through as recent as I was in the business or knew anyone who was. SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org >> Time for liars, damned liars and statistics: determine the >> marginal profit per gallon for both the major oil companies and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the profit from the 1980s through as recent as I was in the business > or knew anyone who was. The guy I buy fuel from upcharges 5 cents/gallon and 10 cents/gallon for full serv. The tricky bit is chain stores that adjust charges by location. Go by the highway and the same Shell station charges almost 10c more per gallon than the one a few miles away. Then again there is a truckstop that charges 3c over and is right on the highway. (of course they do much more business filling semis than cars. SignatureDougW > Retail sellers = unchanged. We took the wholesale price of gas and > added our markup, usually 3 cents/gallon on regular, and that's been > the profit from the 1980s through as recent as I was in the business or > knew anyone who was. My point was from a ROI perspective. Back when, that $.03 (my FIL was getting $.05 from Standard Oil in 65) represents less than 1% of the cost from the truck now where it was closer to 10% in the 60's. That isn't much of a return - one driveoff can make a huge dent in the profits today. SignatureWill Honea ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >>> Federal tax began in 1932 apparently. >> I must be thinking of the tax Eisenhower got through to pay for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the profit from the 1980s through as recent as I was in the business or > knew anyone who was. Where I worked it was 4c, with a 2c discount for any local resident or anyone with a gate pass to the local missile base. Essentially paid the rent while the small repairs, oil, other accessories fed the folks who worked there. >>>> I found some old photos when we cleaned the folks house out >>>> before we sold it. One was of a couple of us standing in front [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > interstate system. Am I engaging in selective memory, or did $0.25 to > $0.30 gas persist into the later '60s? You're not. I worked part time at a gas station in Green River Utah during the mid to late 60's and low 30's was the price. > Time for liars, damned liars and statistics: determine the marginal profit > per gallon for both the major oil companies and retail sellers now and in > 1965 - you might need a log scale to be able to display the current margin > on the same graph. Well, you could buy a brand new MGB sports car for $2650 in mid 65 and a Jag XKE was roughly 5400 USD. >> Not looking for huge changes, but I know the price of gas is forcing some >> manufacturers to make changes to the engine and transmission to try and [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >is getting 20 around town, and 26 on the highway so far on the new engine. >Spdloader OK, I purchased a 08 4-door unlimited hardtop 4WD automatic a couple of months back. I drive 52 miles round trip...bit of city, but mostly country. Elevation is 504 feet in the city, and 1200 feet at the homefront. I'm squeeking 19-19.5mpg on 87 octane. How is the ex and stepfather squeeking 3-5 mpg over the rated? Overall, I love the beast. Longer, wider, and higher than my 97XJ, and the 3-piece hardtop is nice consolation to not having the dualtop option. BUT, like the rest, I hate the 3.8LV6. No giddy-up-n-go like the 4L in the XJ :( I'm so used to the lag time of excelleration on the JK, that when I jump in the XJ, it almost feels like I'm going to pop a wheelie! :) Mind you, the XJ has a low 142K miles on it, and still kicking around with my oldest daughter as driver of it after 10 salt belt years plus as my daily drive and weekend off roader! LOL Eric in NNY 08 JK Stock (my toy) 02 WJ Stock (Wife's toy) 97 XJ 2" lift (oldest daughters toy) used to have 31" swampers but made it too tall for her to climb into without using a milk crate or stool! :) >>Just an FYI, my ex wife has the Sahara Unlimited 2007, manual >>transmission, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > homefront. I'm squeeking 19-19.5mpg on 87 octane. How is the ex and > stepfather squeeking 3-5 mpg over the rated? I can't answer that one, Eric. Just stating what I know as fact. The things I see right away are 1. They both use 92/93 octane as available, 2. We are at sea level, "Myrtle Beach, SC" 3., they both drive like they're old people, and 4. They both commute to work, non-interstate highway, using cruise control. Spdloader i bought new 08 wrangler,unlimited 4dr sarah x...if you think gas mileage better in 09?.....good luckk,but i do like that machine....its great! writesoon!
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