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Car Forum / Jeep / January 2004

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How do I Keep my brake lines cool ?

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ccr3 - 30 Jan 2004 05:42 GMT
I own a 1979 CJ-5 with a 401 dropped in it. It still has the stock exhaust
manifolds. I don't like aftermarket headers: so they will stay ! The problem
that I have is after 2-3 hours of  4 wheeling the brake lines heat-up and I
lose my brakes. I had this happen while I was near a stream. so to prove the
point to myself I cooled the brake lines with water and after that they
worked fine again. The flange of the manifold is but a scant 11/2 inches
from the bake lines on the frame. will consider all possible solutions.
Jerry Bransford - 30 Jan 2004 05:45 GMT
Have your brake lines power-flushed to get all of the old and most likely
contaminated brake fluid out.  It sounds like you have moisture in your
brake fluid.

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> I own a 1979 CJ-5 with a 401 dropped in it. It still has the stock exhaust
> manifolds. I don't like aftermarket headers: so they will stay ! The problem
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> worked fine again. The flange of the manifold is but a scant 11/2 inches
> from the bake lines on the frame. will consider all possible solutions.
Paul Calman - 30 Jan 2004 06:22 GMT
Run DOT 5, it was designed for high temps, and re-route the lines.

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Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 30 Jan 2004 06:43 GMT
    Sounds like you're blaming the exhaust as if it passes too close to
one of the lines, if so, relocate them, or place a piece of sheet metal
in between to deflect the heat.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> I own a 1979 CJ-5 with a 401 dropped in it. It still has the stock exhaust
> manifolds. I don't like aftermarket headers: so they will stay ! The problem
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> worked fine again. The flange of the manifold is but a scant 11/2 inches
> from the bake lines on the frame. will consider all possible solutions.
Dave - 30 Jan 2004 16:21 GMT
Yes what L.W. said, use sheet metal or I have even seen reflective material
that is very flexible used too to protect either fuel lines or brake lines.
Is there enough air moving that heat out of the brake line area?  Maybe you
might want to think about that too or rerouting the brake lines away from
the heat!  :-)

DO NOT USED DOT5!!
AFAIK  That would require renewing everything in your system due to a
chemical interaction with the "stock" fluid.  DOT 5 is supposedly great for
cars you store for many years, but not the greatest for your daily ride.  I
even think it is illegal in some racing vehicles and I think their brakes
get very very hot!
Definitely use a quality DOT 4 and flush well!  I think Castrol might be a
good brand to use.

JMHO
dave AKA vwdoc1

>      Sounds like you're blaming the exhaust as if it passes too close to
> one of the lines, if so, relocate them, or place a piece of sheet metal
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > worked fine again. The flange of the manifold is but a scant 11/2 inches
> > from the bake lines on the frame. will consider all possible solutions.
DougW - 30 Jan 2004 22:38 GMT
You know.. you just KNOW I can't pass this up.

http://www.kalecoauto.com/perf.htm

Cross drilled brake lines!

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DougW

Paul Calman - 31 Jan 2004 00:30 GMT
Actually, there is no chemical interaction, they won't intermix at all.
Changing to DOT 5 properly requires a complete overhaul of the brake
hydraulic system and flushing the lines with alcohol, MEK etc. Merely
flushing the system out with 5 will leave small pockets of the original DOT
3-4 which hold moisture and corrode.
DOT 5 conversion eliminates the cause of most Hydraulic failures, corrosion
pitting in the bores. I run it in my vehicles, and in all that I have
restored that use hydraulic brakes. Like any other brake fluid, it should be
flushed annually, or more often if you play in a lot of mud or water. It
seems perfect for a vehicle that crosses creeks.  DOT 5 was formulated
specifically for racing and extreme temperatures.
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Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

mabar - 31 Jan 2004 01:28 GMT
How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?

Tom

> Actually, there is no chemical interaction, they won't intermix at all.
> Changing to DOT 5 properly requires a complete overhaul of the brake
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> seems perfect for a vehicle that crosses creeks.  DOT 5 was formulated
> specifically for racing and extreme temperatures.
Dave - 31 Jan 2004 03:33 GMT
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom

IIRC
In most manuals it states that flushing the brake fluid every two years is
recommended!
Some people actually follow the manufacturers recommendations.
One day or should I say one year I will flush mine too.  lol
later,
dave AKA vwdoc1
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 31 Jan 2004 04:45 GMT
    The Antilock Brake System is flushed every two years:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=ABS+%22flushed+every+two+
years%22&btnG=Google+Search

       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?
>
> Tom
DougW - 31 Jan 2004 05:29 GMT
mabar did pass the time by typing:
> How many drivers flush their brake fluid annually?

Not yearly, but once every three years I vacuum bleed
the system on my ZJ.  Tales about one large bottle
of brake fluid and twenty so minutes.  Do it the same
time I check/adjust the whole system and throw a micrometer
on the pads/drums.

Failure to go isn't a problem.. failure to stop is. :)

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Dave - 31 Jan 2004 01:48 GMT
Maybe it was the corrosion that I was told about, and hmmm I thought
corrosion was a chemical reaction.  :-)

I have a friend who works for USPS as a vehicle technician in CA.  He was
one of the techs that changed over the brake fluid systems over to DOT 5 and
also had to correct the damage that it did to the systems within the year of
the changeover.  He laughed and said "good job security."
AFAIK The military uses DOT 5 more than most.  <g>

Porsche Club of America http://www.pnwr.org/track/driver_ed/rules.asp does
not recommend DOT 5 and states "Silicone (DOT 5) is not recommended for
street or track use."

other sites to read:
http://www.h-e-l.co.uk/HEL_Performance_Brake_Doctor_FAQ.htm

Initially DOT 5 has a higher boiling point that DOT 3 and DOT
4.............but........
You really want to go here and read about a little water lowing the boiling
point more with DOT 5 than with either DOT 3 or DOT 4.  8^o
http://www.school-bus.org/World/US/States/Florida/Vehicle_Maintenance/Vehicle.htm

READ HERE TOO:  http://www.motorspot.com/motulin.html
Interview.... Motorspot talks with Mr. Dave Wolman of Motul USA
" I do not recommend silicone brake fluids at all. They are fine for a car
that is not pushed very hard. One nice thing about silicone is that if you
have a leak, it won't eat up the paint. On the other hand, when silicone
gets warm it starts to be compressible. It is one of the few fluids in the
world that is actually compressible as it gets hot. When you near what the
boiling point is of silicone brake fluid, it actually has become
compressible and you lose your brakes."

Now there may be a DOT 5.1 that might be compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4,
but with a higher boiling point!
Most DOT 5 fluid has a higher temp rating than the typical DOT 4 fluid
you buy off-the-shelf.  But maybe you can find 650+(?) DOT 4 in racing type
stores.

Be safe!
later,
dave
 
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