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XJ 4.0 loses power on left turns

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Shamus in CO - 17 Apr 2004 03:11 GMT
96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
*very* upfront w/this detail long before I did a test-drive.  What do you
all think?

Shamus
c - 17 Apr 2004 03:14 GMT
> 96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
> *very* upfront w/this detail long before I did a test-drive.  What do you
> all think?
>
> Shamus

Loses electrical power, as in dash lights etc., or loses power like the
engine wants to stop running but the lights etc. keep working?

Chris
Shamus in CO - 17 Apr 2004 03:15 GMT
Sorry, engine loses power.  You gotta give it a little more pedal and almost
feather it to get any ooomph.

> > 96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
> > *very* upfront w/this detail long before I did a test-drive.  What do you
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>
> Chris
c - 17 Apr 2004 03:34 GMT
OK, obviously it is fuel injected, so that rules out float levels, lol. It
could be something that is causing the fuel supply to stop, or something
that is losing electrical contact due to a lose wire, bad ground, etc. I
would check for any lose connections. My gut feeling though is that it might
be a fuel issue. The fuel pickup in the tank may not be "right" and may be
sucking air when you make a left turn. You could probably test this by
jacking the left side of the vehicle up as high as possible (safely of
course) and see if it does the same thing.

Chris

> Sorry, engine loses power.  You gotta give it a little more pedal and almost
> feather it to get any ooomph.
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> >
> > Chris
DougW - 17 Apr 2004 04:12 GMT
Shamus in CO did pass the time by typing:
> 96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
> *very* upfront w/this detail long before I did a test-drive.  What do you
> all think?

Long shot. Check the motor mounts to see if the driver's side is broken.

Check all the throttle body links and hoses for anything that could be binding
up.

Not so long shot.  Crank the steering to full lock left plus just a touch
more (don't keep it there, it's hard on the pump)  see if that lag is caused
by a binding steering system causing more drag on the PS pump and therefore
on the engine.  Try the same thing to the right.  Should put the same lag
on the engine if everything is normal.

Another.  Pop the cap off the distributor and see if there is oil in there.
That shouldn't be causing any problems unless there is a lot. (there should
be none)  If there is oil in there you need to replace the distributor.
(easy job)

Hard to tell for sure, there could be all sorts of things even down to bad
diffs (but you should hear that easily).

I'm guessing here (as if you can't tell) :)

mmm.. Guinness. :D

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DougW

Cherokee-LTD - 17 Apr 2004 13:56 GMT
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message

: Hard to tell for sure, there could be all sorts of things even down to bad
: diffs (but you should hear that easily).
:
: I'm guessing here (as if you can't tell) :)
:
: mmm.. Guinness. :D

LOL!!! I will archive this message  for the next time my XJ is running
rough... "Honey, look here, it might be the diffs. Why don't I swap in those
44's... just in case!"
-Brian
DougW - 17 Apr 2004 14:24 GMT
Cherokee-LTD did pass the time by typing:
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> rough... "Honey, look here, it might be the diffs. Why don't I swap in those
> 44's... just in case!"

You never know when that rough running is being caused by having too small a tire
or the cabin noise from being too close to the road.

Now you can justify larger wheels and a lift kit. :)

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DougW

Cherokee-LTD - 17 Apr 2004 17:16 GMT
: Cherokee-LTD did pass the time by typing:
: > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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: Now you can justify larger wheels and a lift kit. :)

Ahh yes... I found that my Astro was too light in the rear for the snow...
the addition of three amps and 2-12" subs has really planted those rear
tires in slippery conditions.
-Brian
SB - 17 Apr 2004 14:21 GMT
Just a question on the dist cap....how would oil get in to that except by an
crack on the outside that had oil dumped on to?

I'm not all that engine savvy but thought that the dist cap just sat on top
of a spindle with a gear on the end of which poked down in to the motor
somewhere.....

sb

> Shamus in CO did pass the time by typing:
> > 96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
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> mmm.. Guinness. :D
DougW - 17 Apr 2004 14:33 GMT
SB did pass the time by typing:
> Just a question on the dist cap....how would oil get in to that except by an
> crack on the outside that had oil dumped on to?

The distributor sits down in the block and its gear gets oil from the engine.
There is a seal (bushing) pressed into the shaft that keeps oil from getting
up to the cap and rotor.  As that bushing wears, oil can work up into the base
of the distributor and start to foul the internals.   Generally the dist gets
so much slop it throws the timing off or starts damaging the posts.

Long time back this was more important because the points sat low enough
to get crudded up with oil.

> I'm not all that engine savvy but thought that the dist cap just sat on top
> of a spindle with a gear on the end of which poked down in to the motor
> somewhere.....

It does.  There is also a small blade on the end of that shaft that turns your
oil pump and the little gear is turned by your camshaft.

This is my experience.
http://members.cox.net/wilsond/distributor/

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DougW

SB - 17 Apr 2004 14:42 GMT
I've never held it in my hands so I'm trying to picture it....but I guess I
could see how it'd get up there....but inside....
I don't have one on my '02 (coils??/ignition module??).

sb
> SB did pass the time by typing:
> > Just a question on the dist cap....how would oil get in to that except by an
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> This is my experience.
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/distributor/
Mike Romain - 17 Apr 2004 14:44 GMT
When the top seal fails on the oil pump, the distributor can get filled
up.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> Just a question on the dist cap....how would oil get in to that except by an
> crack on the outside that had oil dumped on to?
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> > DougW
Cherokee-LTD - 17 Apr 2004 13:53 GMT
: 96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
: *very* upfront w/this detail long before I did a test-drive.  What do you
: all think?
:
: Shamus

Hey Shamus,
A friend of mine (Mo) went through this years ago with an Dodge van (318
w/carb) and the obvious solution was stop making left turns. When that joke
got old he brought it into a friends shop (Garry). Garry replaced many, many
components ($400+) and Mo was getting a little pissed off so he took it to a
well equipped shop where they said "Oh, it's your coil... $60.00". Mo and
Garry don't get along very well anymore.

The moral of the story:
a: check the coil
b: before you start guessing and throwing money into it, you may be wise to
shell out a few bucks to have it checked by a qualified, well equipped shop.

Good of the seller to be forthright, maybe they have tried a few things and
could pass on some more info.
-Brian
Mike Romain - 17 Apr 2004 14:48 GMT
I would be looking for a wire on the exhaust manifold or on the pipe
that is 'almost' touching.  Turn a corner and gravity does it's thing.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> 96 XJ 4.0 AT loses power when you make hard left turns.  The seller was
> *very* upfront w/this detail long before I did a test-drive.  What do you
> all think?
>
> Shamus
DougW - 17 Apr 2004 16:58 GMT
Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> I would be looking for a wire on the exhaust manifold or on the pipe
> that is 'almost' touching.  Turn a corner and gravity does it's thing.

Heh..

Like this one for my O2 sensor that was burned.
http://members.cox.net/wilsond/temp/damage.jpg

That happened down on the engine just forward of
where the O2 sensor harness clips to the oil pan.
There is a bolt and clip that holds it to the
engine block.  Seems it can get a _tad_ too close
to the header or get pinched in the clip.  The
excess heat also makes the wire brittle, I had to
clean and strip about 4" of wire and re-inusulate
it with rubber tape. (splicing is optional)

To reroute it I used the upper rear PS adjustment
bolt to hold the clip in and ran the wire way clear
of the header.

Sorry, no pics. :(  I need to clean up some space on
the ol website.

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DougW

DougW - 17 Apr 2004 16:59 GMT
DougW did pass the time by typing:
> Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
>> I would be looking for a wire on the exhaust manifold or on the pipe
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> Like this one for my O2 sensor that was burned.
> http://members.cox.net/wilsond/temp/damage.jpg

Missed one.  This is the clip.

http://members.cox.net/wilsond/temp/holddown.jpg
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 17 Apr 2004 21:15 GMT
    Or it could be your infamous ground strap and the engines making a
ground somewhere else and on left turns the engine tilts away from that
connection.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> I would be looking for a wire on the exhaust manifold or on the pipe
> that is 'almost' touching.  Turn a corner and gravity does it's thing.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
 
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