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Car Forum / Jeep / April 2004

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nvrpc - 19 Apr 2004 03:32 GMT
I have checked two books now and each book says that the big nut on the hub
assembly for a 1988 Jeep Wrangler gets torqued to 175 foot pounds. Is this
correct? Is there a crush sleeve inside this hub assembly that I do not know
about. The reason I ask is that first I find it unbelievable and two is my
torque wrench only goes to 150 foot pounds. Please advise

Thanks
SB - 19 Apr 2004 03:47 GMT
Hows this so unbelievable??

The lugs on your rims are supposed to be torqued from 80-100 foot pounds or
something (bill??).

If you are thinking that this is a lot cuz you think of lifting 150pounds as
a hard task...well, it's called torque not force.  With a 2foot handle on
your wrench it takes a rather small amount of force on your end to create
150pounds on the nut/hub end.

I was working on some heavy equipment and had to torque down some bolts to
250.  I'm thinkin...wait, I'm 250....do I have to do a chin-up?
nope....with a cheater bar I did it one handed!  Very easy!

> I have checked two books now and each book says that the big nut on the hub
> assembly for a 1988 Jeep Wrangler gets torqued to 175 foot pounds. Is this
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nvrpc - 19 Apr 2004 03:57 GMT
I am just thinking about the force of the roller bearing onto the race face.
To me this 175 foot pounds that the book calls for is a lot more then that
used on the Timken bearing on the spindle of an old Chevy drum break
assembly. As a matter of a fact they only had a 25 inch pound torque
requirement, so for me I see 175 foot pounds as a lot of pre load on two
roller bearing. I can only suspect that inside this assembly must be a
precision ground spacer that is actually sharing the load. Does anyone know?

> Hows this so unbelievable??
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 19 Apr 2004 04:37 GMT
    The axle nut has nothing to with the ball bears setup they are
pressed on to the pipe thingie you call a hub and all you're doing is
securing the axle to it, just like these little front wheel drive rice
burners: http://www.billhughes.com/Dana30hub.jpg 
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com

> I am just thinking about the force of the roller bearing onto the race face.
> To me this 175 foot pounds that the book calls for is a lot more then that
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nvrpc - 19 Apr 2004 12:40 GMT
Thanks Bill Now that makes me feel much better. It is exactly how I was
hoping. Thanks

>      The axle nut has nothing to with the ball bears setup they are
> pressed on to the pipe thingie you call a hub and all you're doing is
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Mike Romain - 19 Apr 2004 20:23 GMT
The center spindle bolts solid to the axle.  This does not load the
bearing in any way.

When I do u-joints, I don't even bother undoing that nut.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> I am just thinking about the force of the roller bearing onto the race face.
> To me this 175 foot pounds that the book calls for is a lot more then that
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Mike Romain - 19 Apr 2004 20:20 GMT
That's it man.

It can be real 'fun' to get the sucker off too!  I have snapped a couple
power bars on it.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> I have checked two books now and each book says that the big nut on the hub
> assembly for a 1988 Jeep Wrangler gets torqued to 175 foot pounds. Is this
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> Thanks
Sean Prinz - 20 Apr 2004 23:00 GMT
When I bought my 36mm socket....they had 2 types one chrome and one flat
black (impact), I got the impact even though at the time I didn't have air
or an impact wrench...but I am here to tell you impact is the way to go
removing that nut.  Buy or rent a 250 ft-lbs torque wrench for installation,
you really don't want your hub loose.

Sean

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nvrpc - 22 Apr 2004 04:28 GMT
I will have one in my hands tomorrow. Wish me luck.

Thank to all for the help provided, once again.

> When I bought my 36mm socket....they had 2 types one chrome and one flat
> black (impact), I got the impact even though at the time I didn't have air
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