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Car Forum / Jeep / May 2004Buying a Liberty CRD
Hello, I live in California, and I'm planning on buying a Jeep Liberty CRD when it comes out (the Diesel powered Liberty that Jeep's apparently been selling everywhere else on the planet, except the USA). The vibe I get is that this vehicle will not be sold in California. However, it will not be difficult for me to buy it out-of-state, since I make trips to Nevada, Washington and Oregon frequently. What do I need to do in order for this purchase to go smoothly once I drive it back to CA? Will the California Diesel Police throw me in prison? Will I be allowed to register it? Every car I've owned I've bought in CA, so I don't know what I'm in for when I register a car from outside CA. Thanks for any advice. Check with the DMV www.dmv.ca.gov- they have some good info on bringing out of state vehicles into CA. IIRC, you cannot buy a new vehicle from out of state and bring it in, unless it was manufactured to meet California emissions standards... if it's a 49-state vehicle, it must have at least 7,500 miles on the clock. Once you find a vehicle (and have its current title, which has been signed over to you), take it to a DMV or CHP office, where they will verify the VIN. You then send in some paperwork (or since you're already at the DMV office, you can take care of it while you're there). Pay your fees, and you're on your way with new plates and registration, and your new title will come in the mail in a couple of weeks. If you were to bring in a gasoline powered vehicle, you would also have to pass a Smog Check. There used to be a $300 'smog impact fee' charged on out of state vehicles, but it was declared unconstitutional a few years back. here's a link to get you started: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/newvehicle.htm good luck- Chuck > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks for any advice. Unbelieveable...no wonder Kalifornia's broke. Imagine how many politicians have worked to create all this madness just to give their patronage workers something to do. It might be easier to move. > Check with the DMV www.dmv.ca.gov- they have some good info on bringing out > of state vehicles into CA. IIRC, you cannot buy a new vehicle from out of [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > Thanks for any advice. > Unbelieveable...no wonder Kalifornia's broke. > > Imagine how many politicians have worked to create all this madness just to > give their patronage workers something to do. It might be easier to move. I'm no fan of the special smog rules California's government inflicts on residents and others, especially the recent smog program changes, so we likely agree in that regard. But it's a good bed that the State you live in is "broke", too. So don't throw stones; you likely live in a glass house. Beeblebrox did pass the time by typing: >> Unbelieveable...no wonder Kalifornia's broke. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But it's a good bed that the State you live in is "broke", too. Actually Oklahoma got rid of the vehicle inspections all because the inspection stations weren't making enough off the 7$ charge. So now we have to put up with idiots that don't/can't/won't maintain their own vehicles. No brake lights, no head lamps (or just one), bald tires... it's getting scary. Roughly 5/23/04 01:41, Beeblebrox's monkeys randomly typed: > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > bought in CA, so I don't know what I'm in for when I register a car > from outside CA. Unless you are a resident of a state where the vehicle is legal, and bring it to California as a used vehicle you will have trouble registering it, since is isn't legal. You could register it out of state, but it seems that currently California is encouraging folks who spot out of state cars regularly parked near California residences to report the registration fraud. Details available on the California DMV website.  SignatureMe human. You Computer. Me have BFH. You have fragile parts. You behave. When i was living in BC (canada) you could buy a car in Alberta, the next province over, and not have to pay PST (Provincial Sales Tax). Along with that, you'd pay some hefty fees to bring it back brand new....so for the first year or whatever, ppl would park it at home with alberta tags on it. I don't know how the insurance works on this....if you lie it's fraud.... > Unless you are a resident of a state where the vehicle is legal, > and bring it to California as a used vehicle you will have trouble [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Details available on the California DMV website. L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 did pass the time by typing: > Roughly 5/23/04 01:41, Beeblebrox's monkeys randomly typed: >> Hello, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Details available on the California DMV website. Looks like one way is simply to wait and buy a used vehicle out of state. After a few months there should be demo-models for sale at dealerships or returns on leases/repossessions etc. I wouldn't mind living in California if it wasn't for the screwball laws and repressive regulations they have. SignatureDougW Kinda funny when you realize that mexico literally has no anti dumping or ecological laws whatsoever. Ive heard stories from ex border patrol agents about a rive down there that is like a toxic waste river... really just amazing that's another reason why most companies have facilities down there. > Kinda funny when you realize that mexico literally has no anti dumping or > ecological laws whatsoever. Ive heard stories from ex border patrol agents > about a rive down there that is like a toxic waste river... really just amazing I'm hoping the new diesel SMOG tests to start in 2006, will drive the rest of these polluters off the road: http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks for any advice. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:<40B10D65.46141E53@cox.net>... > I'm hoping the new diesel SMOG tests to start in 2006, will drive > the rest of these polluters off the road: > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O ??? When you say "these polluters", are you including the Liberty CRD? I'm no mechanic, but my understanding is that modern diesel engines are much cleaner than the diesel engines used in cars from the 70s and 80s. Volkswagon sells the Jetta TDI in California, so clearly diesel cars can be sold in California, and pass emissions. And I will repeat the diesel which includes that POS Jetta will be too dirty to pass the 2006 tests which are twice what a gasoline powered vehicle is require to pass. Read it for yourself: http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > ??? When you say "these polluters", are you including the Liberty > CRD? I'm no mechanic, but my understanding is that modern diesel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Volkswagon sells the Jetta TDI in California, so clearly diesel cars > can be sold in California, and pass emissions. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:<40B18C85.24E89BFE@cox.net>... > And I will repeat the diesel which includes that POS Jetta will be > too dirty to pass the 2006 tests which are twice what a gasoline powered [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Volkswagon sells the Jetta TDI in California, so clearly diesel cars > > can be sold in California, and pass emissions. LOL! It passes emissions, but the Jetta is still "too dirty" for the People's Republic of Bill. BTW, what's your definition of "too dirty"? For example, all of those POS Geo Metros that are collecting rust in junkyards across the country, are they "clean" vehicles in your eyes? If the Geo Metro passed the test than it is cleaner than any diesel, period! The Diesel is too dirty to pass the tests required for the gasoline engine, by a factor of more than two. I've driven diesels over a million miles, they have their place, but lets not pollute the world just because you want one in a passenger car. http://www.billhughes.com/rextrans.jpg http://www.billhughes.com/kenworth.jpg http://www.billhughes.com/mack.jpg http://www.billhughes.com/white.jpg Geez, just read the link I gave you, what California proposes to clean them to, for this year, but has postpone it 2006, realizing there's no f**kin' way they'll comply. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > LOL! It passes emissions, but the Jetta is still "too dirty" for the > People's Republic of Bill. > > BTW, what's your definition of "too dirty"? For example, all of those > POS Geo Metros that are collecting rust in junkyards across the > country, are they "clean" vehicles in your eyes? L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:<40B24319.2B7A388A@cox.net>... > If the Geo Metro passed the test than it is cleaner than any > diesel, period! The Diesel is too dirty to pass the tests required for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > POS Geo Metros that are collecting rust in junkyards across the > > country, are they "clean" vehicles in your eyes? It appears I went waaaaay over your head. 4-year-throwaway vehicles that are rusting away, filling up junkyards, contaminating the soil, with their non-biodegradable components, are "clean" in your eyes. Ah, the irony. And like last post you tried to change the subject away form you dirty diesel engines, for which I don't blame you, you haven't a leg to stand on! God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > It appears I went waaaaay over your head. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ah, the irony. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:<40B29BDE.CEABE6AE@cox.net>... > And like last post you tried to change the subject away form you > dirty diesel engines, for which I don't blame you, you haven't a leg to > stand on! Liar. *YOU* turned this into an anti-jetta, anti-Liberty, anti-diesel rant. If you had kept your rant limited to *just* the DMV registration issues surrounding passing emissions, you might have a leg to stand on; but you didn't, so you don't. I saw the picture of you and your family with your Jeep. Nice ride. Too bad the driver sucks, though. It is you that changed this thread into a personal Diesel Libby thing, it's the state of California that has outlawed the polluting diesels from all passenger cars, unless they pass emission tests that will allow them twice the pollutants as a gasoline engine starting in the year 2006, which is not likely, about the same likeness as you educating yourself about diesel pollution: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=diesel+pollution&spell=1 I see you didn't sign your rhetoric nor use a real name and address typically of little boys who haven't grown up enough to take on responsibility. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Liar. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I saw the picture of you and your family with your Jeep. Nice ride. > Too bad the driver sucks, though. Bill, Thanks for your concern about air pollution. The fact that diesel engine vehicles are currently passing emissions regulations (even in California) is to be ignored? I sell lots of Cummins and Powerstroke pickups here in Wyoming. Remarkable how clean they really are. Loved the photos of you standing next to stinky diesel powered semis. Taken back in the sixties, right? We've come a long ways since your father's Oldsmobile had a diesel. Best regards, Dave Rose Cactus Cowboy Big Wonderful Wyoming '49 Willys Pickup (parts truck) '62 Willys Pickup 4WD 226 '98 XJ Sport O|||||||O > And I will repeat the diesel which includes that POS Jetta will be > too dirty to pass the 2006 tests which are twice what a gasoline powered [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Volkswagon sells the Jetta TDI in California, so clearly diesel cars > > can be sold in California, and pass emissions. Hi Dave, Well probably the supercharge 871 detroit is gone, but the four hundred horse power Cummins looks exactly the same: http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/trucks/isx.cfm And why are you comparing a road tractor with your little dually, what's good for, hauling a little fifth wheel camper? You really can't tell what years my tractors used those sysles? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > '98 XJ Sport > O|||||||O I see what happen to Detroit Diesel: http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CXI/is_2000_Nov/ai_69004396 Why am I not surprised. :-( "L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote: > Hi Dave, > Well probably the supercharge 871 detroit is gone, but the four [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > '98 XJ Sport > > O|||||||O >L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message news:<40B10D65.46141E53@cox.net>... >> I'm hoping the new diesel SMOG tests to start in 2006, will drive [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Volkswagon sells the Jetta TDI in California, so clearly diesel cars >can be sold in California, and pass emissions. If you give enough money to the right whores... er... politicians, you can sell anything in California. That doesn't mean it's clean. They would have you believe there really is such a thing as a Zero Emissions Vehicle... Hopefully there will be a few less whores come November. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > If you give enough money to the right whores... er... politicians, you can sell > anything in California. That doesn't mean it's clean. > > They would have you believe there really is such a thing as a Zero Emissions > Vehicle... L.W.(?ill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in news:40B2E9BE.E64391@cox.net: > Hopefully there will be a few less whores come November. nah, they'll just dress anyway the johns want them to I will do my part. > Hopefully there will be a few less whores come November. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> They would have you believe there really is such a thing as a Zero Emissions >> Vehicle... > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks for any advice. I love my 2.8 Liberty (Cherokee) CRD, they have been around a couple of years here. when you pay as much for fuel as we do ($6.50 a gallon - though our gallons are 20% bigger) you will be glad of the better fuel economy But you're paying for it big time, just look at your soot covered building, imagine what's in your lungs. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I love my 2.8 Liberty (Cherokee) CRD, they have been around a couple of > years here. when you pay as much for fuel as we do ($6.50 a gallon - though > our gallons are 20% bigger) you will be glad of the better fuel economy but go back to the days when we cooked over open fires....do you think your lungs were virgin clean then? Just had a mental argument with myself there....wasn't there a place in pensylvania that the coal was burning under the ground or something? now THAT's scary! Ok...back to my regularly scheduled rant.... You know those RF emissions test they did on cell phones on 20/20 or whatever show? Know how they all passed....it's funny to note, that they all passed a peak emissions test. But the way the safety boards rate it for workers/people is 'exposure' limits. So it's being exposed to a certain power over a certain amount of time. I work on radars. We were installing one near a town and the folks were up in arms cuz of the RADIATION worries (wrong radiation...but that's ok). Our engineer went and asked them all, "do you have a cell phone"...."in any given phone call, how long are you on it". I guess, on the old analog phones, if you were on it for 10 minutes or so, then you were over the exposure limits. Of course now that digital phones are out there, then you can slow boil your eyes instead of the fast fry! haha what a rant eh! Anyhow, I guess what I'm getting at..... with all the smog, pollution, food additives, etc.... out there that can cause us harm; don't forget rf emissions too. A LOT more people are needing eye glasses these days! my head hurts now.....might be the lack of good air to breath....or the crap they stuffed in to my big mac.....or the rf emissions (ALIENS!! RUN!)....oh wait, I've been thinking again...ok, 'nuf said! > But you're paying for it big time, just look at your soot covered > building, imagine what's in your lungs. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > years here. when you pay as much for fuel as we do ($6.50 a gallon - though > > our gallons are 20% bigger) you will be glad of the better fuel economy Coal is made up of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, so it burns just find underground without additional oxygen. Nitrous! :-) That was one of the hardest things for me to understand as a kid, that a rock like gypsum (CaSO4·H2O) had water in it and that cement was a chemical reaction. Radiation, good. let me have a pill to crack some hydrogen from my salt water fuel tank. Until then don't bother me with these tax subsidized hybrid golf carts that'll never be cost efficient, as long as we have gas. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > but go back to the days when we cooked over open fires....do you think your > lungs were virgin clean then? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > they stuffed in to my big mac.....or the rf emissions (ALIENS!! RUN!)....oh > wait, I've been thinking again...ok, 'nuf said! Speaking of gas....I'm waiting for things to go the way of the "Mad Max" movies! Pig poop for fuel!! that's the way to do it! > Coal is made up of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, so it burns > just find underground without additional oxygen. Nitrous! :-) That was [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > they stuffed in to my big mac.....or the rf emissions (ALIENS!! RUN!)....oh > > wait, I've been thinking again...ok, 'nuf said! People have been compressing the gas for compost piles from before I was born, Like natural petroleum gas it burns perfectly clean, but at ten times the cost, it's just too expensive. But the blue flames were fun at the drive-ins. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Speaking of gas....I'm waiting for things to go the way of the "Mad Max" > movies! > Pig poop for fuel!! that's the way to do it! >Speaking of gas....I'm waiting for things to go the way of the "Mad Max" >movies! >Pig poop for fuel!! that's the way to do it! ...naw if it came down to direct competition the oil industry would back off the squeeze and prices would drop. BTW, at least the oil companies are doing well this year, hell how could they not after jacking prices... First quarter profits for some of the biggest oil companies: BP up 165 percent Chevron-Texaco up 294 percent Conoco-Phillips up 44 percent ExxonMobil up 125 percent Surging oil and gasoline prices pushed ChevronTexaco Corp. to record profits of $2.56 billion in its first quarter, easily topping Wall Street's expectations. ...Gareth Of course like every bleeding heart liberal, you make a statement without any facts. If just one you would find just one web site, it would be a miracle! If you made a product what would you expect to make for profit? I would think more than five percent. Look at a few of these Profit and Loss Statements. The last link even lost ten million in the first quarter '04: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040513/nyth117_1.html http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040225/law017_1.html http://www.conocophillips.com/investor/reports/ar/notes05.htm http://www.stifel.wallst.com/research/company/companyNews.asp?symbol=HOFF&docKey =100-139u8374-1 God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > >Speaking of gas....I'm waiting for things to go the way of the "Mad Max" > >movies! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ...Gareth Readily accessible source. Click on Quarterly Data. Then look at Net Income. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=CVX http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=COP http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=BP or.. Go to Google news, as I just did, and type in: oil company profits Corporate earnings are public knowledge, reported in newspapers. Take your pick of news media.. ...and as for your crap about what consitutes a good profit...well thats just it, like it or not we are at war in a major oil producing country...that *should* affect profits in a negative way...the fact that the *major* oil companies are having record profits in this quarter seems to indicate that they are bending us over because they can.... I'm sure the fact they have a puppet in teh white house has absolutely nothing to do with it....and on the same note I'm sure the tooth fairy does exist. ;-)) ...Gareth (bowing out before he takes the group any further off topic...andf bowing in obesience to the greater wisdom of the blind) Which are a whopping 6.1 percent profit: http://investor.chevrontexaco.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=cvx&script=950&layo ut=-6&item_id='ps=1*pg=3' Against an actual loss last year: http://www.chevrontexaco.com/news/press/2004/docs/earnings_30Jan2004.pdf What is it you sell for six cents on the dollar? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Readily accessible source. Click on Quarterly Data. Then look at Net > Income. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > ...Gareth (bowing out before he takes the group any further off > topic...andf bowing in obesience to the greater wisdom of the blind) L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > But you're paying for it big time, just look at your soot covered > building, imagine what's in your lungs. You are arguing that soot covered buildings come from diesel exhausts? Someday you should read about coal. What do you think Coal Oil is? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > You are arguing that soot covered buildings come from diesel exhausts? > > Someday you should read about coal. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > What do you think Coal Oil is? What does that have to do with diesel engines? Coal oil is diesel fuel. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > What does that have to do with diesel engines? L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > Coal oil is diesel fuel. Where will I find lots of diesels running on 'coal oil'? > > What does that have to do with diesel engines? Are you trying to be this dense? Enlighten yourself with possible products from a barrel of crude: http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/story/images/chap08_in_barrel_of_oil.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Where will I find lots of diesels running on 'coal oil'? L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > Are you trying to be this dense? Enlighten yourself with possible > products from a barrel of crude: If it is from crude, it isn't coal oil, except colloquially. Do you actually think that diesels are the source of black buildings in cities? It's your pollution over all that's made your buildings black, that's just the telltale sign, your country is out of control, it's your lungs you should be worried about! You know as bad as Los Angeles was in the fifties, smog so bad I don't know the city was surrounded by six thousand foot mountains, it was never dirty. I feel sorry for the Europeans. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > If it is from crude, it isn't coal oil, except colloquially. > > Do you actually think that diesels are the source of black buildings in > cities? L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > It's your pollution over all that's made your buildings black, > that's just the telltale sign, your country is out of control, it's your > lungs you should be worried about! Nice rant, but I don't live in Europe. > You know as bad as Los Angeles was in > the fifties, smog so bad I don't know the city was surrounded by six > thousand foot mountains, it was never dirty. I feel sorry for the > Europeans. You still haven't shown that black buildings are from diesel engines. Nor have you provided a definition of 'coal oil'. Bill, there were plenty of black buildings around before the motorcar was invented. It's coal and wood burning that made them that way. The old stone buildings don't get cleaned because the patina protects them from further erosion. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > L.W.(?ill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nor have you provided a definition of 'coal oil'. Denial, is not just a river in Egypt. Don't you remember walking through the parking lots in the winter snow, remember the snow and the back bumpers of the diesel cars? While they were starting up under the glow plugs? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Bill, there were plenty of black buildings around before the motorcar was > invented. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ Sure, and I've just paid out 2700 quid to get my 4 chimneys rebuilt :-) The trouble in trying to convince you is that you do have a perfectly valid point. It just isn't the biggest factor in making buildings black :-) Here's a link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/uk/news/05122002news.shtml Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > Denial, is not just a river in Egypt. Don't you remember walking > through the parking lots in the winter snow, remember the snow and the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ I can't believe you completely blew over the obvious dirty exhaust pipe. Four thousand died, that's unbelievable consider it's in my life time. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Sure, and I've just paid out 2700 quid to get my 4 chimneys rebuilt :-) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ aaag ! I didn't blow over the obvious dirty exhaust pipe - I expressly said "you have a perfectly valid point" !! I simply pointed out *it isnt the biggest factor*. that's before I get started on coal fired power stations from whom the environmentalists would like us to buy our "clean" electricity to put in our environmentally friendly lead-acid battery cars. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > I can't believe you completely blew over the obvious dirty exhaust > pipe. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ You need energy to charge batteries, and your country has found out coal is the cheapest. Here we have tax subsidized windmills, and solar panels, so... expensive that they will never be hooked to the grid. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > aaag ! I didn't blow over the obvious dirty exhaust pipe - I expressly said > "you have a perfectly valid point" !! I simply pointed out *it isnt the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ We have windmills too - they are pretty good actually, and not that expensive, but they look crap as they are so big. I think we are looking at off shore windmills. In Scotland, we can take more advantage of hydro-electric. SignatureDave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > You need energy to charge batteries, and your country has found out > coal is the cheapest. Here we have tax subsidized windmills, and solar [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ You guys ain't got enough money: http://www.hydrographicsociety.org/Articles/journal/2002/105-1.htm God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > We have windmills too - they are pretty good actually, and not that > expensive, but they look crap as they are so big. I think we are looking at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ interesting link, thanks. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > You guys ain't got enough money: > http://www.hydrographicsociety.org/Articles/journal/2002/105-1.htm [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ Just so long as you stay on the east coast, with the rest of the people with black lung. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ <snip dribble> L.W.(ßill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote: > Just so long as you stay on the east coast, with the rest of the > people with black lung. You still haven't figured out that blackened buildings didn't come from diesel vehicles? You still don't know what coal oil is? |
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