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Car Forum / Jeep / July 2004

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Flushing the cooling system?

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Pat Blank - 04 Jul 2004 06:22 GMT
Can I use one of those backflushing kits with my 93 Cherokee 4.0? Will
that valve (I think I read it was a valve) that the heater hoses connect
to interfere with flushing this way?

Thanks.

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93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 171K

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Pat Blank - 04 Jul 2004 15:02 GMT
> Can I use one of those backflushing kits with my 93 Cherokee 4.0? Will
> that valve (I think I read it was a valve) that the heater hoses
> connect to interfere with flushing this way?
>
> Thanks.

Here's a link to a picture of the valve.

http://tinyurl.com/38cm2

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93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 171K

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DougW - 04 Jul 2004 15:20 GMT
Pat Blank did pass the time by typing:
> Pat Blank wrote :
>
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>
> http://tinyurl.com/38cm2

Interesting.  A heater core bypass valve.  Haven't seen those
in a looooong time.  All it does is bypass the flow to your
heater core when the heat isn't on.

It would keep the flush from going throug your heater core
unless you had the heat turned on.  If all your after is the
radiator and block it won't bother anything.  IF you want to
flush the heater core too, just turn the heat on.

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Pat Blank - 04 Jul 2004 18:49 GMT
> Interesting.  A heater core bypass valve.  Haven't seen those
> in a looooong time.  All it does is bypass the flow to your
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> radiator and block it won't bother anything.  IF you want to
> flush the heater core too, just turn the heat on.

Thanks Doug. I want to flush everything.

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93 XJ 2DR 2WD 4.0L 171K

"The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum

Pat Blank - 04 Jul 2004 23:31 GMT
> Interesting.  A heater core bypass valve.  Haven't seen those
> in a looooong time.  All it does is bypass the flow to your
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> radiator and block it won't bother anything.  IF you want to
> flush the heater core too, just turn the heat on.

Alright. While attempting to get the top heater hose off the valve, the
hose fitting snapped like a twig. So I had to remove the valve and run
both heater hoses to the firewall. Will this be a problem? I also
plugged the vacuum line going to the valve, is that the proper thing to
do?

Please forgive me for being a PITA. :/

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DougW - 05 Jul 2004 00:41 GMT
Pat Blank did pass the time by typing:

> Alright. While attempting to get the top heater hose off the valve, the
> hose fitting snapped like a twig. So I had to remove the valve and run
> both heater hoses to the firewall. Will this be a problem?

Nope.  Not near as much as having that snap while you were on the road.

> I also
> plugged the vacuum line going to the valve, is that the proper thing to
> do?

Yep.  Otherwise you will have a vac leak and that can cause all sort of
wonky things.

> Please forgive me for being a PITA. :/

Ok.  :)

..seriously.. It's failure to ask questions that is bad. :)

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Pat Blank - 05 Jul 2004 02:39 GMT
> Pat Blank did pass the time by typing:
>
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> Nope.  Not near as much as having that snap while you were on the
> road.

Might I also assume that the inside of the Jeep will get a bit warm
without the valve in there? If that is the case I'm thinking of just
looping the hose from the thermostat around to the water pump until I
can replace the valve. What do you think of that idea?

Thanks.

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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 05 Jul 2004 03:21 GMT
    If you don't feel like replacing the valve, know that you could let
it flow all the time and be just like the newer cars. Or you buy a hand
operated valve for it to make sure you car is not heated in the summer:
http://www.billhughes.com/heatHoseValve.jpg
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com

> Might I also assume that the inside of the Jeep will get a bit warm
> without the valve in there? If that is the case I'm thinking of just
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>
> "The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum
DougW - 05 Jul 2004 04:00 GMT
Pat Blank did pass the time by typing:

>> Pat Blank did pass the time by typing:
>>
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> looping the hose from the thermostat around to the water pump until I
> can replace the valve. What do you think of that idea?

It could get a bit warm.

One of my coworkers build a similar system out of two brass valves
for his old pickup.

    <===========(valve)=========<
                        ||
Core                  (valve)
                        ||
    >===========================>

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Mike Romain - 05 Jul 2004 15:46 GMT
> > Interesting.  A heater core bypass valve.  Haven't seen those
> > in a looooong time.  All it does is bypass the flow to your
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>
> --

Too bad you missed my post about the valve defaulting 'open' with no
vacuum...

Those valves are brittle.  A friend snapped his while changing plugs.

I used a deep 1/2 socket to put the two hose ends together to get him by
until he got a new valve.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Pat Blank - 05 Jul 2004 20:40 GMT
> Too bad you missed my post about the valve defaulting 'open' with no
> vacuum...
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> I used a deep 1/2 socket to put the two hose ends together to get him
> by until he got a new valve.

I read your post Mike, but I had to change my heater hoses, so there was
no way to get around messing with the valve. I wish I would have just
cut the damn hoses off. <sigh> Live and learn and learn and learn...

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Mike Romain - 05 Jul 2004 22:37 GMT
> > Too bad you missed my post about the valve defaulting 'open' with no
> > vacuum...
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>
> --

The one I saw was basically rotten, it just crumbled.

Mike
flannery - 06 Jul 2004 18:09 GMT
Been there, broke that. $15 for XJ at Advanced Auto. Plastic.

Tom

> > Interesting.  A heater core bypass valve.  Haven't seen those
> > in a looooong time.  All it does is bypass the flow to your
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>
> Please forgive me for being a PITA. :/
Pat Blank - 06 Jul 2004 21:55 GMT
> Been there, broke that. $15 for XJ at Advanced Auto. Plastic.
>
> Tom

Well, looks like the price has gone up to $23 according to the
website. I'll give them a call to see if there is a difference.

Regards.

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Mike Romain - 04 Jul 2004 15:51 GMT
That valve defaults in the open position with no vacuum applied in my
88.

Don't forget the block drain, it is under the exhaust near the rear of
the block.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> > Can I use one of those backflushing kits with my 93 Cherokee 4.0? Will
> > that valve (I think I read it was a valve) that the heater hoses
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>
> "The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum
Pat Blank - 04 Jul 2004 18:52 GMT
> That valve defaults in the open position with no vacuum applied in my
> 88.
>
> Don't forget the block drain, it is under the exhaust near the rear of
> the block.

Do I have to open that drain even with using the backflush kit?

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"The examined life is no picnic." - Robert Fulghum

Mike Romain - 04 Jul 2004 21:34 GMT
> > That valve defaults in the open position with no vacuum applied in my
> > 88.
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> --
> pat -

If you only want to clean the rads out, then no.  If you want to clean
the whole works out, then yes.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Wblane - 05 Jul 2004 06:01 GMT
Can't you get a ticket for flushing radiator coolant into the street now?

>Can I use one of those backflushing kits with my 93 Cherokee 4.0? Will
>that valve (I think I read it was a valve) that the heater hoses connect
>to interfere with flushing this way?
>
>Thanks.

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 05 Jul 2004 06:35 GMT
    It is a hazardous waste. I watch it because we can't keep the
neighborhood domestic animals from drinking it and dying a horrible
death, I turn it in with my paint waste, run by my local trash company.
I used to dump it in with my oil at Kragen's, just to get rid of it. Not
telling them of course. They used to pump it for free, and pay me twenty
cents a gallon.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Can't you get a ticket for flushing radiator coolant into the street now?
 
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