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Car Forum / Jeep / October 2004Goodyear MT/R's for BFG Mud Terrain's
I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. BFG Mud terrains http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Mud-Terrai n+T%2FA+KM' Goodyear MT/R's http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+MT%2FR Opionions? These will be used for daily driving and mudding. Not concerned about the price difference in the two. Thanks, carl Haven't had first hand experience with the Goodyears, but have the BFG's. Love 'em. Daily driver here also, and have about 50K on 'em so far, and still plenty of tread left. From what I've read, the MT/R's are great, too. But a little softer, and might wear quicker on the road. Dave >I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear >MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >carl which ever one you pick make sure to rotate them every 3K miles so they dont chop up.. you will get a longer life out of them > I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear > MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. > > BFG Mud terrains http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Mud-Te rrain+T%2FA+KM' > Goodyear MT/R's http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler +MT%2FR > Opionions? These will be used for daily driving and mudding. Not concerned > about the price difference in the two. > > Thanks, > > carl This is probably a stupid question, but I've got to ask. I just got a TJ with MT/R's. I'm guessing that you need to swap the tires from side to side when rotating them in order to get better tread life. In the old days I rotated tires with the right front to the left rear, and so on, and the spare was also rotated, but on newer cars with radial tires I've been told not to do that and to keep the tires on the same side they were on and just swap the front and rear. What's the proper rotatoin for the MT/R's? Thanks. >which ever one you pick make sure to rotate them every 3K miles so they dont >chop up.. you will get a longer life out of them [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> carl Check your owners manual. Both my CJ7 and my Cherokee's owners manuals say to rotate 4 tires, just go front to back, no crossing. To rotate in the spare, it goes on the right rear (main wear tire) right rear to right front and right front back to spare. The left still always goes back to front. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > This is probably a stupid question, but I've got to ask. I just got a > TJ with MT/R's. I'm guessing that you need to swap the tires from [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > >> carl Hi Lee, Most tire specialists will recommend same side rotation for radials. With my current set of MTs I chose instead to do a five tire cross rotation like this: SPARE->RR RR->RF RF->LR LR->LF LF->SPARE I rotate religiously every 5000 km and I have had zero issues with uneven wear. Steve http://xjeep.dyndns.org > This is probably a stupid question, but I've got to ask. I just got a > TJ with MT/R's. I'm guessing that you need to swap the tires from [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>> >>>carl I was just listening to one of those car shows the other day, they said when radials first came out they had to stay on same side when rotating, but not anymore, switch away. > This is probably a stupid question, but I've got to ask. I just got a > TJ with MT/R's. I'm guessing that you need to swap the tires from [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>> >>> carl Switch away, if you like, however, just last year a BF Goodrich AT KO's tread separated on me after I changed it's direction, saving the best of four in a two tire purchase. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I was just listening to one of those car shows the other day, they said > when radials first came out they had to stay on same side when rotating, but > not anymore, switch away. Funny -- I read a national article in the local newspaper, from two mechanics, that rotating the tires is pretty useless. That the only reason shops do it is to make more money. They said they'd never pay to rotate the tires unless you got the service for free and were there for something else. Said it really didn't make much of a difference at all. I don't know how true that is, but it sorta makes sense. If you rotate them, they have to "get used to" they're new spot on the vehicle and will wear quickly for a few miles to settle in. Do that enough times, and those little "wear-in" sessions would add up. I'm not a tire expert -- just my thoughts on it. Eric 99 TJ SE > which ever one you pick make sure to rotate them every 3K miles so they > dont [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> carl Rotation has always been a necessity for me, the front tires are always trying to cup, and the rear only last half as long, due a little lead foot problem. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Funny -- I read a national article in the local newspaper, from two > mechanics, that rotating the tires is pretty useless. That the only reason [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> > >> carl Put BFG mud terrains on my CJ, goes anywhere, now if my detroit would come in it will go anywhere plus. > I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear > MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carl Hi Carl, Both good tires. GY MT/R will be a bit more quiet on the daily drive. BFG MT will pull a bit better in the mud. GY MT/R is said to have a better grip on slick rock. BFG MT can be siped to improve grip. I've got BFG MT. Work great for me on daily drive and forest trails. Gonna boost an inch or two to fit those tires? For more clearance in front, use tin snips to cut the leading part of the front fenders and flares in a straight line flush with the bottom of the head lights: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/frontleft.jpg http://xjeep.dyndns.org/xjfront.jpg Discard the crappy plastic spoiler that hangs under the bumper. Secure the leading flaps of the wheel well liners to the inside of the bottom side of the bumper using tie wraps in the existing bumper holes. If you need fender clearance in back, remove and discard the liners under the rear flares and snip away the sheet metal below the pinch seam, especially lower rear section: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/rearright.jpg Steve http://xjeep.dyndns.org > I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear > MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carl Thanks for all the help. I am gonna go with the BFG's. I plan on getting a rocky-road outfitters 2" lift kit. 1.5" shackles with 1/2" block for the rear, 2" coil spacers for the front. Will this give me enough clearance? Thanks, Carl > Hi Carl, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > BFG Mud terrains http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Mud-Terrai n+T%2FA+KM' > > Goodyear MT/R's http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+MT%2FR > > Opionions? These will be used for daily driving and mudding. Not concerned > > about the price difference in the two. > > > > Thanks, > > > > carl I just bought some slightly used BFG MTs (33x12.5) and they're awesome on the road (all I've used them for.. until this weekend gets here!) -- not nearly as loud as the ProComp MTs I had. Much smoother ride too. Eric > I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear > MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carl Either tire has proven itself and works very well. I have the MTRs but the bfg's are respected and long tested. KH >I just bought some slightly used BFG MTs (33x12.5) and they're awesome on >the road (all I've used them for.. until this weekend gets here!) -- not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> carl BFG's Mud Terrain is better in mud than Goodyear's MT/R is but the MT/R has a MUCH stronger sidewall so it resists sidewall cuts (like from rock crawling) MUCH better than BFG's MT does. The MT/R is also a much better rock crawler and along with BFG's uber-expensive Krawler tire, have pretty much taken over the toughest rock crawling trails. BFG's MT gets better wear, afterall, BFG's AT and MT probably get about the best wear of any offroad tire brand. I got 55K miles on my 33" BFG MTs before swapping them for 35" MT/Rs and can vouch for the added sidewall toughness of the MT/R over the MT. I used to cut my BFG MTs on a regular basis and have only sliced open one MT/R since the swap. If you're a rock crawler, go with the MT/R. If you're a mudder, go with the MT. Jerry  Signature-- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > I'm looking at 30" tires for my 89 Cherokee. I am considering the Goodyear > MT/R's and BFG Mud Terrain TA's. I am leaning toward the Mud Terrains. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carl P.S. On rotating radial tires, it has been ok to swap them from side-to-side for probably at least 20 years now. The first generation of radial tires had manufacturing defects that made them come apart or wear unevenly when swapped from side to side but improved manufacturing processes combined with manufacturing equipment specifically designed for radial tire manufacturing has cured the problem. A 5-way swap is ideal if you bought all five tires at the same time. I got the following 5-way swap recommendation from a few manufacturer's recommendations including BFG and Goodyear many years ago and have had excellent results from it. I try to rotate my tires every 5K miles. LF to LR RF to RR LR to spare Spare to RF RR to LF. Rotating tires will, generally speaking, often double their life and in all cases will extend it significantly. Jerry Signature-- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ > BFG's Mud Terrain is better in mud than Goodyear's MT/R is but the MT/R > has a MUCH stronger sidewall so it resists sidewall cuts (like from rock [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> carl |
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