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The new GC with Hemi
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Brian Foster - 01 Dec 2004 01:02 GMT I saw the new GC with the 5.7? L Hemi when my 02 GC was in for service recently (recall on the gas tank).
Has anyone tried these out yet? The one in the showroom was decked out and it had about a $40k sticker on it.
Mike Hall - 01 Dec 2004 02:01 GMT A cool $57000 here in Canada..
>I saw the new GC with the 5.7? L Hemi when my 02 GC was in for service >recently (recall on the gas tank). > > Has anyone tried these out yet? The one in the showroom was decked out and > it had about a $40k sticker on it. DougW - 01 Dec 2004 02:46 GMT Mike Hall did pass the time by typing:
> A cool $57000 here in Canada.. They ride nice and sure have plenty of power but I'm not so sure about the inside. The rear seats fold, but they seat bottoms don't lift, they just stay there like a bench seat.
Not so sure it's worth the price tag.
Might change my mind in a year, but for now I'm keeping the 93.
> "Brian Foster" wrote... >> I saw the new GC with the 5.7? L Hemi when my 02 GC was in for service >> recently (recall on the gas tank). >> >> Has anyone tried these out yet? The one in the showroom was decked out and >> it had about a $40k sticker on it. Mike Hall - 01 Dec 2004 02:59 GMT I didn't like the interior at all.. some of the fittings looked and felt cheap.. liked the Hemi and QuadraDrive II.. preferred the old style sliding roof rails.. prefer the 93-98 model anyway.. my '94 GC stays in the driveway for now..
> Mike Hall did pass the time by typing: >> A cool $57000 here in Canada.. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>> and >>> it had about a $40k sticker on it. Tomes - 01 Dec 2004 04:36 GMT I sat in one while I was looking at the Unlimiteds and kept banging my head getting in and out......argh. Tomes
> I didn't like the interior at all.. some of the fittings looked and felt > cheap.. liked the Hemi and QuadraDrive II.. preferred the old style sliding [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >>> and > >>> it had about a $40k sticker on it. Matt Macchiarolo - 06 Dec 2004 01:45 GMT What is it with D-C's design team, are they all under 5'5"? I had the same problem with another D-C product we were shopping for a few months ago (a minivan, admittedly) but that damn side airbag was hitting me in the head just sitting there, never mind trying to get in and out...
> I sat in one while I was looking at the Unlimiteds and kept banging my head > getting in and out......argh. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > >>> and > > >>> it had about a $40k sticker on it. Tigger - 17 Dec 2004 01:13 GMT I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or not.
Upon leaving the dealer: engine light came on and stayed on. Hesitation during normal exceleration. Dealer kept truck for 1.5 days and had the hole top of the motor apart and the chrsyler engineers on the phone. They chalked it up to a chafed wire connected to the MDS system. well i got my new jeep back and im very very upset.
yes it has monster power but it has these hesitations throughout exceleration that drive me nuts. They are not obvious jerk u back and forth hesitations. They are an unevenness in applyed power through exceleration. I HATE it. makes me feel like its not put together correctly. My wif has an escalade with a 345hp engine that is smooth as silk through power application. My HEMI is more like a 2 stroke kawasaki as it has high spots and low spots in power application from 1700 all the way up through 4000rps. I'm sorry guys im sure my terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem.
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 17 Dec 2004 01:26 GMT Pretend it's turbocharged. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased > and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started > searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem. Tigger - 17 Dec 2004 01:30 GMT Thats Helpfull
James Nipper - 17 Dec 2004 02:34 GMT Why do you call it a truck ??
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 17 Dec 2004 05:30 GMT Because all Utility Vehicles are trucks. And that's the way they are listed under their recalls: http://alldata.com/TSB/ Maybe look to see what your state call it on your pink. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Why do you call it a truck ?? Patrick - 17 Dec 2004 04:19 GMT Bring it back, cancel with the bank. By the law im sure you have 30 days
>I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased > and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started > searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem. Jerry Bransford - 17 Dec 2004 05:24 GMT > By the law im sure you have 30 days Nope, at least not here in California...
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 17 Dec 2004 05:32 GMT <ROTFLMAO> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Bring it back, cancel with the bank. > By the law im sure you have 30 days Patrick - 17 Dec 2004 06:01 GMT Damm, Thats very too bad, you have good insurance ???? LoL,
Well i would harass the dealer until they find the problem, a friend of mine have the Hemi in his Dodge Ram and their is for sure no hesitation in acceleration, The only hesitation is Do i BURN the tire at every corner.... Lol
there is way too much power in these truck Or GC for a every day use....
My 2 cents
"L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> a ?crit dans le message de news: 41C26F51.DA8DE15A@cox.net...
> <ROTFLMAO> > God Bless America, ?ill O|||||||O > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > >> Bring it back, cancel with the bank. >> By the law im sure you have 30 days DragonRider - 17 Dec 2004 15:02 GMT >Bring it back, cancel with the bank. >By the law im sure you have 30 days Nope. by law if a person comes to your home and sells you something (vaccum cleaner for instance) then you have a 3 day right of recision. If you go to a store and buy something, including a car, as soon as you walk out the purchase is complete. Those with 30 day return offers are doing so of their own free will and are under no legal obligations to do so.
As the old saying goes, if you buy the car, drive it off the lot and it breaks in half, you own both halves..
jeff - 17 Dec 2004 15:17 GMT > >Bring it back, cancel with the bank. > >By the law im sure you have 30 days [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As the old saying goes, if you buy the car, drive it off the lot and > it breaks in half, you own both halves.. And the Lemon Law says DC will replace it. Keep Complaining and keep records and receipts.
Lon - 18 Dec 2004 04:04 GMT Patrick proclaimed:
> Bring it back, cancel with the bank. At that point the bank explains the terms "with recourse" and "without recourse" to you.
> By the law im sure you have 30 days I'm even more sure you don't.
Mike Romain - 17 Dec 2004 13:50 GMT Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago?
The stupid 8, 6, 4 cylinder engine?
Good luck man.
Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased > and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started > searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem. Mike Hall - 17 Dec 2004 14:30 GMT > Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's That is prolly why the GC is doing it.. as it seamlessly cuts out and restarts the other half of the engine.. I6's rule..
John Sevey - 17 Dec 2004 17:18 GMT > Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago? > The stupid 8, 6, 4 cylinder engine? FYI, here's a good description of the MDS system here:
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html
Please note that I'm not passing judgement on it -- at least not yet...
-John
Mike Romain - 17 Dec 2004 17:32 GMT Too freakin' funny!
It 'should' be better than the GM abortion because 'electronics are faster' and the mathematicians are better. LOL!!!
So you get all this expensive 'extra' electronics, parts and hesitations and all the rest of the crap in an 'experimental' engine to gain , wait, this is good... a whopping 3 mpg!!!!!!!
Mike
> > Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago? > > The stupid 8, 6, 4 cylinder engine? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -John John Sevey - 17 Dec 2004 19:07 GMT > Too freakin' funny! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and all the rest of the crap in an 'experimental' engine to gain , wait, > this is good... a whopping 3 mpg!!!!!!! Here's another article, showing that good 'ol GM is also using the same system. This article also mentions a similar "computing power" quote:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/041020.htm
Like I said, I'll wait 'till some of these things get more actual consumer miles on them before I pass judgement on them, but I have my own concerns about their longevity...
-John
Mike Romain - 17 Dec 2004 19:08 GMT > > Too freakin' funny! > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -John You are right time will tell, but they don't sound like they are starting out well.
Mike
mic canic - 19 Dec 2004 01:14 GMT the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has
> > > Too freakin' funny! > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mike John Sevey - 20 Dec 2004 16:25 GMT > the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has Just curious:
Have you heard of any failures with the lifters yet? Given their "role" in the whole cylinder deactivation scheme, I'm concerned with their longevity. I can't imagine that the lifters are cheap to buy, either.
I tend to keep vehicles for quite a long time, so I'm mostly concerned with hefty repair bills when vehicles get over the 100,000 mile mark.
-John
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 20 Dec 2004 18:26 GMT I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that exact same design: http://www.billhughes.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com
> Just curious: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -John Mike Romain - 20 Dec 2004 18:39 GMT Not the same engine Bill. The one they stick in the Jeep tries to run on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off solenoids. They starve them for oil so they collapse and the engine staggers along on 4 cylinders.
Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
> I don't know why, Chrysler's got over fifty years of using that > exact same design: http://www.billhughes.com/hemi_cutaway.jpg [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > -John L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 20 Dec 2004 19:19 GMT Hi Mike, I don't see how they could do it that way. They would sound like a collapsed lifters, throwing push rods. The old Cadillac simply shut the fuel off the "extra" cylinders. (I think?) A truck Jake lefts the exhaust valves, causing one heck of a drag, have to push the piston up and snap them back down, something that would blow the heck out of fuel efficiency. Any key words or sites you may think of to research this? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Not the same engine Bill. The one they stick in the Jeep tries to run > on 4 cylinders by shutting down the valve lifters with oil cut off [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's John Sevey - 20 Dec 2004 19:54 GMT L.W.(?ill) Hughes III <billhughes@cox.net> wrote:
> I don't see how they could do it that way. They would sound like a > collapsed lifters, throwing push rods. The old Cadillac simply shut the > fuel off the "extra" cylinders. (I think?) A truck Jake lefts the > exhaust valves, causing one heck of a drag, have to push the piston up > and snap them back down, something that would blow the heck out of fuel > efficiency. Any key words or sites you may think of to research this? Here's a description of GM's version of MDS. I saw an acticle about Daimler's in the past, but darned if I can find it now:
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0405phr_gmdod/index.html
The relevant text is a follows:
"Currently, we could disable just the fuel delivery," says Meagher, "but the valves would still be opening and closing and each cylinder would still be doing work pumping air in and out. So there would be no net gain in efficiency--you wouldn't have eliminated the pumping losses at all."
and:
"We disable the valves through a device called a switching lifter," explains Meagher. "This differs from a normal lifter in that there is an inner body and an outer body connected by a spring-loaded pin. For V-8 operation, the pin is fully expanded by the spring so the two pieces act as one and the lifter acts like a regular lifter. When we want to disable the valve operation, we deliver high-pressure oil to a groove in the lifter that leads to the outside end of the pin, forcing the pin to collapse the spring. Now the two parts of the lifter are free to move relative to one another and as the cam lobe pushes on the follower the inner portion of the lifter pushes against another spring at the top of the lifter and does not transfer force to the pushrod."
I believe that Eaton developed the lifter and that both GM and Daimler are using it. Don't quote me on that, though...
-John
Patrick - 20 Dec 2004 19:55 GMT One word, Never buy a new release vehicules... stay away for at least 1 year....
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> Hi Mike, > I don't see how they could do it that way. They would sound like a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Mike Romain - 20 Dec 2004 20:24 GMT From this site: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html
Quote: The system deactivates the valve lifters. This keeps the valves in four cylinders closed, and there is no combustion. In addition to stopping combustion, energy is not lost by pumping air through these cylinders. End.
Sounds sweet, eh. LOL!
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
> Hi Mike, > I don't see how they could do it that way. They would sound like a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Dave Milne - 20 Dec 2004 20:49 GMT So there's a vacuum in the cylinder ?
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> From this site: > http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Mike Romain - 20 Dec 2004 20:59 GMT It would be acting like a compression stroke so there would be minimal vacuum as long as the rings were perfect. Get a little worn and I can see severe drag really fast.
Mike
> So there's a vacuum in the cylinder ? > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's F. Robert Falbo - 22 Dec 2004 22:25 GMT > It would be acting like a compression stroke so there would be minimal > vacuum as long as the rings were perfect. Get a little worn and I can > see severe drag really fast. From their description, it sounds like the same principle as compressing a rubber ball - yes, you put energy in when you compress it, but you get most of it back when you release it. There's always some loss to friction and heat, but it shouldn't be too bad.
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 20 Dec 2004 22:37 GMT On paper. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> From this site: > http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mike Sean Prinz - 21 Dec 2004 00:40 GMT As far as the Fly by wire accelerator, My FSM on my Ram 1500 Hemi says to turn the key to the on position and let it sit for >10 secs to calibrate the accelerator. You shouldn't have to do this very often unless the battery is disco'd or a PCM flash is updated.
> On paper. > God Bless America, ?ill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Mike mic canic - 21 Dec 2004 23:57 GMT i have not heard of any lifter issues hell we haven't even had one engine apart yet at my dealer i do know that they have been making 80 hemis a day at the plant and could make 110 a day but were told to keep the 80 going so quility stays high whiuch means some delay on new models from what a friend told me whos pretty high up, he did say the dak is getting one buts its's a year out at least
> > the m.d.s has been out as long as the 300c has > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -John L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 17 Dec 2004 20:08 GMT Hi Mike, That was a sad period in Cadillac's history, I think '79? The f**kin' environmentalists sabotage our own factories, and gave the Japanese a free pass to flood our land with plastic imitations. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Patrick - 17 Dec 2004 20:16 GMT RENT a Hemi do a swap parts... LOL
HARASS THE DEALER !!! i would anyway
i would camp in their driveway.
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> Hi Mike, > That was a sad period in Cadillac's history, I think '79? The [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 17 Dec 2004 21:22 GMT Dissatisfied car buyers that say, paint a lemon on the side of that car and park it near the Stealership, usually sign over their homes to the Stealership. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> RENT a Hemi do a swap parts... LOL > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > President > Patrick Guarnaccia Tigger - 18 Dec 2004 01:59 GMT Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows:
DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center P.O. Box 21-8004 Auburn Hills, MI 48321-8004
Attention: Alan Falkowski
Gentlemen:
I recently purchased a new, 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited with the HEMI(R) MDS engine option. My VIN number is: 1-------------------------. I took delivery of the Vehicle last Friday 12/10/04 from Smith Haven Automotive Group, St. James, NY.
There are two things I feel during acceleration in the range of approximately 1700 to 4000rpm:
1) Acceleration is uneven. With steady throttle pedal pressure, the vehicle accelerates unevenly with bursts of power similar to that of a 2 stroke motorcycle power band. This is not to be confused with normal shifting of the transmission. This is a real unevenness with bursts of power at different intervals from 1700 rpm through 4000rpm with a steady, even foot. 2) During acceleration multiple, mini interruptions in power or hesitations occur. Although these hesitations are minor, they are frequent during acceleration and noticeable. It almost feels like the motor may be hindered by some type of malfunction in the MDS system or that normal operation of the MDS system may cause the engine to hesitate.
The above conditions occurred from the first time I drove the vehicle.
The vehicles check engine light came on within 15 minutes of driving it off the lot at Smith Haven Auto Group in St. James, NY. I returned the vehicle and they reset the light which came on as soon as I left the lot for the second time. I dropped off the Jeep the following day. The dealer spent almost 2 full days trying to determine the problem. I reported the hesitation to them as well. They had told me that they had been on the phone with your engineers and had determined that a chaffed wire behind the engine block, connected to the MDS system may have been the culprit. I visited them while they worked on my Jeep and saw that they had the entire top section of the motor apart.
The check engine light is no longer illuminated but both the problems I mentioned above still exist.
I am not a letter writing wacko. I'm concerned. My vehicle feels as if it can't be trusted. I believe unreliable is the term I'm looking for. If there's a problem that Chrysler engineers are aware of, that's fine with me. Just keep me informed and I'll wait out the fix. I will even volunteer as a guinea pig if it will help them resolve these issues. If there are no similar complaints than I'm afraid I may have a vehicle which I am almost certain has some huge power train issues that were there prior to purchase.
Please pass this message along to the Chrysler Engineering staff so that this issue gets the attention it most likely deserves. I am also willing to part with the vehicle for some time if Chrysler wishes to inspect the vehicle further.
On a side note; I am pleased with the Dealer and their efforts to accommodate me. Special thanks to Tim Burk who has made buying a new Jeep a pleasant experience. I am also pleased to own a new Jeep with such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs together.
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 18 Dec 2004 02:04 GMT Use their email contact, too: http://www.jeep.com/wccsapp/universal/J/index.jsp God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows: > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs > together. L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 18 Dec 2004 02:09 GMT Use their email contact, too: http://www.jeep.com/universal/J/index.jsp?actionURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/input.j sp&titleStr=Contact+Jeep&leftNavURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/templates/J/left.jsp&fr anchise=J&familyStr=brand&family=brand&appStr=wccs&prefix= God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows: > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs > together. Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Dec 2004 16:44 GMT Good luck on that, they basically told me to go fly a kite when I asked them for an aftermarket trans oil for the 3550 (before it was available aftermarket)
> Use their email contact, too: http://www.jeep.com/universal/J/index.jsp?actionURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/inp ut.jsp&titleStr=Contact+Jeep&leftNavURL=/wccs/brand_forms/us/templates/J/lef t.jsp&franchise=J&familyStr=brand&family=brand&appStr=wccs&prefix=
> God Bless America, ?ill O|||||||O > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > such cutting edge technology. Let's try to work out these bugs > > together. Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Dec 2004 16:43 GMT Check to make sure they didn't pull the bulb on the Check Engine light.
> Thanks for the articles. I wrote to DC as follows: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Attention: Alan Falkowski Lon - 18 Dec 2004 04:09 GMT Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago? > > The stupid 8, 6, 4 cylinder engine? No, not that bad. Different technology, somewhat more reliable by being a rather simple trick.
> Good luck man. I think he got a lemon, either as a dealer or a vehicle. I know of 4 vehicles with the 8/4 hemi and none of them have any troubles. One driver wasn't even aware they had a variable displacement engine. Plus have hotrodded the Hemi GC at the lo cal dealer myself and it has no hesitation I can detect. And loves onramps.
Matt Macchiarolo - 18 Dec 2004 16:40 GMT The fuel delivery system is much more advanced than the GM effort. Sounds like he might have a problem with the fuel delivery system, though...
> Is that the same type of abortion GM gave up on years ago? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started > > searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem. mic canic - 19 Dec 2004 01:06 GMT not to make excuses for the jeep but keep in mind the engine no longer has a throttle cable which does result in some lag time that cannot be removed and i like u think it sucks the throttle is not 2 electric motors basicly it also takes about 2000 miles for the computers to learn your driving habits and idle routines
> I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased > and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started > searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem. L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 01 Dec 2004 06:03 GMT It should have a nice ride, it has the passenger car suspension you seen, and gave me the picture of: http://www.billhughes.com/cherokee/ God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com
> They ride nice and sure have plenty of power > but I'm not so sure about the inside. The rear [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Might change my mind in a year, but for now I'm keeping > the 93. Mood - 01 Dec 2004 03:59 GMT The Hemi is nice, but I'm definitly not a fan of the Benz'ish headlamps. Damn Deiter!
>I saw the new GC with the 5.7? L Hemi when my 02 GC was in for service >recently (recall on the gas tank). > > Has anyone tried these out yet? The one in the showroom was decked out and > it had about a $40k sticker on it. L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 01 Dec 2004 05:59 GMT Dieter, in German means killer, and he's doing a good job of killing the Jeep name. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> The Hemi is nice, but I'm definitly not a fan of the Benz'ish headlamps. > Damn Deiter! Kevin O'Brien - 01 Dec 2004 07:24 GMT I think the new 05 Grand's will grow on people, I work for a Jeep dealer, sales, at first I didn't care for the new design at all, now that I've been seeing them for a bit I like it over the WJ's...
Kevin
> The Hemi is nice, but I'm definitly not a fan of the Benz'ish headlamps. > Damn Deiter! mark - 01 Dec 2004 08:58 GMT Fungus grows on you too. That don't make it right. -- mark www.hydrotoys.com
>I think the new 05 Grand's will grow on people, I work for a Jeep > dealer, sales, at first I didn't care for the new design at all, now [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> The Hemi is nice, but I'm definitly not a fan of the Benz'ish headlamps. >> Damn Deiter! PoBoy - 01 Dec 2004 12:09 GMT When you see a pacifica and a new jeep GC side by side you see a lot of simularity in the body shape.
> Fungus grows on you too. That don't make it right. -- > mark [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>>The Hemi is nice, but I'm definitly not a fan of the Benz'ish headlamps. >>>Damn Deiter! DragonRider - 02 Dec 2004 03:35 GMT >When you see a pacifica and a new jeep GC side by side you see a >lot of simularity in the body shape. The WJ's rear hatch looks like it was the same part number as the town & country mini-vans... Oh well. At least the Pacifica is a really nice (though pricey) Crossover.
DragonRider - 02 Dec 2004 03:35 GMT >The Hemi is nice, but I'm definitly not a fan of the Benz'ish headlamps. >Damn Deiter! The new E-class SUV is apparently badged as a Jeep.. then again their ML is a minivan no matter what label you want to put on it..
Viriiman - 02 Dec 2004 07:10 GMT Does the new GC have IFS?
Hank
mabar - 02 Dec 2004 12:48 GMT Yes
> Does the new GC have IFS? > > Hank Viriiman - 02 Dec 2004 14:49 GMT > Yes > >>Does the new GC have IFS? >> >>Hank AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
There's another vehicle I can scratch off the list.
SoK66 - 02 Dec 2004 16:41 GMT > Does the new GC have IFS? Yes. That, combined with other dumbing down moves DC made to it for '05 has rendered the GC a nutless SUV poser. A Ford Explorer is now abetter off-roader. My favorite change, they put a chin spoiler on it that'll last about ten seconds on the trail. Oh, but don;t be doiscouraged, it has a "Trail Rated" badge! Total hogwash, looks like Hell, too.
attnews - 03 Dec 2004 19:57 GMT look carefully underneath.. that might kill any desire for one of these things..
> I saw the new GC with the 5.7? L Hemi when my 02 GC was in for service > recently (recall on the gas tank). > > Has anyone tried these out yet? The one in the showroom was decked out and > it had about a $40k sticker on it. L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 03 Dec 2004 20:23 GMT That's for sure judging by the pictures Doug W. took: http://www.billhughes.com/cherokee/ God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com
> look carefully underneath.. that might kill any desire for one of these > things.. Tigger - 17 Dec 2004 02:11 GMT I took delivery of a 2005 GC Limited w/ HEMI(R) MDS. I am not pleased and not sure i want to fight it out with the dealer and chrysler or not.
Upon leaving the dealer: engine light came on and stayed on. Hesitation during normal exceleration. Dealer kept truck for 1.5 days and had the hole top of the motor apart and the chrsyler engineers on the phone. They chalked it up to a chafed wire connected to the MDS system. well i got my new jeep back and im very very upset.
yes it has monster power but it has these hesitations throughout exceleration that drive me nuts. They are not obvious jerk u back and forth hesitations. They are an unevenness in applyed power through exceleration. I HATE it. makes me feel like its not put together correctly. My wif has an escalade with a 345hp engine that is smooth as silk through power application. My HEMI is more like a 2 stroke kawasaki as it has high spots and low spots in power application from 1700 all the way up through 4000rps. I'm sorry guys im sure my terminoligy is not the best. I'm bummed. I love the truck. just started searching the groups to see if anyone else has the same problem.
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