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Car Forum / Jeep / March 2005Liberty Diesel
Hello... Despite a desire to purchase another Wrangler, I knuckled under to practicality and just bought a new Liberty diesel with Selectrak. A couple of questions - Please bear with me I am fairly inexperienced at 4 wheeling, but anxious to experiment. The diesels are pretty hard to come by right now, so I couldn't do much with regards to option selection. It does not have the Trak Lok differential. How necessary is it to upgrade, and what is recommended? I don't see much info on these diesels listed here, anyone else have one, and how do you like it? Thanks! Brian Brian. For a good diesel site visit www.tdiclub.com It's for VW diesels but they all sniff diesel fumes and I'm sure you would be welcome. Joe > Hello... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Brian I think you are a first here. Wow! What country are you in? Our Canadian Diesel is so stinky the vehicles are no fun at all to be behind on a trail so while I would welcome you to join us on an off road run I would like you to bring up the rear. ;-) The trac loc is nice and give good traction. If you ever are on ice with one rear wheel spinning from a stop, just tap the brake pedal and both wheels will turn. You can do this with open diffs to, but it is harder to learn. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Hello... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Brian Mike, The newer diesels here, like the VWs, and those MB "Smart" cars have catalytic convertors.....they burn CLEAN, and have very little smell....A buddy drives a VW Golf TDI, and even in a parkade, parked between other cars, and idling, you'd never guess it was a diesel. Also, by '07, our diesel is supposed to be lower sulphur than europe's. I'd imagine the new KJ CRD is likely to be on par with these mini diesels. Paul > I think you are a first here. Wow! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > both wheels will turn. You can do this with open diffs to, but it is > harder to learn. I will maybe revise my opinion next time I have to follow one, but haven't seen any. The busses are still a killer to get stuck behind with the top down. They haven't started cleaning the sulfur out yet I don't think. Mike > Mike, The newer diesels here, like the VWs, and those MB "Smart" cars > have catalytic convertors.....they burn CLEAN, and have very little [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > both wheels will turn. You can do this with open diffs to, but it is > > harder to learn. Busses certainly aren't the best vehicles to judge....big inefficient, poorly maintained oil burners....Talk about environmental damage.....an engine capable of pulling 20+ tons, running around town empty, or with 2-3 people onboard, except for rush hour. I haven't seen one yet that a bad injector didn't cause a plume of black smoke whenever the driver stomps on the accellerator.... Even the folks' Ford F250 Superduty is like a freakin electric car conpared to a city bus The VW TDI's are very difficult to tell they're diesel other than the badge on the back.... and the turbo whine sounds a little different than the turbo gassers.....They're maggoty on the roads around Ottawa. They get a sweet 1000+ km per 52 liter tank, and their torque peak is right about 100-110 km/hr in 5th gear. I didn't even realize the MB Smart cars were diesel till I saw one at the pump and then checked it out online to find out they only imported the diesel version to NA. Paul > I will maybe revise my opinion next time I have to follow one, but > haven't seen any. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mike > Mike, The newer diesels here, like the VWs, and those MB "Smart" cars > have catalytic convertors.....they burn CLEAN, and have very little > smell....A buddy drives a VW Golf TDI, and even in a parkade, parked > between other cars, and idling, you'd never guess it was a diesel. > Also, by '07, our diesel is supposed to be lower sulphur than > europe's. Agreed. I have an RV with a CAT 3126E that has virtually no diesel smell at all. The 7.5kw diesel generator is another story, however. Diesel smell doesn't bother me much, though. It's the smell of power. Diesel smell throws my body into a zombie like state, where I know I have another five hundred miles to go before I sleep. I wonder if you know you have a filter on your exhaust? Have you maintained it yet? Or are you going to wait like the rest of you stupid diesel buyers for your car to take a dump? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Agreed. I have an RV with a CAT 3126E that has virtually no diesel smell > at all. The 7.5kw diesel generator is another story, however. > > Diesel smell doesn't bother me much, though. It's the smell of power. "L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" wrote ... > Diesel smell throws my body into a zombie like state, Zombies don't complain so much ;-)  SignaturePaul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California Hi Paul, I wonder how much longer they will last, they're mortgaged to the hilt, trying to keep their hobby. And the new trucks are designed not to completely burn the fuel to eliminate the soot going out the exhaust, instead it now blows by the piston into the oil to be filtered out, cutting the engine longevity in half, along with using another two miles to the gallon. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Zombies don't complain so much ;-) > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California "L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote > Or are you going to wait like the rest of you stupid > diesel buyers for your car to take a dump? You sound like you've had a real careless upbringing. No, I made a living trying to keep the type of people that would nowadays buy a small diesel poluter, going: http://www.billhughes.com/chevron.jpg So, have you replaced your exhaust filter? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > You sound like you've had a real careless upbringing. >>> "L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote >> ElAlumbrado wrote: >"L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote >>> Or are you going to wait like the rest of you stupid >>> diesel buyers for your car to take a dump? >> You sound like you've had a real careless upbringing. > No, I made a living trying to keep the type of people that would > nowadays buy a small diesel poluter, going: > http://www.billhughes.com/chevron.jpg So, have you replaced your > exhaust > filter? I didn't imply you were wrong. Just rude. In my experience, unwarranted rudeness to strangers is the result of a careless upbringing. Just factual. To make a statement "I have an RV with a CAT 3126E that has virtually no diesel smell at all." and not wonder where the soot went seems incredibly naive. If you can't stand the heat get out of the ketchen. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I didn't imply you were wrong. Just rude. In my experience, unwarranted > rudeness to strangers is the result of a careless upbringing. >> I didn't imply you were wrong. Just rude. In my experience, >> unwarranted >> rudeness to strangers is the result of a careless upbringing. "L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote > Just factual. To make a statement "I have an RV with a CAT 3126E > that has virtually no diesel smell > at all." and not wonder where the soot went seems incredibly naive. > If you can't stand the heat get out of the ketchen. Well, it's plenty hot here in West Texas, but strangers aren't usually rude to each other hereabouts without some cause. Leads to somebody getting a pop on the snoot, or worse. Just a friendly "look out" in case you ever head out this way. Different places, different customs, I guess. Still don't disagree with what you said, only with the way you said it. I lived a year '79-'80 in Texas City, great people, they don't pussy foot around. I am a Capricorn, you're something that can't get along with a pragmatic goat. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Well, it's plenty hot here in West Texas, but strangers aren't usually > rude to each other hereabouts without some cause. Leads to somebody [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Still don't disagree with what you said, only with the way you said it. > I lived a year '79-'80 in Texas City, great people, they don't > pussy foot around. > I am a Capricorn, you're something that can't get along with a > pragmatic goat. <chuckle> Wife's a Capricorn. I'll let her know I don't get along with her. She may not have noticed. Thanks for the chuckle. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote: > Diesel smell throws my body into a zombie like state, That explains a lot.. John That and the five hundred mile coffee and dexxies. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > That explains a lot.. > > John I say f**k the environment, too: http://www.enterpriseengine.com/Results/HodgesMuncie2.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Hello... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Brian Now that you have met the "anti-diesel" squad, welcome. If you plan on doing any serious off-roading, diffs are an important upgrade. The typoe and percentage dictate which method is best, and how much you should be willing to spend. Aside from being fond of diesels, I never got on the ARB bandwagon, as i don't like things that fail often when used. SignaturePaul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California ARBs don't fail often when used....they fail often when NOT used. The O-Rings dry out and crack if they're not actuated often. If you use them a lot, they last alot longer! However, for a Libby, I'd probably reccommend something like a Tractech Truetrac....or if there's a desire for something that will lock, an Electrac or Aubrun Ectec if they're available for the Libby axle. LSD or spool at a flick of a switch. Paul > I never > got on the ARB bandwagon, as i don't like things that fail often when used. > ARBs don't fail often when used....they fail often when NOT used. My experience with them is only on two local guy's jeeps, they seem to spend a bit on them to keep them working, at least one leak every year. Last summer one rear wouldn't disengage. My two Powr-loks still work just fine. SignaturePaul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California Whew! > I say f**k the environment, too: > http://www.enterpriseengine.com/Results/HodgesMuncie2.jpg [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Brian Some sites to check out in your quest for Liberty off road modifications are: www.kjjeep.com/ pub21.ezboard.com/bkjjeep www.lostkjwest.com/ |
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