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Car Forum / Jeep / April 2005

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Dirty Ditch Dawg - 27 Mar 2005 16:05 GMT
Mike,Bill, or anybody,
i got myself a machanical temp gauge yesterday,
i have nowhere to mount it,,go figure,
2.5L 1991 block
,
Bill has mentioned making a "T" where the original sensor is located,

so im going to make one on my mill for both temp sensors,
heres my question,

when i mill and tap my adaptor, can i put another small (1/8 04 1/4)
copper line to the thermostat cover(ive a big bolt with a small thread
here) or splice into
the hose that runs into my intake?
my reasoning is this,
it will get a fow of water through the probe-block im making,
,
but im worried it might disrupt the needed flow through the block
so im looking for opinions,
,
thanks,
johnp
DougW - 27 Mar 2005 16:24 GMT
Dirty Ditch Dawg did pass the time by typing:
> Mike,Bill, or anybody,
> i got myself a machanical temp gauge yesterday,
> i have nowhere to mount it,,go figure,
> 2.5L 1991 block

Unlike oil pressure, a temp gauge needs flow to work properly.  I'm
not sure a T would work for that reason.  It would probably create
an air pocket.

This is one aproach that splices into the radiator line.
http://www.mountainperformance.com/images/gauge_water__hose-800.jpg

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Dirty Ditch Dawg - 27 Mar 2005 16:45 GMT
Doug,
i want to do the same thing,
only my probe block would attach(intake) to the original hole in the
block that the
original probe went into,
than i want to make an outlet, line to somewhere,
hence the question,
of tapping into the termostat cover or the hose going into my intake,
this i thought would give me a more accurate reading ov my block/water
temp,
johnp
DougW - 27 Mar 2005 16:57 GMT
Dirty Ditch Dawg did pass the time by typing:
> Doug,
> i want to do the same thing,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> this i thought would give me a more accurate reading ov my block/water
> temp,

I see what your trying to do.  That would take a port running to the suction
side to create flow.  Is there enough space in the thermostat cover to mill
another probe port?
Mike Romain - 27 Mar 2005 16:38 GMT
Anything that gets above the head is prone to air locking and temp gauge
sensors usually need to be in the head.

Why do you want two temperature gauges anyway?

Why don't you just put a sensor that works for your new gauge in the
proper hole ?

I have a link to the stock ones and what their readings are if this
helps:

http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/electrical/gauges/

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> Mike,Bill, or anybody,
> i got myself a machanical temp gauge yesterday,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> thanks,
> johnp
Dirty Ditch Dawg - 27 Mar 2005 17:03 GMT
Mike,
my original sensor is only 1/4 wide, screwing into  the block,
tiny,,,grrr,
the machanical sensor is 1/2 inch,
the probe wont even get into the block,
,
and yes on the airlock, thats why i wanted to put in a return line,
to keep the water flowing over the sensor,
i have a drawing of the block im thinking of making if you want a peek,
,
otherwise i have made up a raidiator hose adaptor for it already,
but wanted to keep it closer to the rear of the block, as im assuming
the temp reading would be more accurate.
,
johnp
,
Mike Romain - 27 Mar 2005 17:24 GMT
With all the hundreds of sensors out there why didn't you just get one
to fit the Jeep engine?  I also think the stock sensor threads are
larger than you think.  Maybe 1/2" with a small nut shape.

The only real safe and accurate place to put a sensor is in the top part
of the head where the most heat seems to be generated.  It also tells
you 'fast' if you are air locked because the gauge pins out quick in
steam so you hopeful don't bake a head over an air bubble.

A return line will not work.  A top rad hose won't work for the above
head burning reason.  Forget the lower rad hose, it is cold already. You
can get 'some' degree of accuracy in the intake manifold's water jacket
because that bypasses the rad, but again you lose the air bubble
safety.  Same/worse for in the t-stat cover.  The t-stat can stick so
your gauge says all is fine as your engine melts down.

If it was mine, I would just get the correct sensor....  Or maybe try to
tap the head, but......

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> Mike,
> my original sensor is only 1/4 wide, screwing into  the block,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> johnp
> ,
Dirty Ditch Dawg - 27 Mar 2005 22:25 GMT
Mike, or anybody,
i went back to the auto-parts store, they looked in the book,
they cant find a 3/8 sensor,
and yes i took out my sensor, its 3-friggen 8ths,,,FRIG,,,
from what the guy said he couldent even find a3/8ths sensor for an
electrical unit,
,
im going to contact autometer tommorrow,
but it dont look good,
,
and im not looking to tap out my block,
this sucks,
,
johnp
,

> With all the hundreds of sensors out there why didn't you just get one
> to fit the Jeep engine?  I also think the stock sensor threads are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 27 Mar 2005 22:44 GMT
    You can bet Autometer or any of the big name manufacturers are
making the sending units as small as possible. Try connect it directly
to the thermostat housing in the stock position, then look for any codes
it throws, that may tell us it also needs the stock (anything in the
ball park sensor) reading.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Mike, or anybody,
> i went back to the auto-parts store, they looked in the book,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> ,
> johnp
Mike Romain - 27 Mar 2005 23:24 GMT
What kind or which model of gauge?   Does it have the sealed tube with
the bulb end?  If so autometer says it has the bulbs for the 3/8" sensor
holes on the one I looked at, you can just order a different tube.

http://hp.autometer.com/instructions/002432_instruction.pdf

Mike

> Mike, or anybody,
> i went back to the auto-parts store, they looked in the book,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Dirty Ditch Dawg - 28 Mar 2005 00:39 GMT
Thanks Mike, i just got back from the auto-parts store again, and after
argueing with him, andf looking in his book, i said the hell with it
and
got the electrical unit, after showing him that it DOES come with the
3/8 sender,
its she sport-comp series,
with what he had to refund me, i picked up the Volt meter,
im hoping the electrical unit is better than the stock one i have now,
,
johnp
,

> What kind or which model of gauge?   Does it have the sealed tube with
> the bulb end?  If so autometer says it has the bulbs for the 3/8" sensor
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Mike Romain - 28 Mar 2005 01:03 GMT
You are welcome.  Jeep engines are way too common to have to do that
much work just for a mechanical gauge.....  My CJ7 came stock with a
mechanical oil gauge.  I 'like' that.  I can tell when I am down a quart
even, the pressure drops a bit when hot.

Mike

> Thanks Mike, i just got back from the auto-parts store again, and after
> argueing with him, andf looking in his book, i said the hell with it
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Dirty Ditch Dawg - 28 Mar 2005 02:12 GMT
Ya, but im bettin you got an 8 or 6 not a stikin 4banger,,,grin,,
,
i  did get a machanical "full sweep" oil gauge, 20 at idle, and 40
runnin  2500

im wondering how much trouble the gas gauge is going to be,
know if i can use my stock sender?
i know my stock is 0-empty and 88 full

and the one imbuying is 0-empty and 90 full,
sport-comp GM 65-present.
gauge number 3514

whats the 2-points gonna do to me?
im hoping to use my existing sender,,, dont want to drop the tank,

johnp
Dirty Ditch Dawg - 27 Mar 2005 22:25 GMT
Mike, or anybody,
i went back to the auto-parts store, they looked in the book,
they cant find a 3/8 sensor,
and yes i took out my sensor, its 3-friggen 8ths,,,FRIG,,,
from what the guy said he couldent even find a3/8ths sensor for an
electrical unit,
,
im going to contact autometer tommorrow,
but it dont look good,
,
and im not looking to tap out my block,
this sucks,
,
johnp
,

> With all the hundreds of sensors out there why didn't you just get one
> to fit the Jeep engine?  I also think the stock sensor threads are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Dirty Ditch Dawg - 27 Mar 2005 22:25 GMT
Mike, or anybody,
i went back to the auto-parts store, they looked in the book,
they cant find a 3/8 sensor,
and yes i took out my sensor, its 3-friggen 8ths,,,FRIG,,,
from what the guy said he couldent even find a3/8ths sensor for an
electrical unit,
,
im going to contact autometer tommorrow,
but it dont look good,
,
and im not looking to tap out my block,
this sucks,
,
johnp
,

> With all the hundreds of sensors out there why didn't you just get one
> to fit the Jeep engine?  I also think the stock sensor threads are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Robb S - 11 Apr 2005 06:33 GMT
hey Mike, I see all kinds of gauges for cj's.  Know of any for YJ's  Mine's
an 89.  I'm not sure on the brand I need.....  I am aware that all of these
jeeps seem to have gauge problems.  I'm new at this, but it seems that it's
weather related (Moisture).  I plan on replacing some, and putting them in
the stock position, but I'm planning on adding others  (OIL) because the
stock gauges have made me paranoid.  But the best one I did so far, was
remove the cl0ck and replace it with a vacuum gauge....attached it to the
intake....  wanted to do the brake line, but didn't want to add another
potential leak point.  anyway, for the dirty ditch dawg, I don't believe
that that small a line would effect the water/temp situation unless you
were low on water.  Usually those radiators are oversized.  I had mine flow
tested.  The guys say it will cool a chevy 350.  The thermostat will flow
water accordingly.  Like when you remove the thermostat, you can't get the
motor to run at normal temp, always runs cool?  Plenty of flow.  A 1/4 inch
line is like PI_Sing in the wind.....
good luck
Robb-Seattle WA
 
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