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Car Forum / Jeep / April 2005

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Locked in 4W offroad

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footballgod214@hotmail.com - 05 Apr 2005 18:58 GMT
I loaned my jeep (1999 XJ limited) to a friend who drove it to Wallmart
and back (about an hour total). The next time I drove it, she was
"locked" in 4WD, the kind that ain't supposed to be on dry pavement.
The person who dove it swore she never touched the shift lever, and the
Jeep never drove funny. I drove it very slow to a garage. They said the
grease in the hubs was old and sticky, and would not release back into
2WD. They replaced the grease (free) and all is well.

Questions:

1- this jeep does not have locking hubs..it's all done at the TC, so
what is the garage talking about?

2- Is it even remotely possible for this to have happened without the
driver touching the 4WD shift lever?

3- as a side question, the TC also has a 4WD option that is meant for
dry pavement, kind of like AWD. How deos the front end diff know which
setting the shifter is in?
Mike Romain - 05 Apr 2005 19:07 GMT
Wow....

Well you have 'no' grease in your 'hubs' except what is inside the
sealed bearings.

All the 4x? shifting is done in the t-case, your front wheels, axles
diff and driveshaft always turn.

When you go to 'full time' it has a center 'differential' of sorts so
again the front end don't care, it's always spinning along.

The gear shifter could move if you have a snapped off engine or tranny
mount and floor it hard or pop the clutch a few times, you know like the
beginner 'bucking bronco' trip with a clutch.  Something has to be broke
to move the shifter that way though.

If the shifter will not come out of 4 high because you have bound up the
drivetrain by driving on the street, you can usually goose it in reverse
to unwind things.  Sometimes you even have to spin the tires to let it
loose.

Then the shifter linkage could just need grease too, they can seize
up....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

> I loaned my jeep (1999 XJ limited) to a friend who drove it to Wallmart
> and back (about an hour total). The next time I drove it, she was
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> dry pavement, kind of like AWD. How deos the front end diff know which
> setting the shifter is in?
Matt Macchiarolo - 05 Apr 2005 21:39 GMT
> Wow....
>
> Well you have 'no' grease in your 'hubs' except what is inside the
> sealed bearings.

Meaning the OP just got fleeced by the garage.
Mike Romain - 05 Apr 2005 22:14 GMT
> > Wow....
> >
> > Well you have 'no' grease in your 'hubs' except what is inside the
> > sealed bearings.
> >
> Meaning the OP just got fleeced by the garage.

Custom automatic hubs?  LOL!

Mike
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 05 Apr 2005 22:47 GMT
Hi Mike,
    Well at least they didn't charge him, I my heyday, I would have
thrown the blocks to him, telling him how he was going to crash, burn
and die.
    Can you remember the first advertisements for the YJs, pictured on
a trail along a cliff where there was no room to get out and turn in the
hubs. They called their hubs "automatic".
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Custom automatic hubs?  LOL!
>
> Mike
Mike Romain - 05 Apr 2005 22:58 GMT
Well...you know there 'are' things to be said for automatic hubs.....  I
have remembered half way through one big hole about one hub I
missed.....  Lots of folks got photos figuring I was going to fall off
the hood and muddy bumper....

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>      Well at least they didn't charge him, I my heyday, I would have
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >
> > Mike
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 06 Apr 2005 00:43 GMT
    LOL.
    I remember wondering if there was such a thing a automatic hubs as
Chevy was saying the same thing. I remember wondering about how it could
work. I wasn't until about '94 that my Brother-in-law showed me all it
was only an axle disconnect.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Well...you know there 'are' things to be said for automatic hubs.....  I
> have remembered half way through one big hole about one hub I
> missed.....  Lots of folks got photos figuring I was going to fall off
> the hood and muddy bumper....
>
> Mike
Matt Macchiarolo - 05 Apr 2005 23:08 GMT
Ahh, I missed the "free" part. They didn't charge him because they really
didn't do anything but have a good laugh.

> Hi Mike,
>     Well at least they didn't charge him, I my heyday, I would have
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>>
>> Mike
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 06 Apr 2005 00:32 GMT
    You can bet they setting him up for a kill.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Ahh, I missed the "free" part. They didn't charge him because they really
> didn't do anything but have a good laugh.
Kevin in San Diego - 06 Apr 2005 04:15 GMT
Yes, they gave him a line and told him they fixed it for free. After all it
is a jeep and it will be back for more repairs. Only next time, it will be
an expensive set of muffler bearings.
KH

>     You can bet they setting him up for a kill.
>        God Bless America, ?ill O|||||||O
> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 06 Apr 2005 04:28 GMT
   The more expensive one with chrome triple reverse.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> Yes, they gave him a line and told him they fixed it for free. After all it
> is a jeep and it will be back for more repairs. Only next time, it will be
> an expensive set of muffler bearings.
> KH
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 06 Apr 2005 04:31 GMT
    And see that leaking shock absorber, the one I shot the rubber lube
on last week.
Cherokee-Ltd - 06 Apr 2005 09:03 GMT
"L.W. ("?ill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> wrote in message

>     Well at least they didn't charge him, I my heyday, I would have
> thrown the blocks to him, telling him how he was going to crash, burn
> and die.

Now you do it for free on the net!!

-Brian
Cherokee-Ltd - 06 Apr 2005 09:10 GMT
I'd bet Bill's left testicle that you have a low tire. The shop had it up in
the air and it slipped back into 2WD. I'd bet Bill's right testicle that
they made up the hub story because they don't know what they did to fix it.
Next time you're there ask them to show you where/how they greased the hubs.

-Brian

>I loaned my jeep (1999 XJ limited) to a friend who drove it to Wallmart
> and back (about an hour total). The next time I drove it, she was
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> dry pavement, kind of like AWD. How deos the front end diff know which
> setting the shifter is in?
 
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