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Carl Saiyed - 28 May 2005 01:50 GMT
The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me
a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the
aftermarket tomken rear bumper on my 89 YJ. Is the hi-lift as tough as my
rear bumper? I don't want to damage it. Other suggestions for mounting on a
YJ?

Also, hi-lift use tips?

Thanks,

Carl
jbjeep - 28 May 2005 02:58 GMT
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>>Also, hi-lift use tips?

NEVER, EVER, EVER have your head or other body parts directly over the handle of the
jack (other than your hand, obviously).  Broken heads, jaws, arms, etc are all very
common with improper use of a highlift.

NEVER get under the rig with a highlift holding it up.  Make sure there is another
jack, and some sort of block so that if it falls it will not crush you.

Keep your jack well lubed (white lithium works wonders on it)...or its not going to
work when you need it to.

Be very careful when using the jack.

When used carefully they can be a wonderfully usefull tool ... for getting unstuck.
I have driven off a highlift jack more than once back when my rig was stock.  Or
jacked it up to put rocks under the wheels.

If there is a way to avoid it, dont use the highlift for changing a blown tire.

I am sure the others will chime in with lots more information.
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 03:14 GMT
Hi Jennifer,
     Excellent advice.
     And it lets me show this Darwin candidate:
http://www.webejeepin.com/images/Glenns_Jeep/hi-lift-action-lg.jpg
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> NEVER, EVER, EVER have your head or other body parts directly over the handle of the
> jack (other than your hand, obviously).  Broken heads, jaws, arms, etc are all very
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>
> I am sure the others will chime in with lots more information.
Lon - 28 May 2005 03:59 GMT
   Speaking of Darwin Candidates, did anyone from the SF Bay area get a
   good look at the SUV that flipped on its side from some tourist
   trying to take it down Lombard's snake area?  Looked like a Ford
   Exploder, but was busy and couldn't really ident it before the
   news changed topic.

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed:
> Hi Jennifer,
>       Excellent advice.
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>>
>>I am sure the others will chime in with lots more information.
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 05:25 GMT
    Kalifornia's already banned most SUVs we just don't know it yet:
http://www.energybulletin.net/1465.html
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

>     Speaking of Darwin Candidates, did anyone from the SF Bay area get a
>     good look at the SUV that flipped on its side from some tourist
>     trying to take it down Lombard's snake area?  Looked like a Ford
>     Exploder, but was busy and couldn't really ident it before the
>     news changed topic.
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 03:04 GMT
Hi Carl,
    Mike here likes to call the Hi-Lift the Widowmaker, you must treat
it with respect. Like you will see it begin to bow on normal jacking,
the point at which it springs out to kill you can not be guestimated.
Also when jacking it down it may collapsed instantly with any warning.
Read their manual:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041011181145/http://www.hi-lift.com/manual/manual.htm
   Some mount suggestions:
http://www.4x4now.com/bu98tjc.htm
http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/hilift/
http://www.jdlawhon.com/jeeperman.html
https://www.expeditionexchange.com/roversolutions/indexmain.shtml
http://www.trailquest.com/tools/hi_lift_jack.shtml
   You might have your next of kin bookmark these for the future law
suits: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t9942.html Expert
witnesses: http://jurispro.com/expertSearch_2.asp?SubCatID=6010 
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

Carl Sailed wrote:

> The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me
> a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the
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>
> Carl
Mike Romain - 28 May 2005 14:19 GMT
The best or better said 'proper' place to mount one of those 'widow
maker' jacks is on the back wall of the garage or barn which also is the
only safe place to use it.

It really amazes me that folks bring a farm tool in a Jeep and expect it
to be a miracle tool or something.

Some poor fool farm boy couldn't afford a real jack or even a hand winch
so he got stupidly creative and figured out he could use dad's barn
lifter and fence post puller with a chunk of chain to pull his Jeep out
of the back 40.

Unfortunately someone else saw him do it so now we have a trend of
bringing killing and maiming tools along on an already dangerous sport.

I can change a tire, jack up my Jeep to put logs or rocks under it, push
it over and even drive off my hydraulic floor jack I keep tucked in
behind the passenger seat and if my Warn winch quits, I have a hand back
up winch...

My $0.02,

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
 

> The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me
> a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the
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>
> Carl
Robert Bills - 28 May 2005 15:50 GMT
I agree with Mike.  I used to carry a hi-lift, but no longer.  I've
seen too many of them collapse under load, and more than one handle go
out of control and whack the operator.  I carry a bottle jack for
jacking and a Warn winch for pulling.  I also carry a Ham radio to call
for medical assistance the next time I see a jeeper nearly kill himself
with a hi-lift.

Truthfully, I think most hi-lifts are mounted to make jeeps "look
good," and most are seldom used, if ever.
Jeff Strickland - 01 Jun 2005 02:08 GMT
> I agree with Mike.  I used to carry a hi-lift, but no longer.  I've
> seen too many of them collapse under load, and more than one handle go
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> Truthfully, I think most hi-lifts are mounted to make jeeps "look
> good," and most are seldom used, if ever.

I use mine alot. Never for service work, only for recovery. It's hard to
stack rocks under the tires when the tires are resting on the rocks.
Jeff Strickland - 01 Jun 2005 02:10 GMT
Despite the fact that I use my HiLift jack way too much - nobody should get
stuck as much as I manage to get stuck - I agree with Mike that the HiLift
is very possibly the most dangerous tool you will ever own and use.

> The best or better said 'proper' place to mount one of those 'widow
> maker' jacks is on the back wall of the garage or barn which also is the
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> >
> > Carl
Stephen Cowell - 28 May 2005 15:46 GMT
...

> Also, hi-lift use tips?

Aside from all the other horror stories... if you *must* use
this thing, make sure that you watch the mechanism carefully
when jacking, both up and down... make sure the pins are
fully engaged in their holes before ending your stroke.  In
the same vein, don't jack quickly, and make sure that the
handle strokes from lock to lock before reversing direction.
That's the one that gets folks in trouble... aside from rolling
off of it, or having it spit out from under the bumper sideways.
__
Steve
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Snow - 28 May 2005 17:14 GMT
Isn't this thing sort of based on the old style bumper jacks?  I have never
seen one (high lift that is).

Snow

> The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got
> me
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>
> Carl
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 20:21 GMT
    Yup: http://www.billhughes.com/realTBird.jpg 
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com

> Isn't this thing sort of based on the old style bumper jacks?  I have never
> seen one (high lift that is).
>
> Snow
Mike Romain - 28 May 2005 20:40 GMT
The other trip is the bumper jacks were really 'well' behaved compared
to the high lifts....

Scary eh....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:

>      Yup: http://www.billhughes.com/realTBird.jpg
>         God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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> >
> > Snow
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 21:04 GMT
Hi Mike,
    Not really, the jack did have a notch to hook into under the
bumper, but even that was as high as I felt comfortable with. Remember
there was no other way to change a tire say on this Nash:
http://www.nls.net/mp/mikemonett/Nash52/Nash52.htm Remember we had to
jack the body high enough to slide the tire out from under and between
the axle.
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/

> The other trip is the bumper jacks were really 'well' behaved compared
> to the high lifts....
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> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Mike Romain - 28 May 2005 22:06 GMT
That is what I meant.  The fact that the jack was designed
'specifically' to fit your vehicle with the slots made them a 'lot' more
stable than the high lift can ever dream of.

They also took trying to get them to spontaneously send the handle
ballistic or drop to the ground, not like a high lift that would rather
do that than work.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>      Not really, the jack did have a notch to hook into under the
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> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 23:56 GMT
Hi Mike,
    True. But it still would automatically jack down so long as the
handle would stay in it, before it slung off, and it would slip
completely down, too if we didn't complete each racket sequence:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/TBirdjack.mpg
       God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com

> That is what I meant.  The fact that the jack was designed
> 'specifically' to fit your vehicle with the slots made them a 'lot' more
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>
> Mike
Howard Eisenhauer - 29 May 2005 00:31 GMT
I once inherited a high lift jack with a work vehicle, gave it away
the first chance I got :).

If you really must have it on your jeep have a look here-

http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15463

Gotta be the neatest cleanest most sensible idea I've seen yet for
these things.

Howard

http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Tonka.html

>The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me
>a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the
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>
>Carl
Jeep - 29 May 2005 12:36 GMT
I just put a bikini, windjammer and toneau cover on the Jeep and used bungie
cords to mount it on top of the roll bars just behind the speaker
pods...fits perfectly and looks great...

Jeff
'03 TJ & '95 ZJ

>I once inherited a high lift jack with a work vehicle, gave it away
> the first chance I got :).
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>>
>>Carl
 
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