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Hi-Lift mounting
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Carl Saiyed - 28 May 2005 01:50 GMT The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the aftermarket tomken rear bumper on my 89 YJ. Is the hi-lift as tough as my rear bumper? I don't want to damage it. Other suggestions for mounting on a YJ?
Also, hi-lift use tips?
Thanks,
Carl
jbjeep - 28 May 2005 02:58 GMT <snip>
>>Also, hi-lift use tips? NEVER, EVER, EVER have your head or other body parts directly over the handle of the jack (other than your hand, obviously). Broken heads, jaws, arms, etc are all very common with improper use of a highlift.
NEVER get under the rig with a highlift holding it up. Make sure there is another jack, and some sort of block so that if it falls it will not crush you.
Keep your jack well lubed (white lithium works wonders on it)...or its not going to work when you need it to.
Be very careful when using the jack.
When used carefully they can be a wonderfully usefull tool ... for getting unstuck. I have driven off a highlift jack more than once back when my rig was stock. Or jacked it up to put rocks under the wheels.
If there is a way to avoid it, dont use the highlift for changing a blown tire.
I am sure the others will chime in with lots more information.
L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 03:14 GMT Hi Jennifer, Excellent advice. And it lets me show this Darwin candidate: http://www.webejeepin.com/images/Glenns_Jeep/hi-lift-action-lg.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> NEVER, EVER, EVER have your head or other body parts directly over the handle of the > jack (other than your hand, obviously). Broken heads, jaws, arms, etc are all very [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I am sure the others will chime in with lots more information. Lon - 28 May 2005 03:59 GMT Speaking of Darwin Candidates, did anyone from the SF Bay area get a good look at the SUV that flipped on its side from some tourist trying to take it down Lombard's snake area? Looked like a Ford Exploder, but was busy and couldn't really ident it before the news changed topic.
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed:
> Hi Jennifer, > Excellent advice. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >>I am sure the others will chime in with lots more information. L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 05:25 GMT Kalifornia's already banned most SUVs we just don't know it yet: http://www.energybulletin.net/1465.html God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> Speaking of Darwin Candidates, did anyone from the SF Bay area get a > good look at the SUV that flipped on its side from some tourist > trying to take it down Lombard's snake area? Looked like a Ford > Exploder, but was busy and couldn't really ident it before the > news changed topic. L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 03:04 GMT Hi Carl, Mike here likes to call the Hi-Lift the Widowmaker, you must treat it with respect. Like you will see it begin to bow on normal jacking, the point at which it springs out to kill you can not be guestimated. Also when jacking it down it may collapsed instantly with any warning. Read their manual: http://web.archive.org/web/20041011181145/http://www.hi-lift.com/manual/manual.htm Some mount suggestions: http://www.4x4now.com/bu98tjc.htm http://www.jeephorizons.com/tech/hilift/ http://www.jdlawhon.com/jeeperman.html https://www.expeditionexchange.com/roversolutions/indexmain.shtml http://www.trailquest.com/tools/hi_lift_jack.shtml You might have your next of kin bookmark these for the future law suits: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t9942.html Expert witnesses: http://jurispro.com/expertSearch_2.asp?SubCatID=6010 God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
Carl Sailed wrote:
> The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me > a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Carl Mike Romain - 28 May 2005 14:19 GMT The best or better said 'proper' place to mount one of those 'widow maker' jacks is on the back wall of the garage or barn which also is the only safe place to use it.
It really amazes me that folks bring a farm tool in a Jeep and expect it to be a miracle tool or something.
Some poor fool farm boy couldn't afford a real jack or even a hand winch so he got stupidly creative and figured out he could use dad's barn lifter and fence post puller with a chunk of chain to pull his Jeep out of the back 40.
Unfortunately someone else saw him do it so now we have a trend of bringing killing and maiming tools along on an already dangerous sport.
I can change a tire, jack up my Jeep to put logs or rocks under it, push it over and even drive off my hydraulic floor jack I keep tucked in behind the passenger seat and if my Warn winch quits, I have a hand back up winch...
My $0.02,
Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me > a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Carl Robert Bills - 28 May 2005 15:50 GMT I agree with Mike. I used to carry a hi-lift, but no longer. I've seen too many of them collapse under load, and more than one handle go out of control and whack the operator. I carry a bottle jack for jacking and a Warn winch for pulling. I also carry a Ham radio to call for medical assistance the next time I see a jeeper nearly kill himself with a hi-lift.
Truthfully, I think most hi-lifts are mounted to make jeeps "look good," and most are seldom used, if ever.
Jeff Strickland - 01 Jun 2005 02:08 GMT > I agree with Mike. I used to carry a hi-lift, but no longer. I've > seen too many of them collapse under load, and more than one handle go [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Truthfully, I think most hi-lifts are mounted to make jeeps "look > good," and most are seldom used, if ever. I use mine alot. Never for service work, only for recovery. It's hard to stack rocks under the tires when the tires are resting on the rocks.
Jeff Strickland - 01 Jun 2005 02:10 GMT Despite the fact that I use my HiLift jack way too much - nobody should get stuck as much as I manage to get stuck - I agree with Mike that the HiLift is very possibly the most dangerous tool you will ever own and use.
> The best or better said 'proper' place to mount one of those 'widow > maker' jacks is on the back wall of the garage or barn which also is the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > Carl Stephen Cowell - 28 May 2005 15:46 GMT ...
> Also, hi-lift use tips? Aside from all the other horror stories... if you *must* use this thing, make sure that you watch the mechanism carefully when jacking, both up and down... make sure the pins are fully engaged in their holes before ending your stroke. In the same vein, don't jack quickly, and make sure that the handle strokes from lock to lock before reversing direction. That's the one that gets folks in trouble... aside from rolling off of it, or having it spit out from under the bumper sideways. __ Steve .
Snow - 28 May 2005 17:14 GMT Isn't this thing sort of based on the old style bumper jacks? I have never seen one (high lift that is).
Snow
> The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got > me [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Carl L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 20:21 GMT Yup: http://www.billhughes.com/realTBird.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com
> Isn't this thing sort of based on the old style bumper jacks? I have never > seen one (high lift that is). > > Snow Mike Romain - 28 May 2005 20:40 GMT The other trip is the bumper jacks were really 'well' behaved compared to the high lifts....
Scary eh....
Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
> Yup: http://www.billhughes.com/realTBird.jpg > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Snow L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 21:04 GMT Hi Mike, Not really, the jack did have a notch to hook into under the bumper, but even that was as high as I felt comfortable with. Remember there was no other way to change a tire say on this Nash: http://www.nls.net/mp/mikemonett/Nash52/Nash52.htm Remember we had to jack the body high enough to slide the tire out from under and between the axle. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> The other trip is the bumper jacks were really 'well' behaved compared > to the high lifts.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Mike Romain - 28 May 2005 22:06 GMT That is what I meant. The fact that the jack was designed 'specifically' to fit your vehicle with the slots made them a 'lot' more stable than the high lift can ever dream of.
They also took trying to get them to spontaneously send the handle ballistic or drop to the ground, not like a high lift that would rather do that than work.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
> Hi Mike, > Not really, the jack did have a notch to hook into under the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III - 28 May 2005 23:56 GMT Hi Mike, True. But it still would automatically jack down so long as the handle would stay in it, before it slung off, and it would slip completely down, too if we didn't complete each racket sequence: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/TBirdjack.mpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com
> That is what I meant. The fact that the jack was designed > 'specifically' to fit your vehicle with the slots made them a 'lot' more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mike Howard Eisenhauer - 29 May 2005 00:31 GMT I once inherited a high lift jack with a work vehicle, gave it away the first chance I got :).
If you really must have it on your jeep have a look here-
http://www.earlycj5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15463
Gotta be the neatest cleanest most sensible idea I've seen yet for these things.
Howard
http://users.eastlink.ca/~howarde/Tonka.html
>The semi-girlfriend and my best female friend conspired together and got me >a 48" black hi-lift jack for my birthday. I'd like to mount it on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Carl Jeep - 29 May 2005 12:36 GMT I just put a bikini, windjammer and toneau cover on the Jeep and used bungie cords to mount it on top of the roll bars just behind the speaker pods...fits perfectly and looks great...
Jeff '03 TJ & '95 ZJ
>I once inherited a high lift jack with a work vehicle, gave it away > the first chance I got :). [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>Carl
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