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Car Forum / Jeep / June 2005

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Tire Rotation?

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Seahag - 19 Jun 2005 15:33 GMT
What's the consensus on rotating the spare tire?  My '02 has
15,000 miles on the other 4 and my spare has never seen the
road!

Seahag
Stephen Cowell - 19 Jun 2005 15:51 GMT
> What's the consensus on rotating the spare tire?  My '02 has
> 15,000 miles on the other 4 and my spare has never seen the
> road!

What does your owner's manual say?
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Coasty - 19 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT
I rotate mine twice a year and throw in the spare each rotation.

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> What's the consensus on rotating the spare tire?  My '02 has 15,000 miles
> on the other 4 and my spare has never seen the road!
>
> Seahag
calcerise@hotmail.com - 19 Jun 2005 19:23 GMT
If I am not running different size tires or planning on changing tire
types, my philosophy is leave the spare the spare.
Coasty - 19 Jun 2005 20:29 GMT
If you never and I mean never are going to change brands or tire type that
is ok.  But if you put a different type of tire set on and leave the spare
because it is the same size you could end up regretting the decision.

Another problem many people will buy the exact tire set and never change out
the spare.  There is some new info about tire age, the TSA and manufacturers
are saying if your tire is six years or older get rid of it even if it looks
ok.  It has been found that older tires no matter how good they look become
unstructurly sound and could fail, I would hate to be off road with two bad
tires or traveling down the high way when it blows.

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> If I am not running different size tires or planning on changing tire
> types, my philosophy is leave the spare the spare.
B a r r y - 20 Jun 2005 14:32 GMT
> I rotate mine twice a year and throw in the spare each rotation.

Same here, until the first 4 tire replacement.  I keep the best tire as
a spare.  From that point on, I stay with 4 tire rotations.
mabar - 20 Jun 2005 04:06 GMT
I highly recommend a 5-tire rotation. I rotate all 5 tires every other oil
change (every 6000 miles.) Better yet, would be every 3000 miles, but I've
had good results with 6000 mile intervals. A 5-tire rotation done regularly,
gives you 25% more mileage before the tires need replacing, when compared to
a 4-tire rotation.  You can use many different rotation patterns as long as
you use the same pattern every time. I use the following 5-tire rotation
pattern:

Spare to RR
RR to RF
RF to LR
LR to LF
LF to Spare

Others on this newsgroup insist that radial tires should not be switched
from left side to right side. That may have been true 20 years ago, but
modern radials (as long as they are not uni-directional tires) can be
rotated in the above pattern with no problems.

Also, ultraviolet rays deteriorate rubber tires. An unused spare, even in
not in direct sunlight (as in underneath the vehicle) DOES deteriorate with
age.

See tire rotation here:
http://www.tiresafety.com/service/serv_nav.htm
Tom

> What's the consensus on rotating the spare tire?  My '02 has
> 15,000 miles on the other 4 and my spare has never seen the
> road!
>
> Seahag
calcerise@hotmail.com - 20 Jun 2005 06:17 GMT
On vehicles with spare tires enclosed or covered I think they should
be safe for many years if kept dry and oil and grease free. Usually I
tend to select a tire type and stay with it for a vehicle, but I have
had good luck simply selling the unused spare if needed.

Hard offroad use is a different story.
B a r r y - 20 Jun 2005 14:39 GMT
> Also, ultraviolet rays deteriorate rubber tires. An unused spare, even in
> not in direct sunlight (as in underneath the vehicle) DOES deteriorate with
> age.

I agree, but I consider my spare only a spare, once I've worn 5 highway
tires to the replacement point.

My worn spare will only be used as a temporary fix until the damaged
tire can be fixed or replaced, with the vehicle driven with that in
mind.  This is the same thinking as if the spare were a donut.  A UV
protectant and a cover can slow the effects of UV damage.

Off-road, things are completely different.  At that point, extra tires
are fully usable, extra tires.    <G>
Jeep - 21 Jun 2005 15:28 GMT
Mabar is right!!
if you rotate the 5th you'll get a good 10 to 20K Km more mileage out of
them and if they are an offroad tire should be rotated frequently...I rotate
every oil change...
Jeff  33"Trxus

>> Also, ultraviolet rays deteriorate rubber tires. An unused spare, even in
>> not in direct sunlight (as in underneath the vehicle) DOES deteriorate
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> Off-road, things are completely different.  At that point, extra tires are
> fully usable, extra tires.    <G>
Seahag - 22 Jun 2005 17:31 GMT
Thanks, the dealer has been rotating my 4 tires every other
oil change.  I'll have to see if the spare is in good enough
shape to include next time.  I once bought a whole set of
dry-rotted tires so I know _that_ drill:^(

Seahag

>I highly recommend a 5-tire rotation. I rotate all 5 tires
>every other oil
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>> Seahag
Tomes - 22 Jun 2005 23:44 GMT
If your 4 have any significant wear on them, the 5th will now be of a
different circumference and then not appropriate to include in the mix.  You
would need to wait until the next set is bought.
Tomes

> Thanks, the dealer has been rotating my 4 tires every other
> oil change.  I'll have to see if the spare is in good enough
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> >> Seahag
Seahag - 23 Jun 2005 01:11 GMT
I was thinking about that after reading all the posts.  I'll
have to check, may just be too late!

Seahag

> If your 4 have any significant wear on them, the 5th will
> now be of a
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>> >> Seahag
mabar - 23 Jun 2005 04:35 GMT
Yes, it probably is too late now to start rotating the spare into the mix. I
assume it's a Goodyear GSA factory original tire. Your other 4 tires have
15,000 miles which could be approaching 40 to 50% of the useful tread life..
I would guess that Goodyear GSA's have a useful life of about 40,000 miles.
That means your un-used spare is a slightly larger diameter than the other 4
tires. It also has more tread, with better traction, which will adversely
effect the vehicle handling, and could actually be dangerous.

Probably best to stick with your 4-way rotation for now.

Tom

> I was thinking about that after reading all the posts.  I'll
> have to check, may just be too late!
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> >> >> Seahag
Seahag - 29 Jun 2005 16:55 GMT
Guess the spare is a spare then!

Seahag

> Yes, it probably is too late now to start rotating the
> spare into the mix. I
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>> > include in the mix.  You
>> > would need to wait until the next set is bought.
 
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