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Car Forum / Jeep / June 2005Bill, you were right
Well, today I did it. I broke my Dana 35. Holy smokes. What a PITA! I think I somehow messed up the locker in the process (won't quite lock anymore -- seems to be always ratcheting). *sigh* Anyhow, I'm not locking that 35 ever again -- I kept the spider gears and will be putting them back in this week. I'm going to lock the front and be done with it until I can afford/find a good deal on an 8.8/D44/9". Never would've thought that puny 2.5L could've done that. And I wasn't being too hard on the throttle. I'll post links to the photos when I get them uploaded. You'll love it -- involves two winches, a hi-lift, two bottle jacks, and a tire. We were going for the darwin award -- but are still alive. Eric 99 TJ SE Thanks, can't wait for the pictures. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Well, today I did it. I broke my Dana 35. Holy smokes. What a PITA! I > think I somehow messed up the locker in the process (won't quite lock [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Eric > 99 TJ SE Eric - What size tires are you running? What kind of locker? What were you doing? I'm concerned because I've got a D35 on 33's. Carl > Well, today I did it. I broke my Dana 35. Holy smokes. What a PITA! I > think I somehow messed up the locker in the process (won't quite lock [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Eric > 99 TJ SE I'm running 33's and a D35. The locker was a lock-right from powertrax (or so I think...). Be careful if you're wheeling any rocks. If I'd have been locked in the front I'd have been ok. But the rear was doing all of the work. I was turning and going up a ledge when it broke. Ugly stuff. Eric > Eric - > What size tires are you running? What kind of locker? What were you [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> Eric >> 99 TJ SE wow... I'm running 33's on my D35 but I'm not locked up. Hope mine doesn't break! How wide are your tires? Carl > I'm running 33's and a D35. The locker was a lock-right from powertrax (or > so I think...). [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> Eric > >> 99 TJ SE It's usually adding a locker that makes the difference most of the time. 33" tires without a locker CAN snap an axleshaft in a D35c but the vast majority of such failures with 33" and smaller tires had a locker in the equation. > wow... I'm running 33's on my D35 but I'm not locked up. Hope mine doesn't > break! How wide are your tires? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>Eric >>>>99 TJ SE  SignatureJerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ I'm hoping that being open with 4.10's, on 33's, and running a 4cyl I should be OK. Carl > It's usually adding a locker that makes the difference most of the time. > 33" tires without a locker CAN snap an axleshaft in a D35c but the [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >>>>Eric > >>>>99 TJ SE Avoid overdrive gear. I don't think that it can handle this combination, except maybe in a tail wind or a long descent. Earle > I'm hoping that being open with 4.10's, on 33's, and running a 4cyl I should > be OK. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > >>>>Eric > > >>>>99 TJ SE I use 5th gear all the time. Of course, now I have a broken axle, but I don't think that's a coincidence. Eric > Avoid overdrive gear. I don't think that it can handle this combination, > except maybe in a tail wind or a long descent. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> > >>>>Eric >> > >>>>99 TJ SE > I use 5th gear all the time. Of course, now I have a broken axle, but I > don't think that's a coincidence. Using 5th gear had nothing to do with the broken axle, it's the trans that is the weak link at that point. The axle is getting a break of the other kind then. Hey you already agreed to take picture of your broken axle, like you're carry a camera, and a spare, right? http://billhughes.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Eric - > What size tires are you running? What kind of locker? What were you > doing? I'm concerned because I've got a D35 on 33's. > > Carl Gi'day Bill Seeing as you like to collect pics and vids of broken D35's Here's a couple links for ya from the local Jeep Club http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/videos/OJC-SoundsOfNature.wmv and http://www.ottawajeepclub.ca/videos/OJC-SoundsOfNature-2.wmv Cheers Frank > Hey you already agreed to take picture of your broken axle, like > you're carry a camera, and a spare, right? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >>Carl Thanks muches Frank: http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c\Dramatized.htm God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Gi'day Bill > Seeing as you like to collect pics and vids of broken D35's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cheers > Frank http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/Dramatized.htm > Thanks muches Frank: http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/Dramatized.htm > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com That sound will forever send shivers up my spine.. and cause my neck/arms to feel a burning sensation... Eric > http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/Dramatized.htm > >> Thanks muches Frank: http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/Dramatized.htm >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >> mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com You are just now getting concerned? Lol people amaze me. KH > Eric - > What size tires are you running? What kind of locker? What were you [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> Eric >> 99 TJ SE Now you did it! We have spent the last 5 years telling Bill that he is an idiot, and now you come around and validate him. Crap. Now we have to start all over again ... > Well, today I did it. I broke my Dana 35. Holy smokes. What a PITA! I > think I somehow messed up the locker in the process (won't quite lock [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Eric > 99 TJ SE ROTFLMAO! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Now you did it! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Eric > > 99 TJ SE Hey, where are the pictures for us Jeepers living vicariously through you. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > ROTFLMAO! > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Here's a pic showing me under it. Note the snatch block above me, the tow strap hooked to a winch on the driver's side, the high lift just to my left, and the bottle jack on the axle to the right/front of me... http://photobucket.com/albums/v242/Tanner2/Cibilo%2026%20June%202005/?action=vie w¤t=100_0198.jpg Here's a series. The first one is where the break happened (just click the right carat to cycle through): http://www.stx4wd.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=17&pos=43 Eric > Hey, where are the pictures for us Jeepers living vicariously > through you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Thanks muches Eric. http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Here's a pic showing me under it. Note the snatch block above me, the tow > strap hooked to a winch on the driver's side, the high lift just to my left, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Eric My Sony Digital Mavica's 3.5" floppy drive up and quit and Sony doesn't seem to want to sell a replacement drive to me so no photos. :-( I have a couple on some film I need to get developed. Mike > Hey, where are the pictures for us Jeepers living vicariously > through you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Okay boys, I have limited off-road experience and none of the extreme of what these videos and pictures have been showing. My question, as a novice and interested party is, just how common is axle breakage? Do you have to "try" to break an axle or is it something I need to worry about? > Now you did it! > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> Eric >> 99 TJ SE Extremely rare, except for Daimler's choice to use a Dana 35c, even the Japanese rice burners use an equivalent of the Dana 44's 8.5" ring gear: http://www.billhughes.com/dana35c/ God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Okay boys, I have limited off-road experience and none of the extreme of > what these videos and pictures have been showing. My question, as a novice > and interested party is, just how common is axle breakage? Do you have to > "try" to break an axle or is it something I need to worry about? If you only do mild off-roading and not getting heavy in the rocks; if you don't put on really big tires, >32"; if don't put in a locker... then you don't need to worry very much. But if your jeep didn't come with a D44 axle, then don't worry about breakage anyway, because when it breaks you can just take that opportunity to put in a Ford 8.8 (with disk brakes!) or a D44. ;) Like all opinions, others may differ with this one. B > Okay boys, I have limited off-road experience and none of the extreme of > what these videos and pictures have been showing. My question, as a novice > and interested party is, just how common is axle breakage? Do you have to > "try" to break an axle or is it something I need to worry about? SignatureBrian Heller It is easier to tame wild beasts than to conquer the human mind. Here is a direct quote (OR CLOSE) from JP magazine June 2005 issue page 48 on differential basics. Q: Can a locker break my Jeep? A: Mr.Reider walks us through it....the greatest torque that can be applied to either wheel with an open diff would be 50% of total power sent to the axle. This is because the spider geas split the torque 50/50., and if one wheel loses traction, then power is lost to the loose wheel and the wheel with traction receives less than 50%. When a locker is installed, no power is lost to the loose wheel, it has to rotate at the same speed as the wheel with traction, and up to 100% of the power can now be directed to the wheel with traction. That can be twice the power the jeep and its components were originally designed for. Meaning the axleshafts or u joints may not be strong enough. Upgrade accordingly. >Well, today I did it. I broke my Dana 35. Holy smokes. What a PITA! I >think I somehow messed up the locker in the process (won't quite lock [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Eric >99 TJ SE |
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