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Square Wheels - 14 Oct 2005 23:21 GMT .....now that I can finally access this group.
Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a group participant.
I'll be very quiet.
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L.W.(ßill) Hughes III - 14 Oct 2005 23:41 GMT So, let's see a picture of your Jeep up there in North Vancouver, British Columbia. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> .....now that I can finally access this group. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > A mound is a terrible thing to waste. Billy Ray - 15 Oct 2005 00:39 GMT NBC caught falsifying the news during a live broadcast
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051014/D8D824KO4.html
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> .....now that I can finally access this group. > > Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a group > participant. > > I'll be very quiet. Matt Macchiarolo - 15 Oct 2005 22:06 GMT Over-dramatizing yes, but I wouldn't call that straight-out falsifying, unless she said she was in very deep water. I didn't see the broadcast.
My observation, YOMV.
> NBC caught falsifying the news during a live broadcast > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> I'll be very quiet. Billy Ray - 15 Oct 2005 22:44 GMT The report was about a river in NJ overflowing its banks. The reporter, cameraman, and most likely the news broadcast producer all knew what they intended to report was not true. In other words they intended, with malice of forethought, to perpetrate a fraud.
"Later, an NBC News spokeswoman explained that Kosinski had been riding in deeper water near an overflowing river down the street, but there were concerns that the current was too strong for her. "It's not like we were trying to pass it off as something it wasn't," spokeswoman Lauren Kapp said. "
Passing off "something that wasn't" was exactly what they did. Now... If they had followed her via a telephoto lens crossing over a flooded bridge and ending up in the shallows it would be something understandable. But this was not the case. The camera crews for live reports are generally 10-15 feet away and was probably on DRY GROUND as you don't risk thousands of dollars worth of equipment needlessly.
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> Over-dramatizing yes, but I wouldn't call that straight-out falsifying, > unless she said she was in very deep water. I didn't see the broadcast. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> >>> I'll be very quiet. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III - 15 Oct 2005 23:02 GMT The people in the background were walking on water. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> The report was about a river in NJ overflowing its banks. The reporter, > cameraman, and most likely the news broadcast producer all knew what they [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be. Matt Macchiarolo - 16 Oct 2005 14:54 GMT > The report was about a river in NJ overflowing its banks. The reporter, > cameraman, and most likely the news broadcast producer all knew what they > intended to report was not true. In other words they intended, with > malice of forethought, to perpetrate a fraud. As if the river actually didn't flood the area? Did they empty a water truck into a parking lot?
> "Later, an NBC News spokeswoman explained that Kosinski had been riding in > deeper water near an overflowing river down the street, but there were [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>> >>>> I'll be very quiet. Billy Ray - 16 Oct 2005 18:28 GMT They intended to portray their reported as a fearless journalist willing to risk life and limb in pursuit of a factual story about a flood.
The actual story was the river had overflowed the road by 2-3 inches, they knew the water was 2-3 inches deep, and with malice of forethought intended to portray it otherwise.
On another note very few people where I live would consider 2-3 inches of water standing in the street as a flood. We would refer to it as the result of a 'hard rain'.
You may be asking yourself that if I had ever been flooded I would feel differently. If you like I can post pictures of my partially finished basement shoveled into the back of a dump truck and also pix of the repair work I did... (did personally) over the years.
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> >> The report was about a river in NJ overflowing its banks. The reporter, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >>>>> >>>>> I'll be very quiet. L.W.(ßill) Hughes III - 16 Oct 2005 21:50 GMT I want to know how many "takes" it took before they could shoot it with a straight face. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/
> They intended to portray their reported as a fearless journalist willing to > risk life and limb in pursuit of a factual story about a flood. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be. SVTKate - 15 Oct 2005 00:57 GMT Which participant are you observing? If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up in the first place?
Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to, who you are doing, and why you are doing them.
*WEG*
Kate
: .....now that I can finally access this group. : : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a group : participant. : : I'll be very quiet. Lon - 15 Oct 2005 02:32 GMT SVTKate proclaimed:
> Which participant are you observing? The ones that worry about being observed?
> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up in the > first place? How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the other about whether or not they are being observed?
> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to, who you > are doing, and why you are doing them. More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> *WEG* > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > : > : I'll be very quiet. Billy Ray - 15 Oct 2005 02:47 GMT Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing changes the subject of the observation?
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> SVTKate proclaimed: >> Which participant are you observing? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> : >> : I'll be very quiet. SVTKate - 15 Oct 2005 05:19 GMT : Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing : changes the subject of the observation? My observations concur with your observation of observations.
Dave Milne - 15 Oct 2005 09:32 GMT Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered by the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine on it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you move the particle.
:-) Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing > changes the subject of the observation? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >> : > >> : I'll be very quiet. Earle Horton - 15 Oct 2005 13:02 GMT This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". He (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see. Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > >> : > > >> : I'll be very quiet. Dave Milne - 15 Oct 2005 13:08 GMT :-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be bothered to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". He > (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > > >> : > > > >> : I'll be very quiet. Billy Ray - 15 Oct 2005 15:54 GMT And commit grammar errors. Get rid of the space before the semi-colon.
I would have made that 2 sentences but my former Grammar Teacher, Miss Schmalz, always preferred the most complex syntax possible.
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> :-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be > bothered [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >> > > >> : >> > > >> : I'll be very quiet. KJKate - 16 Oct 2005 04:54 GMT : And commit grammar errors. Get rid of the space before the semi-colon. : : I would have made that 2 sentences but my former Grammar Teacher, Miss : Schmalz, always preferred the most complex syntax possible. Uhhhh.... wouldn't that one there be 'grammatical errors'?
Billy Ray - 16 Oct 2005 06:08 GMT Couldn't tell ya, I got a "C" in that class.
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> > : And commit grammar errors. Get rid of the space before the semi-colon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Uhhhh.... wouldn't that one there be 'grammatical errors'? DougW - 15 Oct 2005 19:49 GMT Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> :-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be bothered > to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly. Did the same here. Let's see if I have this right... "It was a right proper piss up." Close?
oh my aching noggin...
And for those that wonder, I took a taxi to the pub.
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Dave Milne - 15 Oct 2005 19:56 GMT Right proper piss up is exactly the correct expression. Had a leaving party as I start a new job on Tuesday !
Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing: > > :-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be bothered [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And for those that wonder, I took a taxi to the pub. Billy Ray - 15 Oct 2005 15:48 GMT If the poster is emitting light does that, by definition, infer he is in an excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
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> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". > He [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >> > >> : >> > >> : I'll be very quiet. Tomes - 16 Oct 2005 04:00 GMT > This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". He > (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the > effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet > articles is essentially a passive operation. We. like the subatomic particles, have been affected by the OP (as evidenced by this thread), and thus the observations have been changed by the [announced] presence of the observer in this case. Tomes
KJKate - 16 Oct 2005 04:51 GMT : Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and : velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : ::-) awww crap! now my head hurts!
Lon - 16 Oct 2005 00:23 GMT Billy Ray proclaimed:
> Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing > changes the subject of the observation? I think so, but I can't be certain.
jaco - 15 Oct 2005 04:11 GMT perhaps the schtick is over done, but group dynamics is rather fascinating, one of the unique characteristics is that people often times adapt to their social environment so readily that they themselves are not aware of their own behavioral changes and often begin to act in a primitive instinctual manner........
or maybe that's the whiskey talking
:-)
>> More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project. SVTKate - 15 Oct 2005 05:21 GMT : perhaps the schtick is over done, but group dynamics is rather fascinating, : one of the unique characteristics is that people often times adapt to their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : ::-) I'm not thinking it's the whiskey, I didn't hear you slur one single word. ;¬D
Kate
Tomes - 16 Oct 2005 04:02 GMT Slur or schlur?
> : perhaps the schtick is over done, but group dynamics is rather > fascinating, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kate DougW - 15 Oct 2005 01:23 GMT Square Wheels did pass the time by typing:
> .....now that I can finally access this group. > > Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a group > participant. > > I'll be very quiet. Not with square wheels you ain't. :)
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Carl Jung - 16 Oct 2005 05:15 GMT http://www.quantumpsychology.com/Translate2.html
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