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Car Forum / Jeep / November 2005Way to disable passenger airbay in '97 TJ?
I know how to do it in my CJ. :) I understand the late '98 and '99's have a cust-off switch, but I need to be able to temporarily disable it in my '97. I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of you can shed some light. Thanks in advance! Rob >I know how to do it in my CJ. :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I searched the net and faq and didn't see anything so hoping one of you > can shed some light. Please beware that in certain states (such as Western Australia, Victoria and Queensland here in Australia), this may be illegal. :) J. I'd love to be in Australia and faced with that dilema. Always wanted to visit. I have a friend living outside of Sydney and I keep threatening to fork over the $$$ and go visit. It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an airbag from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would void the "warrant of fitness". If you have an accident like that, you will be walking up the proverbial creek..... TW >>I know how to do it in my CJ. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > J. Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front seat of trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a means of adding a passenger side airbag bypass switch to keep children in the front seat safe. Well, as safe as can be expected riding in the front seat ... > It is illegal in New Zealand as well. If a car/truck came with an airbag > from factory, it cannot be removed or disabled as that would void the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> J. I wonder how so many of us lived before we had this wonderful government going all out to protect us. I doubt it was really accurate but several years back I saw an article where someone figured out the cost to save on life with added restraints and regulations. It was some very large number. According to his figures, we are all woefully underinsured if we are each worth that much. > Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front seat of > trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a means of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >> > >> J.  SignatureWill Honea I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold with rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles. I can change the specs and make it what I want, then I have to get it certified as a "low volume vehicle" i.e. a lot of inspection fee and an adjustment to my insurance premium for it being a special purpose vehicle.... TW > Actually, in the States we found that people put kids in the front seat of > trucks, and the Jeep Wrangler is listed as a truck. We have a means of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> J. Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't got a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature to give a truck-like cargo area. All I'm suggesting is that one ask the question before blindly taking "no" for an answer. The later years of production have a bypass switch that the '97s don't have. We can get the bypass switch added, perhaps you can as well. > I realise that. Unfortunately, in New Zealand all Wranglers are sold with > rear seats and classed as four seat passenger vehicles. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>>> >>>> J. > Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't got > a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature to > give a truck-like cargo area. Yup, for both Australia and New Zealand :) We're pretty limited for choice here.. No Rubicon or anything of the sort. The Wrangler is available in 'Sport' model by default, with a Renegade pack on top of that should you so desire. The 2.5L 4cyl isn't available here either.. although that may be a good thing :) All models are sold with back seat as standard.. I believe they're also sold with aircon and CD as standard too? Hence the $29,990 asking price for the entry-level model down under (down from $33,990 a few years ago!) J. As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or both). No Rubi here yet. I have been told by the local dealer that they will be bringing in Unlimiteds with four door option starting from Jan '07. No decision yet on Rubi. Keep in mind, our steering wheel is on the right side of the rig..... Not much market for Wranglers when competing against Jap imports. TW > Are they ALWAYS sold with a back seat? The base model 4 banger hasn't got > a back seat in the States. And, the back seat is a removable feature to [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>>> >>>>> J. Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to do this. With the back seat, you gain lots of cargo space at the expense of seating area. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the owner from going after the dealership for installing a requested option. > As Jason said, we don't have 4-bangers here. Only an inline 6. All come > in two trims (Sport or Renegade), with the option of soft or hard-top (or [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> J. I know I can take the seat out, but the belts must still be capable of working in the back. If I take the belts off, then at re-install I will have to have them re-tested/certified for being compliant with local laws. Its strange, but that the price you have to pay for living in NZ. As for the disable switch, it was never introduced here. I tried getting it, but couldn't do it because of local regulations not allowing me to do so. Oh well, I'll save all my mods and have it certified in one go, once the TJ reaches toy stage. TW > Well, just because the back seat comes in the truck, there's no reason you > can't take it out. The Owner's Manual gives detailed directions on how to [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J. If you really want to disable the airbag why not just install a toggle or key-switch yourself? SignatureBilly_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM) 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be. . >I know I can take the seat out, but the belts must still be capable of >working in the back. If I take the belts off, then at re-install I will [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J. Nobody is talking about taking the belts off. If you take the back seat out for cargo, AND want to carry a child in the front seat at the same time, then logic says that you need to bypass the passenger airbags. The factory put the bypass circuit in '98 and later TJs, ONLY the '97 TJ hasn't got this capability. You can add the capability by having a factory sanctioned bypass switch installed. The factory sanctioned bypass is certified. >I know I can take the seat out, but the belts must still be capable of >working in the back. If I take the belts off, then at re-install I will [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J. It might have come with a particular option package, I know I did not ask for it when I ordered my '00 TJ. The '98 and later models have a Airbag Bypass that ONLY the '97s > didn't get. There is a bypass that came from the factory, but requires the > owner specifically ask for it, and sign some mind of form that keeps the [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J. I think it was limited by market as well. Disable switch has never been an option in New Zealand. TW > It might have come with a particular option package, I know I did not ask > for it when I ordered my '00 TJ. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J. The Passenger Side Airbag Bypass Switch is standard on all TJs made from the '98 year. The '97s didn't have it, but the factory made it available for people that are willing to sign a NHTSA waiver. The deal is, kids fare better in the back seat when the car is in a collision, and they fare better in the front seat if there is no airbag present. The best place is the back seat, the next best place is the front seat with no airbag, and the worst place is the front seat WITH an airbag. The TJ can have the rear seat removed, indeed the most basic of base models has no back seat at all -- you won't find many of these -- but since the owner can take the seat out and still need to haul a kid, then somebody figured out that it makes sense that the airbag should be able to be turned off. This feature is standard after the '97 model year, and there were no airbags in the '95 and earlier models, and there was no '96 model year. ONLY the '97 can have the need for the Passenger Side Airbag Bypass Kit, and to get the kit installed the owner must sign a waiver available from the National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration. PS I suppose there might be a few early production '98s that might be able to use this kit, but my knowledge is that all '98s have the bypass switch istalled from the factory. > It might have come with a particular option package, I know I did not ask > for it when I ordered my '00 TJ. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J. My '02 had a bypass switch standard from the factory. My '06 does not. Tom > The Passenger Side Airbag Bypass Switch is standard on all TJs made from the > '98 year. The '97s didn't have it, but the factory made it available for > people that are willing to sign a NHTSA waiver. With back seat, you get no switch. No back seat, you get a switch. IIRC >The Passenger Side Airbag Bypass Switch is standard on all TJs made from the >'98 year. The '97s didn't have it, but the factory made it available for [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J. Not true. My '02 TJ Sport with a factory back seat had a factory switch. My '06 Rubi with factory back seat has no switch. Tom > With back seat, you get no switch. > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:436af7e9$0$1687$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... > >>>>>>>>>>I know how to do it in my CJ. :) > >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> J. Hi Tom, Your '02 came with a back seat, but like my '68's passenger seat it may have been an option. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Not true. My '02 TJ Sport with a factory back seat had a factory switch. My > '06 Rubi with factory back seat has no switch. > > Tom My '02 Sport had the back seat standard and has the switch. Tomes > Hi Tom, > Your '02 came with a back seat, but like my '68's passenger seat it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Tom i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that the fuse box contains 2 fuses for air bags clearly marked for airbags > My '02 Sport had the back seat standard and has the switch. > Tomes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > > > Tom > i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that the fuse > box contains 2 fuses for air bags clearly marked for airbags Then you have to stare at the red "airbag" light on the dash. Scott in Baltimore did pass the time by typing: >> i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that the >> fuse box contains 2 fuses for air bags clearly marked for airbags > > Then you have to stare at the red "airbag" light on the dash. This tool fixes that problem. http://www.toolprice.com/product/1610D SignatureDougW Or if you are cheap like I am you can just wait for the bulb to burn out. ;^) Earle > Scott in Baltimore did pass the time by typing: > >> i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This tool fixes that problem. > http://www.toolprice.com/product/1610D That is a great tool. We use it for the check engine light in our patrol cars. A lot easier than spending an hour to take the dash appart to remove a single bulb. Patrick Ô¿Ô > Scott in Baltimore did pass the time by typing: >>> i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This tool fixes that problem. > http://www.toolprice.com/product/1610D ya so i would bet the check engine lite is on and u have been staring at that. hehehe > > i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that the fuse > > box contains 2 fuses for air bags clearly marked for airbags > > Then you have to stare at the red "airbag" light on the dash. philthy did pass the time by typing: > ya so > i would bet the check engine lite is on and u have been staring at that. > hehehe The dash is starting to look like the chrismas season. Little blinking red yellow and blue lights. Add a bit of tinsel and it's all set. ;] >>> i have read in all the posts for this thread and no one has stated that the >>> fuse box contains 2 fuses for air bags clearly marked for airbags >> >> Then you have to stare at the red "airbag" light on the dash. lol!!!!!!!! tis the season > philthy did pass the time by typing: > > ya so [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> > >> Then you have to stare at the red "airbag" light on the dash. Bill, rear seats in TJ's have always been standard on the Sport packages and higher Bill (and probably the X's as well), IIRC it can be optionally deleted in the bare-bones SE. > Hi Tom, > Your '02 came with a back seat, but like my '68's passenger seat it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Tom Of course, all passenger cars have back seats. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Bill, rear seats in TJ's have always been standard on the Sport packages > and higher Bill (and probably the X's as well), IIRC it can be optionally > deleted in the bare-bones SE. My '00 came from the factory with both a back seat and a switch. Wifey's '04 Unlimited has no switch. > With back seat, you get no switch. > [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J. OK I'm from Spain and I'm interesting in having that airbag being temporaly off in a '97 TJ. As far as I read there is a fuse (at the fuse panel) to manage that. But I'm not sure about which one. Thank you in advance, Fidelio >I know how to do it in my CJ. :) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rob There are two fuses for the airbag system behind the glove compartment door. Both must be removed, they are back-up for each other. I would not remove them however. Plus for offroading, the air bags won't activiate just from a rough or bumpy trail. Jerry > OK I'm from Spain and I'm interesting in having that airbag being temporaly > off in a '97 TJ. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >>Rob SignatureJerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ Thanks ... I'm in that proverbial rock and a hard place. My daughter (age 6) and I have to go out of toen this weekend unexpectedly and I don't have a rear seat right now. There are cut-off switches in newer cars specifically to disable the passenger-side airbag as kids and small adults can incur severe head and neck trauma just from the force of the airbag. Whether it's best to leave them on or not is another matter. I just wanted to know how so I'd have the choice. I'm thinking of my child's safety and personally don't know which would be the better option. I assume the fuses control BOTH driver and passenger airbags? Maybe I should rent a car. :) Thanks, Rob Thanks Rob, both fuses control both air bags. You can remove one of the two fuses and both air bags will still work as each fuse was designed as backup for the other fuse. To disable your air bags, you must remove both fuses... which then disables both airbags. Jerry > Thanks ... I'm in that proverbial rock and a hard place. My daughter > (age 6) and I have to go out of toen this weekend unexpectedly and I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thanks SignatureJerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ You can push their set back on the rails. I think the danger lessens if the distance is over a foot from the bag to the child. Personally, I would not disable the air bag as I would rather they suffer a concussion than the alternative. See Recommendations at the bottom: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00045709.htm SignatureBilly_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM) 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be. . > Thanks ... I'm in that proverbial rock and a hard place. My daughter > (age 6) and I have to go out of toen this weekend unexpectedly and I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thanks Airbags are designed for brain dead adults who refuse to use seatbelts, nothing else. They Kill small people even in fender benders. That has happened up here recently. Children are not supposed to be in the front seats anymore because of this. I don't know about a TJ, but the CJ passenger seat does not go back. I am right on the dash of a TJ in the passenger seat and would likely get both legs broken at least if the damn bag went off. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > You can push their set back on the rails. I think the danger lessens if the > distance is over a foot from the bag to the child. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > Thanks > Airbags are designed for brain dead adults who refuse to use seatbelts, > nothing else. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Children are not supposed to be in the front seats anymore because of > this. First off they are not air bags. They are sodium azide bags. If you think sodium azide is safe try to buy some anyplace but in an airbag. Secondly, law or no law, I take them out. I disconnect their firing circuit, at least, and have gone as far as removing the pax side one and replacing the steering wheel with a hokey aftermarket one to set the standard one aside. Where do you live that your friends don't call it an "air bag"????????? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > First off they are not air bags. They are sodium azide bags. If you > think sodium azide is safe try to buy some anyplace but in an airbag. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and replacing the steering wheel with a hokey aftermarket one to set > the standard one aside. > Airbags are designed for brain dead adults who refuse to use seatbelts, > nothing else. Complete and utter nonsense. In order for an airbag to be effective, you *must* be wearing your seatbelt - not doing so will often result in serious injury or even death as a result of the driver/passenger being in the wrong position when the bag inflates. J. If the seat belt restraints work as designed the passengers will never impact the steering wheel nor dash. Understand? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ Jason Back shall wrote: > Complete and utter nonsense. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > J. > > Airbags are designed for brain dead adults who refuse to use seatbelts, > > nothing else. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > J. You should read some history. Even from this link someone else posted: American airbag designs triggering much more quickly than airbags designed for other countries, to protect occupants not wearing seat belts. And: they were touted in the 1960s and 70s as a potential seat belt replacement, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) That right. As far as I understand the inflate speed for airbags in Europe is much slower than in the States for european regulation. And the reason for quickest airbags in the States seems to be the lack of usage of seat belts. At least that is what EU authorities said about this matter. Regards, Fidelio >> > Airbags are designed for brain dead adults who refuse to use seatbelts, >> > nothing else. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) The air bag deploying at over three hundred miles an hour will snap the neck of anyone under a hundred pounds. And those small people as you suggest for some reason slide there seat forward seating themselves in harms way: http://www.airbagonoff.com/dr_smock's_research.htm God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > You can push their set back on the rails. I think the danger lessens if the > distance is over a foot from the bag to the child. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be. Hmmm 300 miles/hour neck snapper???? I wasn't aware about my mother being designer of US airbags systems. Whenever my brother or me do a wrong thing at home while we were childs my mother used to snap our necks as quick as 300 miles/hour (450 km/h in Europe). XDDD Regards, Fidelio "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" <billhughes@cox.net> escribió en el mensaje news:436BD05D.E2367408@cox.net... > The air bag deploying at over three hundred miles an hour will snap > the neck of anyone under a hundred pounds. And those small people as you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be. My '02 TJ had a passenger side air-bag cutoff switch standard. My '06 TJ does not have a cutoff switch. This is progress??? Tom > There are two fuses for the airbag system behind the glove compartment > door. Both must be removed, they are back-up for each other. I would > not remove them however. Plus for offroading, the air bags won't > activiate just from a rough or bumpy trail. You didn't buy the '02 with a back seat. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > My '02 TJ had a passenger side air-bag cutoff switch standard. My '06 TJ > does not have a cutoff switch. > > This is progress??? > > Tom Yes I did. '02 Wrangler Sport with a back seat straight from the factory, and it came with a passenger air bag cutoff switch standard. Tom > You didn't buy the '02 with a back seat. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Tom My 02 X had a back seat from the factory as well, and had a cut off switch. My 05 doesn't. Patrick Ô¿Ô > Yes I did. '02 Wrangler Sport with a back seat straight from the factory, > and it came with a passenger air bag cutoff switch standard. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > >> > Tom My '00 Sport has the cutoff switch as well. Back seat came factory installed. Wifey's '04 Unlimited did not come with the switch. > You didn't buy the '02 with a back seat. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Tom The ideal solution is to fit the Airbag cutoff switch. It looks like this http://www.jeepsareus.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=JAU&Prod uct_Code=MB89&Category_Code=Wrangler8 (looks like this just has the bezel). Anyhow, to work it you just insert the ignition key and turn a key switch; a warning light is illuminated on the bezel. Regards, Dave Milne > OK I'm from Spain and I'm interesting in having that airbag being temporaly > off in a '97 TJ. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > Rob Hi Rob, Some Stealerships will install the optional passenger seat disabling switch after you sign the normal forms for litigious reasons, and of course pay their outrageous prices, I would set it up a little by removing the rear seat and install a child's seat. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys/search?group=rec.aut os.makers.jeep%2Bwillys&q=air+bag+switch&qt_g=1&searchnow=Search+this+group God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > I know how to do it in my CJ. :) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rob The NHTSA has a form that you can fill in, and the dealer will install a kit for you that disables the passenger airbag just like in the later models. >I know how to do it in my CJ. :) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rob |
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