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Car Forum / Jeep / March 2006Throttle return spring mystery solved.
Okay, here's the deal: Talked to a parts guy this afternoon. He is smart. He told me that assembly line streamlining from 2005 on mandated that the offensive primary throttle return spring be eliminated. Sort of. In the 05/06 TJ's, there are two springs: one in the throttle body, one on the automatic transmission linkage. For those of us with 6-sp. transmissions, well, we get to suck it up and do without. As he stated, "You're tough: you can take it." Well, I'm tough, but I can't take it. I paid serious bucks for this horse, and I want all of the springs I'm entitled to! So, today, I made a pilgramage to the local OSH for a look-see, and ended up filling the gap quite nicely. My throttle response now works as expected. More information is available at: http://207.13.104.8/users/jdadams Check Hidalgo's Private Garage for the information you seek. If this was DC's idea of cost-cutting measures, I am not amused. -JD Now you may take your car on to a drag strip, like the Real Jeeps: http://billhughes.com/dragjeeps/ God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Okay, here's the deal: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -JD > Now you may take your car on to a drag strip, like the Real Jeeps: > http://billhughes.com/dragjeeps/ Real Jeeps - like the ones manufactured by Ford? :) Yes, if built to the same Bantam specs, as Willys Overland: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/early/fordgp.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com http://www.billhughes.com/ > Real Jeeps - like the ones manufactured by Ford? :) Are they required on vehicles with throttle bodies? It isn't like the old days when a broken spring would result in an over revved motor.....throttle bodies have no control over the fuel supply. > Now you may take your car on to a drag strip, like the Real Jeeps: > http://billhughes.com/dragjeeps/ [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> -JD Hi Bill, Well your electronic injection would quit with ignition shut off, but I don't think they would change the rules, we see all stock most throttle valves, like you see three hooked to my Thunderbird: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/realCables.jpg It's just Daimler that f**ked up and probably only on their Wrangler. You'd be surprised at how many let themselves be pull through the garage wall, or think you must put it in park and lock the wheel as they traveling down the freeway before they may turn off the engine. I believe Daimler has left themselves wide open to every suit that may possibly be blamed to a stuck throttle. And if you were one of the guys that wanted to go fast, you'd choose mechanical injection, like the Real trucks, and that would require a fuel shut off: http://www.hillersystemsinc.com/images/img11.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol.com > Are they required on vehicles with throttle bodies? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >> > >> -JD I thought that double throttle return springs were a federally mandated safety measure. I must admit that I haven't thought much about it though. Earle > Are they required on vehicles with throttle bodies? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >> > >> -JD Someone in the big 3 probably paid off Teddy or Hilary to get the rule changed if there was one. >I thought that double throttle return springs were a federally mandated > safety measure. I must admit that I haven't thought much about it though. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from > http://www.SecureIX.com *** More likely DeLay or Santorum. > Someone in the big 3 probably paid off Teddy or Hilary to get the rule > changed if there was one. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from >> http://www.SecureIX.com *** Holy crap! I thought *I* was the only one running a high-dollar Jeep! Thanks for the detailed info. Tom > Okay, here's the deal: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -JD Here is what I did today to install my missing throttle spring. http://www.tmar.net/throttle_spring.htm I drove it for about 15 minutes after the install, and it does seem to have a much better throttle feel now. Tom > Thanks for the detailed info. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > -JD $3.64 eh? The local Stealership wanted almost $7 for one. Big difference after one of these are installed. Easing it over bumps at low speed used to be really tough to do gracefully, but no more. I've got a neighbor with a PT Cruiser that's thinking about doing the same thing; the primary spring does not exist on that either. Just don't put too much of a spring on the throttle. I knew someone who put a big heavy spring on his van, to simulate the feel of a tractor trailer or something. He wound up with a snapped off throttle cable. Earle > $3.64 eh? The local Stealership wanted almost $7 for one. Big > difference after one of these are installed. Easing it over bumps at > low speed used to be really tough to do gracefully, but no more. > > I've got a neighbor with a PT Cruiser that's thinking about doing the > same thing; the primary spring does not exist on that either. Anytime you need OEM Jeep parts check out the prices here: http://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/ If you print out their parts price and take it to your local dealer, they might match the price, or at least come close. Tom > $3.64 eh? The local Stealership wanted almost $7 for one. Big > difference after one of these are installed. Easing it over bumps at > low speed used to be really tough to do gracefully, but no more. > > I've got a neighbor with a PT Cruiser that's thinking about doing the > same thing; the primary spring does not exist on that either. Thanks, Tom. The local stealership won't even come close; the last time I took in a comparison quote, they basically told me to leave and never return. Nice people! I'll give this outfit a shot; Beats outrageous Stealership prices AND paying state sales taxes as well. By the time everyone gets done picking your pockets, you've paid 3X what the darned stuff was really worth. -JD JD Adams did pass the time by typing: > Thanks, Tom. The local stealership won't even come close; the last > time I took in a comparison quote, they basically told me to leave and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > picking your pockets, you've paid 3X what the darned stuff was really > worth. http://www.chryslerpartsdirect.com/ is a company I've dealt with many many times. They are actually a dealership. They just don't try to rip folks off. What's great is they will work with you to find oddball parts. I just wish I lived within driving distance, they would get all my business.  SignatureDougW mabar did pass the time by typing: > Here is what I did today to install my missing throttle spring. > > http://www.tmar.net/throttle_spring.htm > > I drove it for about 15 minutes after the install, and it does seem to have > a much better throttle feel now. Might want to back those nuts off and put on some red threadlocker. That will help keep them from rattling off. A old-timer trick is to slightly press the nuts in a vice to take them out of round and give them more grip. SignatureDougW Good suggestion Doug. > mabar did pass the time by typing: > > Here is what I did today to install my missing throttle spring. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > A old-timer trick is to slightly press the nuts in a vice to > take them out of round and give them more grip. Hey, I noticed your writeup on the 'fog light mod' - well done, thanks for the information. I think I'll attack that offending #1 pin with a Dremel. If it works, I'll be sure to give you credit. I wouldn't mind documenting the deletion of the clutch starter interlock, but I don't have the parts anymore. They somehow ended up under the left-rear tire as I backed out one day. Then I pulled forward, then backed over it once again. Ooops! -JD You are welcome. > Hey, I noticed your writeup on the 'fog light mod' - well done, thanks > for the information. I think I'll attack that offending #1 pin with a > Dremel. If it works, I'll be sure to give you credit. Ahh. your throttle arm had no flange on which to fit the clip end of the spring. Mine did, go figure. > Here is what I did today to install my missing throttle spring. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> > >> > -JD |
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