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Car Forum / Kia Cars / October 2006

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timing belts or chains?

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marx404 - 28 Sep 2006 22:47 GMT
Pardon my ignorance, still in info gathering phase:  2 questions:

1.) do KIA engines have a timing belt or a chain? Is the belt teflon/ kevlar
reinforced or the chain self-adjusting stainless steel?

2.) how often do KIAs require a tune-up?

Thanx,
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marx404

Shines - 28 Sep 2006 23:22 GMT
> Pardon my ignorance, still in info gathering phase:  2 questions:
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> Thanx,
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Right now the V6s use belts and where you live depends on when they KIA says
they require replacment. Mostly they say 60K Miles Tune up you should beable
to over 30K miles before one is really needed if then. Just change the air
filter at 15K normal conditions meaning not real dusty driving.
marx404 - 29 Sep 2006 00:50 GMT
thanx for the info. IM pretty sire that the 30K tune up can be upped to 100K
if one changes to platinum plugs as I did on my 1st gen Saturn. The more I
read on KIAs the more I like 'em!

marx404
Shines - 29 Sep 2006 02:06 GMT
> thanx for the info. IM pretty sire that the 30K tune up can be upped to
> 100K
> if one changes to platinum plugs as I did on my 1st gen Saturn. The more I
> read on KIAs the more I like 'em!
>
> marx404
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Good Luck :-)
googlegrps@yahoo.com - 03 Oct 2006 16:31 GMT
> Right now the V6s use belts and where you live depends on when they KIA says
> they require replacment. Mostly they say 60K Miles Tune up you should beable
> to over 30K miles before one is really needed if then. Just change the air
> filter at 15K normal conditions meaning not real dusty driving.

A friendly "warning" to all KIA owners and potential owners out
there....

DO not follow the above advice regarding timing belts.

Nearly all of the engines in KIAs use a timing belt - true.  But many
of the engines are 'interference' designs.  That means if the belt
breaks, the pistons can and WILL slam up into the open valves and
render the engine destroyed.

This is not a feature unique to KIAs.  Many manufactuers have used, or
are still actively using this design of a motor.

Therefore, replacement of the timing belt BEFORE it breaks is extremely
important!

Also..... check your owner's manual.  KIA has the timing belt marked as
a 'REQUIRED' maintenance item at 60k miles for 'Severe Service' areas.
Guess what?  Nearly ALL 50 U.S. states are 'Severe Service' areas.

I have seen on the Internet people lamenting about KIA not honoring the
100K/10 year Drivetrain Warranty after their timing belt has broken at
63k miles, and their engine is trashed.  That's KIA's legal right under
the warranty agreement, and they appear to have no problem exercising
it.

I had my dealership quote the preventative repair to me, and it was
about $550 U.S.  Yeah... that's expensive, but you know what's MORE
expensive?   Replacing your entire engine to the tune of several
thousand $$$$.    The old rule of thumb of replacing the water pump
when replacing the timing belt is another good idea.  The expensive
tear down to get to it is already done when the timing belt's changed,
so it's something to think about.  I was told that the cost of the pump
is another $230.  Again, that's a little expensive, but a tear down to
get to it is even more so.   If nothing else, plan on changing the pump
at 110-120k at the next timing belt change for sure!

ALSO.... don't neglect your automatic transmission fluid changes every
30k miles.... another "Severe Service" state requirement.   If you
*don't* change it every 30k miles (or slightly less for good measure),
there's a good chance that KIA will negate the warranty for any
transmission troubles you encounter up to the 100k warranty limit.

>From what I've been told, do THOSE two things, change your engine oil
every 3k-4.5k miles, and KIA's warranty should hold up pretty well for
you.

So far my 2004.5 Spectra's been treating me stellar, so I plan on doing
this preventative maintenance to KEEP it that way!  Or if nothing else,
to close the loopholes KIA's used on some of its customers who neglect
to read their owners manual.

-GG
marx404 - 04 Oct 2006 12:23 GMT
Thanx GG, yesterday I talked with a shop person and he showed me exactly
what the top half and valves look like after the belt breaks on an
interference engine. Not pretty. You are right about the maintenence and a
mechanic also said what you told me. IMHO, too bad KIAs are such high
maintenence, hopefully they will take the route of kevlar belts and
non-interference engines at least to provide a more stealthy engine. I
Googled and Wiki'ed for such info and found that many common manufacturers
also have similar built engines.

marx404
Rev. Tom Wenndt - 04 Oct 2006 13:33 GMT
Thankfully, it looks like Kia is starting to go away from those kinds of
engines.  The next generation Sedona has an engine with a timing chain.
Apparently, plans are for other engines to go to that as they are
re-designed, brought in new or updated.

Tom Wenndt

> Thanx GG, yesterday I talked with a shop person and he showed me exactly
> what the top half and valves look like after the belt breaks on an
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> marx404
marx404 - 05 Oct 2006 12:50 GMT
great news Tom, where did you hear that from?

marx404

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