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Car Forum / Kia Cars / December 2006KIA: Worst Financial Decision I've Ever Made
I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was completely undrivable) and ~8,000 miles, I am free from the worst vehicle I have ever owned-- make that-- ever driven or ridden in. Because the dealer I traded it into refuses to even keep it on the lot, I had to accept auction value. When offering the low trade-in amount, they specifically noted that, because it is a Kia, it is practically worthless. I wound up with equity of -$4,000, but I had to cut my losses. I highly doubt that the vehicle will make it to 150K miles without needing at least one major and multiple minor repairs. I feel sorry for the next person who gets tricked into buying it (or for anyone who buys any Kia for that matter). I'm not financially well-off by any means, so buying the Sedona is a decision that will haunt me for years. I won't rehash all my problems with this vehicle or my feelings about the Kia corporation. They are spelled out in these two threads at KIA-forums.com: http://www.kia-forums.com/kia-carnival-sedona/31283-problems-w-newly-acquired-20 02-kia.html http://www.kia-forums.com/kia-carnival-sedona-forum/35559-whats-good-price-sedon a-ex.html#post162957 I'll stick around awhile before fading away... > I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. Why'd you keep it all that time? >I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. > After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the Kia corporation. They are spelled out in these two threads at > KIA-forums.com: Christian Yes, it's sad to read all those threads, and I am surprised that Kia Motors and their dealerships did not give you more support. I am in the UK, and we don't have such large distances to travel to the dealer, so I can be there in 20mins. I have a Sept.06 Sedona 2.9 diesel, done 1100 miles only, so it,s a bit early for anything major to happen. I have been going careful anyway, it's a low revving long stroke engine, with good torque. The top gear is approx. 35mph per 1000rpm. My latest fill up calculated to 25.6mpg, which is not as good s expected. The temp gauge is reading low, and I suspect the coolant sensor is also sending the wrong info. to the ECU, causing more fuel to be injected than necessary, well that's my theory at the moment. Good Luck with your new vehicle. Gordon >> Yes, it's sad to read all those threads, and I am surprised that Kia Motors > and their dealerships did not give you more support. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Good Luck with your new vehicle. > Gordon Hey Gordon, I hear the newer Sedona/Carnival minivans are supposed to be better. So, hopefully, your problems will be only a few minor ones and you'll have many miles of happy motoring. -- Christian I bouguht a 2002 kia spectra with 10,000 miles a year ago for 5,000 bucks, it has taken me to the mose remote places. great deal >I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. > After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I'll stick around awhile before fading away... I read your threads and those are really minor, picky things that could have or should have been fixed by the dealer. The bottom line is that you talked yourself into being 'hosed' by another wonderful dealer offering you a very low trade in. You basically got screwed by your 'new' dealer, not necessarily the Kia dealer. You bought a car with 100,000 miles on it, for heaven's sake!!! What did you expect? A Rolls? I didn't read anything that would have put it 'completely undriveable' for 1 1/2 months. I think you are just disgruntled more at yourself than anyone else. I have a 2003 Sedona and it's served us well with only a few pesky problems I have learned to live with rather than let the dealer screw things up worse. That is not a Kia trait but a dealer trait in general. >I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. > After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I'll stick around awhile before fading away... >You bought a car with 100,000 miles on it, for >heaven's sake!!! What did you expect? A Rolls? Honestly, a lot of vehicles run a lot longer with a lot less problems. I have an '85 Saab that chalked up 165K before dying. My '96 Plymouth Voyager is still going strong at 198K+. I know someone with a Chevy Suburban that's sound at over 170K. Rolls? Yeesh... >I think >you are just disgruntled more at yourself than anyone else. Great, an automobile newsgroup pyschotherapist. Just what I need. -- Christian I didn't say it wouldn't run anymore once it got to 100,000 miles. It's just that it is wishful thinking to believe that a car with 100,000 miles isn't going to have problems that need attention. Your '96 POS Voyager had its share of problems, I'm sure, because I owned one also. Maybe you should seek a psychotherapist, if you can't take criticism by me and, in case you didn't notice, others on this newsgroup. Tom >>You bought a car with 100,000 miles on it, for >>heaven's sake!!! What did you expect? A Rolls? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -- Christian >I didn't say it wouldn't run anymore once it got to 100,000 miles. It's >just that it is wishful thinking to believe that a car with 100,000 miles >isn't going to have problems that need attention. Your '96 POS Voyager had >its share of problems, I'm sure, because I owned one also. POS? You can't make that judgment because you know nothing about it. It hasn't been problem-free. But, none of its three big problems appeared before 180K miles. One of them was fixed free by Chrysler. Neither of the other two were as significant as the Sedona's burning a quart of oil every 3K miles. >Maybe you should seek a psychotherapist, if you can't take criticism by me >and, in case you didn't notice, others on this newsgroup. Criticism that focuses on the issue can be relevant. Otherwise, it's just argumentum ad hominem. -- Christian Shoot the messenger??? You're the one that mentioned that I was a psychotherapist for making my comments, so you were first to advance the argumentum ad hominem..... :o) How did you get Chrysler to pay for a repair at 180,000 miles??? I think we would all like to know how you forced them to do that. >>I didn't say it wouldn't run anymore once it got to 100,000 miles. It's >>just that it is wishful thinking to believe that a car with 100,000 miles [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -- Christian > You're the one that mentioned that I was a > psychotherapist for making my comments, so you were first to advance the > argumentum ad hominem..... :o) Nuh-uh. You wrote, "I think you are just disgruntled more at yourself than anyone else.." This took the focus off of the issue (the Sedona) and placed it upon the person (me). > How did you get Chrysler to pay for a repair at 180,000 miles??? I think we > would all like to know how you forced them to do that. Well, wasn't I who forced them. They issued a clockspring-repair recall about a month after my airbag light started glowing and my cruise control buttons stopped working. -- Christian > >You bought a car with 100,000 miles on it, for > >heaven's sake!!! What did you expect? A Rolls? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Voyager is still going strong at 198K+. I know someone with a Chevy > Suburban that's sound at over 170K. Rolls? Yeesh... Yes, you make a valid point. But what you completely missed the boat on is how was the vehicle treated and maintained for the first 100,000 miles? If you let an idiot put 100k on a car....wait, a MINIVAN for chrissakes that was probably helped along into its current condition by several kids, and then you get it...guess what, you just inherited a nightmare. And you cannot blame Kia for that. > >I think > >you are just disgruntled more at yourself than anyone else. > > Great, an automobile newsgroup pyschotherapist. Just what I need. I'm going to second what was said here. You've been hell bent on bashing Kia ever since you got here. Can I wave and help show you the door now that you've sold "the worst car of your life"? I mean really, why stick around and fill the room with hate? BTW - My 97 Sephia turned 100k on the way back from six flags magic mountain last weekend. We still managed to hit 105mph in traffic running smooth as silk. Hasn't burned a drop of oil, doesn't leak anything..but it does need a clutch pretty soon. But by your logic I should probably expect a door to fly off and the engine to throw a rod next time I drive it since I've hit the magical 100k mark. Regards, Chris > Yes, you make a valid point. But what you completely missed the boat on > is how was the vehicle treated and maintained for the first 100,000 > miles? If you let an idiot put 100k on a car....wait, a MINIVAN for > chrissakes that was probably helped along into its current condition > by several kids, and then you get it...guess what, you just inherited a > nightmare. And you cannot blame Kia for that. Well, for some of the things, possibly. For some of them, no. > I'm going to second what was said here. You've been hell bent on > bashing Kia ever since you got here. Can I wave and help show you the > door now that you've sold "the worst car of your life"? I mean really, > why stick around and fill the room with hate? First, this isn't alt.fan.kia. There's nothing to indicate that it's a gathering place for those who love Kia autos. Second, let's be accurate. I have not been "hell bent on bashing Kia" since I got here. My first post was seeking help on problems with my Sedona. I've posted a lot of messages trying to help others. What's odd is, I say negative things about a vehicle and you say I "fill the room with hate," but you and others don't mind shifting the issue away from an inanimate object in order to attack a person. Why shouldn't I stick around? If the responses to my very first post here are any indication, someone who can offer some help on a Sedona would be good in this group. > BTW - My 97 Sephia turned 100k on the way back from six flags magic > mountain last weekend. We still managed to hit 105mph in traffic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > engine to throw a rod next time I drive it since I've hit the magical > 100k mark. My Sedona was past 106K and still had all four doors (five, if you count the hatch), and hadn't thrown a rod. -- Christian Why stick around? There's a lemon in every lot of everything. My Kia Sportage is one of the best decisions I have ever made. Your comments are to inclusive. -MW > I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. > After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I'll stick around awhile before fading away... >Why stick around? There's a lemon in every lot of everything. My Kia >Sportage is one of the best decisions I have ever made. Why not stick around? >Your comments are to inclusive. Of course they're inclusive. I was talking about MY Sedona, MY problems, MY decision. I wasn't talking about YOUR Sportage, YOUR lack of problems, or YOUR decision. Inclusive? Yes, as designed. Too inclusive? Not at all. -- Christian >> I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. >> After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... Wrong--Here's your statement: "I feel sorry for the next person who gets tricked into buying it (or for anyone who buys any Kia for that matter)." If that is not an across the board all inclusive statement of ALL KIAS relative to your single own experience, then you do not know the meaning of such. -MW >>Why stick around? There's a lemon in every lot of everything. My Kia >>Sportage is one of the best decisions I have ever made. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... > Wrong--Here's your statement: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > relative to your single own experience, then you do not know the meaning > of such. That is an all-inclusive statement of MY feelings on the matter. If you don't think I should feel that way, that's your perogative. I'm not going to say you're wrong for thinking that. It doesn't make sense for you to say I'm wrong for feeling that way. Feelings and opinions are just that. They are not facts and, therefore, cannot be logically argued. -- Christian > >>Why stick around? There's a lemon in every lot of everything. My Kia > >>Sportage is one of the best decisions I have ever made. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >>> > >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... I will say it once again (last time)--One (you in this case) can not make an all-inclusive statement that no one should buy a Kia based on your one bad experience. I had a GE refrigerator that sucked but I am not going to say that no one should ever consider buying GE. Your emotions are getting the best of you. Needless to say, it sucks that 'your Kia experience' was negative, but does that translate into an across the board conclusion that "all Kia's suck and anyone who buys one is sad?" -MW >> Wrong--Here's your statement: >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> >>> >> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... Mark sensed the same thing that I did. "Your emotions are getting the best of you". That's why I was labeled as a psychotherapist by CMM and continued to get subjected to CMM's 'superior' intellect and debating skills. Since he doesn't have a Kia any longer, I also ask the question - 'Why hang around'. BE GONE!!! >I will say it once again (last time)--One (you in this case) can not make > an all-inclusive statement that no one should buy a Kia based on your one [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... >Mark sensed the same thing that I did. "Your emotions are getting the best >of you". That's why I was labeled as a psychotherapist by CMM and continued >to get subjected to CMM's 'superior' intellect and debating skills. Since >he doesn't have a Kia any longer, I also ask the question - 'Why hang >around'. BE GONE!!! Actually, I still have the Sedona... for one more day at least. -- Christian >>I will say it once again (last time)--One (you in this case) can not make >> an all-inclusive statement that no one should buy a Kia based on your one [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... Ditto to that! > Mark sensed the same thing that I did. "Your emotions are getting the best > of you". That's why I was labeled as a psychotherapist by CMM and continued [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... I've got to agree with the orig poster. I bought a used Sedona from the dealer and had all sorts of problems with it. The biggest problem was the dealer. Despite being still under warranty everything was my fault. After fighting tooth and nail with them on almost every issue they'd finally agree to fix it. Then they wouldn't have the parts. Kept the vehicle for four months and sold it. The hassle just wasn't worth it. I don't know if all the dealers are like that but the one in my area is awful. > Ditto to that! > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... >I've got to agree with the orig poster. I bought a used Sedona from the >dealer and had all sorts of problems with it. The biggest problem was the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >months and sold it. The hassle just wasn't worth it. I don't know if all >the dealers are like that but the one in my area is awful. Sorry to hear about your Sedona. A warranty is only as good as the people you have to rely on to honor it. What vehicle did you trade up to? I've read that bad dealers are one of Kia's weaknesses. I've also read that the corporation is trying to improve that. I suppose time will tell. -- Christian >> Ditto to that! >> [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... I traded for a PT Cruiser. I'm not particularly down on KIA but (there's no other way to put it) our local dealer sucks. We also have an Optima which had several relatively small problems after we got it. Parts were always an issue. I won't get another KIA because the next nearest dealer is 35 miles away. Frankly, I have no idea of what their reputation is. Bud >>I've got to agree with the orig poster. I bought a used Sedona from the >>dealer and had all sorts of problems with it. The biggest problem was [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> I'll stick around awhile before fading away... > I am very pleased to announce that I traded-in my 2002 Kia Sedona. > After only 9 months (with about 1-1/2 of those where the vehicle was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I'll stick around awhile before fading away... I Dont share your View.. i have 4 kia,s 2 optima s and 2 sedonas that we use for our company.a 03 with a mere 178956 miles on it and it runs great 2 new sets of Tires one new Alt(pain in the a.s) and a set of Brakes oh ja the rotors had to be cut! At the present time i am looking at replacing the 03 with a 05! I may not get much for the 03 but hell i drove the living S*&^% out of it(or should i say the delivery driver has.)
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