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I cant believe I am buying a KIA

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minus200(DELETETHIS) - 17 Feb 2007 02:16 GMT
I have made a deposit on a 2007 Amanti after seeing the car by accident.
 I helped my sister in law buy a new 2007 Rondo and while I was at the
dealer I saw and drove the Amanti.  I am not easily impressed but boy
was I impressed.  Since my 2006 Chrysler 300 caught fire on Jan 5,2007 I
have been trying to figure out how not to spend $40,000 plus on a new
Infinity M35.  I am tired of trying to settle with Chrysler and will
turn the case over to my lawyer if Chrysler does not upgrade their offer
early next week.  The Amanti was the biggest surprise of my car buying
life.  It is big enough for a big man like me and the finish work on the
inside was very impressive and it is loaded with equipment. In addition
to the std equipment I picked out one with all the extras.  The drive
was very nice and the best part was how quiet it was.  Much quieter than
my 300 and better than the Infinity.  When visiting my children, I drive
some of their cars and the Amanti seemed every bit as good as those.
One daughter has a SL500 -SL55 - S55 and GL450 all 2006 or newer
Mercedes and the other daughter gives me her Lexus 460 to drive.  While
these cars would be the envy of many drivers, I found the Amanti to be
their equal in all but "floored" speed and some hard cornering in the
Mercedes.  The new engine must be a big improvement over the 2006 Amanti
since I have never driven a 2006 but all the professional reviewers
commented on the difference.  The 2007 I drove was plenty fast for me.

I am somewhat concerned over what is an unusual buying decision for me.
 The resale is highly suspect at best and the local dealer's service
department's reputation is just terrible.  There is a new dealer in a
bedroom community about 35 minutes away that is developing a good
reputation so I may have some coverage with that issue.  KIA is not
exactly an icon for prestige cars and $30,000 is expensive for a car
company who has little or no history of making luxury cars and yes
$30,000 should buy a car with some level of luxury. I am also concerned
about finding parts once the car is out of warranty.

I hope a few here could give me some advice about the 2006 Amanti.  How
is the performance of the engine?  I ask because the 2006 models will
have a $6000 rebate as of March 1 and that is at least a $5000 savings.
 I can surely give up a little performance and mileage for that much
money.  I would like to hear from people that own one.
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MINUS200

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but
rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, scotch in the
other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming
"WOO HOO what a ride!"

Rev. Tom Wenndt - 17 Feb 2007 02:56 GMT
A couple of notes:

*The 2007 is indeed a (partial) re-design of the Amanti.  The engine in the
'07 is a 3.8L V6, as opposed to the 3.5L in the 2006.  The biggest
difference is that the 3.5L engine takes a timing belt that must be replaced
every 60,000 miles (the 3.8L has a timing chain you should never have to
worry about).  Otherwise, having owned two vehicles with this 3.5L engine in
it, it is a very smooth, responsive and powerful powertrain.  Fuel economy
may disappoint, but otherwise you will like it.  Early reports on the 3.8L
V6 is that it is one SERIOUS engine - as much power as you could ever, ever
need;

*The re-design makes the new Amanti virtually identical to the Hyundai
Azera, a vehicle that has gotten kudos from numerous automotive corners.  If
the Kia dealership in the bedroom community doesn't pan out, this is a
similar alternative you can take a look at;

*The thing a friend of mine who bought the new 2007 is bragging about the
most is the new stereo, something that both Hyundai and Kia had been very
unimpressive in previously;

*Remember that any 2006 model car, even one with 19 miles on it sitting in a
dealer's showroom, is now already considered a one-year-old used car, and
the value will reflect that the moment you drive it off the lot.  While the
new Amanti/Azera is obviously too new to compare how the resale will hold
up, the rather unremarkable record of the 2006 should give you pause, unless
you intend to keep the car a long, long time;

*Having said that, the new 2007 Amanti appears to be quite the "hot" car, at
least at this time.  While that may bode well for future re-sale value, for
the time being, it means that Kia dealers have been selling most of these
pretty close to full retail, an extreme rarity for Kia.  Kia, at least in
most parts of the country is offering $1000 cash back on it, and that may be
the most the dealer would do for you;

*I think that, just as both Kia and Hyundai have been working hard to
upgrade their vehicles, so you will find a number of things incrementally
better on the 2007, especially over the life of the car.  That said, any
re-design always carries with it at least some risk of
"first-year-car-itis," the disease that has especially bad with
all-new-domestic cars for decades.

*So which one to buy??  I guess it depends on where your life is right now
with the settlement and everything else.  As one who currently has one of
those 3.5L engines with the odometer reading just under 62,000 miles, and is
facing the daunting and terribly expensive task of replacing the timing
belt, I would have to lean towards the new model.  Everything about the 2007
seems to be something you can brag about compared to ANY other car out
there.
But mine is a 2004 that I bought in early 2005, using the same trick you are
considering - saving me thousands of dollars.  In my case, it allowed me to
buy a vehicle I needed (minivan) that there was no way I could have afforded
otherwise.  I did buy "gap" insurance so that, in the case of a wreck, I
would get back the total I owe, rather than what it is worth (a difference
of about $6000 right now).  If you want to feel like you are making the
steal of a lifetime, why not?

Again, since you asked about the engine in the '06, you will like everything
about it except the timing belt, and maybe the fuel economy.  The smoothness
fits the car, and the power is more than you need.

Hope this helps.

Tom Wenndt

>I have made a deposit on a 2007 Amanti after seeing the car by accident. I
>helped my sister in law buy a new 2007 Rondo and while I was at the dealer
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> surely give up a little performance and mileage for that much money.  I
> would like to hear from people that own one.
minus200(DELETETHIS) - 17 Feb 2007 21:23 GMT
Thanks for your prompt reply.

A couple of points

The Amanti has a lot more room for me (tall AND a big belly) on the
inside than the Azera - I did sit in both.  (Most cars dont have enough
headroom for a sunroof)

The dealer's price is "invoice" plus a "marketing allowance" of $554.00
that they claim is part of their cost plus a "doc" fee of $299.95.  That
brings the total before tax and title to $29,223.95 less the rebate of
$1000 which makes the final number $28,223.95.  Other than the doc fee
and marketing allowance these numbers match Edmunds cost figures
exactly.  If you have not looked recently, Edmunds put them up Feb 14 as
per my request.  FYI I am "pretty sure" the holdback (dealer rebate) is
$698.  This can be a very hard number to find and I am not 100% the
figure is correct but it is a guideline that figures in the mix.  If
these figures are correct the dealer will make a total gross profit of
$997.95 (doc fee + holdback) if the marketing fee is indeed a real cost.
I can live with that if he can.  I am again "pretty sure" that there is
no money in KIA's advertising budget to promote the Amanti so I suppose
I am paying to promote other cars in the line.

The car has a MSRP of $31,375.00 including the following options:
EC Electronic stability package:            $500
GL Leather Package                         $2500
KP Premium Package                         $1300
SR Power sunroof w/tilt                     $900
Shipping                                    $680

As for where my life is right now - the money is not a real issue.  If I
never make another dollar, I will not go hungry. I moved enough money to
my checking account to write a check for the car so Chrysler is not part
of the purchase plan. My "make up" is the problem- Because of the way I
was raised and lived most of my life, I just cant accept spending
$60,000 on a car when a more than adequate car can be bought for
$30,000.  I must admit I would enjoy being a little "smug" by buying a
car for a lot less money that is equal to or better than many of my
neighbors and friends that just go out and buy "icons" that are just
accepted as the best cars. I would never say anything but I would know
and that is enough.  I just hope the purchase does not overstep good
judgement and the last laugh is not on me. I can promise this - it wont
be the worst $30,000 I have ever spent.

I drove the car that I am buying and I have a real concern.  There is
wind noise around the sunroof when the headliner slide is open.  When
closed, I hear nothing. I opened and closed the sunroof itself and the
noise did not go away until I closed the headliner slide.  I have never
heard wind noise this loud on a quality car - I am concerned.  Anyone
have any ideas or comments.

> A couple of notes:
>
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>>surely give up a little performance and mileage for that much money.  I
>>would like to hear from people that own one.

Signature

MINUS200

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but
rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, scotch in the
other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming
"WOO HOO what a ride!"

KybonaWhogonna - 17 Feb 2007 23:28 GMT
Did your sister consider the Kia Sorento?
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> Thanks for your prompt reply.
>
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>>>can surely give up a little performance and mileage for that much money.
>>>I would like to hear from people that own one.
Rev. Tom Wenndt - 18 Feb 2007 01:31 GMT
Before you finalize the deal, tell the dealer about the problem.  It should
not be that way.  And sunroofs can be real stinkers when problems like that
start if they aren't stopped immediately.

As for the rest of your post, you hit on the one minus of the Hyundai Azera.
If you sat in the front seat of either a Kia Optima or a Hyundai Sonata,
either of them, for some reason, also have more room than the Azera.  Do not
know how Hyundai "goofed" in that regard.

But as one who has a stature similar to yours, and hates being squeezed in
vehicles, I'm with you on this.

P.S. Sounds like you are getting a GREAT deal on the '07.  Get that sunroof
thing fixed and enjoy.

Tom Wenndt

> Thanks for your prompt reply.
>
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>>>can surely give up a little performance and mileage for that much money.
>>>I would like to hear from people that own one.
halatos@gmail.com - 18 Feb 2007 18:11 GMT
On Feb 16, 7:16 pm, "minus200(DELETETHIS)"
> I have made a deposit on a 2007 Amanti after seeing the car by accident.
>   I helped my sister in law buy a new 2007 Rondo and while I was at the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> inside was very impressive and it is loaded with equipment. In addition
> to the std equipment I picked out one with all the extras.  The drive

<snip>

I'll just add that while I really like Kia vehicles, having a bad
dealer service dept is what really ruined a lot of things for me. It
got to the point that the last thing that came up(torn CV boot) just
inside of the warranty, I bit the bullet and fixed it myself with a
reman axle. Those goons at the dealer broke more stuff than they fixed
and I didn't want to give them another opportunity.

I have to drive clear across town now to get dealer parts(but
understand that I do NOT have to go very often....). If the service
dept at the dealer already has you concerned, I would suggest shopping
another dealer to see how that one works for you. The new dealer I use
for parts is great, the counter help is always professional, they sell
parts for MSRP without marking them up, etc. They're just a bunch of
great guys who care about keeping the customer happy. And if you want
a good ownership experience you really need that from the start.

Good luck with your decision.

Chris
minus200(DELETETHIS) - 18 Feb 2007 18:45 GMT
Thanks and my personal thanks to all that have been so kind to share
their knowledge and experience with KIA's

> On Feb 16, 7:16 pm, "minus200(DELETETHIS)"
>
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>
> Chris

Signature

MINUS200

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but
rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, scotch in the
other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming
"WOO HOO what a ride!"

mookie - 18 Feb 2007 18:54 GMT
FWIW - for me, KIA stands for Keeping It Affordable.  Our 02 Optima (100,000
miles and counting) has been a delight and the most cost efficient car I've
ever owned.

Rich

> Thanks and my personal thanks to all that have been so kind to share their
> knowledge and experience with KIA's
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>>
>> Chris
 
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