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Question on Buying a Car in Canada
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dano - 28 Dec 2003 03:22 GMT Hello, I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an automobile across the border in Canada and bringing it into the USA? I live in Seattle so that's not very far...
A friend of ours said they know a couple that have done it... hopefully it was worth it in not being much trouble, and cost-savings?
Anyone know anything on this, have an experience or know where to get some more information on this? I would suspect that once you came into the country with it... lets say Canada for example... you would have (x) amount of days to pay the taxes and perhaps get some emmisions test or something and all that???
Thanks Dano
JH - 28 Dec 2003 04:21 GMT some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the warranty.
> Hello, > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks > Dano Stephen Bigelow - 28 Dec 2003 05:26 GMT > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the warranty. Nobody will honour a warranty on anything bought from another company.
Sony Canada Honda Canada JVC Canada...etc. warranty is issued by, and honoured by, _them_.
Sony, Honda, and JVC USA are entirely different companies.
Now, onto some answers.... http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm
> > Hello, > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks > > Dano X - 02 Jan 2004 01:20 GMT errr.. .Stephen, WRONG !
Honda does honor its warranty and even honors the 'honda' extended warranty! It's Honda Plus in canada and Honda Care in US.
> > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the > warranty. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > Thanks > > > Dano Stephen Bigelow - 02 Jan 2004 04:03 GMT > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG ! > > Honda does honor its warranty and even honors the 'honda' extended warranty! > It's Honda Plus in canada > and Honda Care in US. Will Honda Plus honour a Honda Care?
Have you actually done this?
> > > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the > > warranty. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > > Thanks > > > > Dano Scott MacLean - 02 Jan 2004 16:34 GMT From http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer %20_to_US.htm
Q. Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the United States if I move there with my car?
A. No. Check your Honda or Acura Plus contract for details on how to obtain a pro-rated refund if you are moving outside Canada with your vehicle.
If it's not transferable one way, I would suspect it's not transferable the other way either.
> > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG ! > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > > > Now, onto some answers.... http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm
> > > > > Hello, > > > > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Dano Stephen Bigelow - 02 Jan 2004 17:06 GMT > From http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer %20_to_US.htm
> Q. Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the United > States if I move there with my car? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If it's not transferable one way, I would suspect it's not transferable the > other way either. Pretty sure it wasn't. Thanks for the positive confirmation.
> > > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG ! > > > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Dano X - 03 Jan 2004 22:55 GMT http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer %20_to_US.htm
> > Q. Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the United > > States if I move there with my car? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pretty sure it wasn't. Thanks for the positive confirmation. Hmm... I already filed 2 claims on Honda Plus while living in NJ via a honda dealer in NJ. One think i could think of is that the standard rate for a honda mechanic in US is around 60-75 per hour. If a US dealer is providing any type of service for Honda Plus, they will want that same rate which translate to 84-105 Cdn$$. That IS a VERY steep rate for Honda Plus Canada to pay out.
> > > "X" <X@Y.COM> wrote in message > news:E7GdnTHmWceXWmmi4p2dnA@comcast.com... [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Dano Larry - 05 Jan 2004 22:20 GMT Try Calif.....where the hourly rate is $80-85 per hour in US $ BTW...where is your Honda registered? If one were able to buy a car in Canada, customs duty also must be paid, in addition to applicable sales taxes.
http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer %20_to_US.htm
> > > Q. Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the > United [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message news:cQtHb.182638$ea%.98545@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > > > > > > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour > the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, onto some answers.... http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm
> > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Dano X - 07 Jan 2004 17:05 GMT Currently registered in WA. I didn't have to pay duty when moving down here b/c I have dual citizenship and was living in Canada at the time. Not sure how much custom $$ is but sales tax here in US is still lower than in Canada
> Try Calif.....where the hourly rate is $80-85 per hour in US $ > BTW...where is your Honda registered? If one were able to buy a car in > Canada, customs duty also must be paid, in addition to applicable sales > taxes. http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer %20_to_US.htm
> > > > Q. Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the > > United [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message news:846Jb.213697$2We1.183586@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > > > > "X" <X@Y.COM> wrote in message > > > news:E7GdnTHmWceXWmmi4p2dnA@comcast.com... [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Dano X - 03 Jan 2004 22:50 GMT not sure if Honda Plus honors Honda Care ( the orig. question was re: a Seattle guy wanting to buy a car from Canada then take it back to Seattle) but Honda dealers in WA will definitely honors Honda Plus.
The dealer (not you) has an extra phone call to make but they will do it .
> > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG ! > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > > > Now, onto some answers.... http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm
> > > > > Hello, > > > > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Dano FaisalCorollaTypeS - 28 Dec 2003 07:53 GMT > Hello, > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks > Dano Well, I was at the Lexus showroom last weekend. My friend is looking into buying either a Lexus IS300 or Acura TSX. So, the salesman actually told us that a lot of their orders come from the US and people in the US generally make it a point to buy a Lexus from Canada and then import it. I guess, taxes aside he claimed it is still a cheaper for American buyers. I am not sure about the intricate details, but I guess people do it for a good enough reason.
Gordo - 28 Dec 2003 15:31 GMT Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?. Think of it as a buck and a half in Canada. A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only cost you $14,000 USD. While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer, too! But then we are talking big money there. $20. for a dozen.
Tom Hamilton - 28 Dec 2003 16:10 GMT > Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?. Think of it as > a buck and a half in Canada. A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only > cost you $14,000 USD. While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer, > too! But then we are talking big money there. $20. for a dozen. I think I remember paying $6.50 USD for a beer at a bar in Kingston Ontario. Had I known it was that much it wouldn't have been a Labatt's.
Daniel - 28 Dec 2003 19:42 GMT > I think I remember paying $6.50 USD for a beer at a bar in Kingston Ontario. Had I > known it was that much it wouldn't have been a Labatt's. You have been cheated.
Daniel, Montreal
Gordo - 28 Dec 2003 22:03 GMT Depends on the "entertainment", eh?
FaisalCorollaTypeS - 28 Dec 2003 20:01 GMT > Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?. Think of it as > a buck and a half in Canada. A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only > cost you $14,000 USD. While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer, > too! But then we are talking big money there. $20. for a dozen. Well, it is around $1.29-$1.30
MikeHunt2@mailcity.com - 28 Dec 2003 22:32 GMT You are forgetting that a vehicle costs half again as much in Canada, one that sells for 20K in the US sells for 30K in Canada. ;)
mike hunt
> Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?. Think of it as > a buck and a half in Canada. A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only > cost you $14,000 USD. While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer, > too! But then we are talking big money there. $20. for a dozen. Stephen Bigelow - 28 Dec 2003 23:09 GMT > You are forgetting that a vehicle costs half again as much > in Canada, one that sells for 20K in the US sells for 30K > in Canada. ;) Please be specific.
> > Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?. Think of it as > > a buck and a half in Canada. A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only > > cost you $14,000 USD. Gordo - 29 Dec 2003 01:46 GMT New Tacoma for 22,500 CDN MSRP ... pretty good deal. Other used deals ...
Sample of local dealer in Vancouver, BC suburb of Surrey
http://www.jptoyota-surrey.com/
Artfulcodger - 28 Dec 2003 18:16 GMT > Hello, > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks > Dano Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought a lot of cars out of Ontario and converted them miles from kilometres and did very well for themselves.
Now that the US dollar has dropped or the Canadian one has risen it is not all that advantageous.
I have found the list price of new cars here in Canada seem to be lower than the US when the dollar is converted but have not done a comparison of late.
Mike
James - 28 Dec 2003 19:05 GMT if you are going to do it do it soon, about a year ago 1 canadian dollar was worth 62 cents american, now its worth 75, and predicted to be at 85 in another year....your savings are going down and down as we speak.
> > Hello, > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mike Ed - 30 Dec 2003 21:52 GMT > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought a lot of cars out of > Ontario and converted them miles from kilometres and did very well [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mike *Shudder* thinking of buying a car that has been through several Canadian winters... A friend from Toronto once told me he had to toss away an otherwise perfectly good car, because the floor was completely rusted through...
Artfulcodger - 30 Dec 2003 22:23 GMT > > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought a lot of cars out of > > Ontario and converted them miles from kilometres and did very well [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > otherwise perfectly good car, because the floor was completely rusted > through... Southern Ontario is no different in climate than Detroit, Cleveland Pittsburgh, Buffalo or even Boston for that matter. I had a floor give out on a 90 Fifth Avenue after 11 winters and that was only because I didn't oil spray it each year. Those horror stories of two years and rot are old hat now with the better undercoating coming from the factory and winters are not near as harsh as they were ten years ago so less salt is used on our roads.
The Artful Codger Basking in 35- 40 degree weather and no snow .
FaisalCorollaTypeS - 31 Dec 2003 16:32 GMT > > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought a lot of cars out of > > Ontario and converted them miles from kilometres and did very well [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > otherwise perfectly good car, because the floor was completely rusted > through... Ontario is not any colder than most of the US states such as, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc.
Philip? - 31 Dec 2003 19:07 GMT In news:8b0f8233.0312310832.6adc8ca8@posting.google.com, FaisalCorollaTypeS <faisal_ajmal62@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in news:v6FHb.188483$ea%.119962@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
> > > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought a lot of cars out > > > of Ontario and converted them miles from kilometres and did [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Ontario is not any colder than most of the US states such as, > Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc. Like hell! "MOST" of the US does not get Ontario's artic blast nor the salt/sand treatment to its roads. WI, WY, MA, NY, MN, etc are not "most" of the US. (Texas is -most- of the US .... Hehehhehe).
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-Philip
"Whatever is a choice will become chosen"
Michael - 03 Jan 2004 06:55 GMT >>*Shudder* thinking of buying a car that has been through several Canadian >>winters... A friend from Toronto once told me he had to toss away an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ontario is not any colder than most of the US states such as, > Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc. So, be careful with buying a car from Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc. :)
Not only because of salt/sand treatment. Rubber things in chassis have a hard life too. Permanent running cold engine every morning with oil like gel is not good for it also.
TomP - 29 Dec 2003 00:59 GMT Pro: may be cheaper, may have amenities not available in US. Con: No support for 'gray market' cars from AHM, i.e. warranty or service support. Dealer service may be less than expected on gray market car.
> Hello, > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks > Dano --
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Robert Cohen - 30 Dec 2003 23:24 GMT what are the cuirrent canadian interest rates?
auto interest rate rom bank?
30 year house mortgage rate?
certificate of deposit or treasury rate(s) ?
Gordo - 31 Dec 2003 16:54 GMT Thanks to all for keeping this very civil .... like a discussion between friends across the kitchen table. Happy New Year to All!
Tom Wilson - 01 Jan 2004 21:52 GMT > Thanks to all for keeping this very civil .... like a discussion between > friends across the kitchen table. Happy New Year to All! I agree with you. I hope that everyone in this newsgroup has a Happy New Year.
X - 03 Jan 2004 23:02 GMT The one thing that really sucks about driving a Canadian car in the US is to take it to your local Honda Dealer.
I took my beloved honda to the dealer for the usual 60 Km service which should only cost about $ 200 max.
The dealer was confused (didn't read the odometer correctly) and gave me the 90,000 MILES service which include the works (timing belt, hoses, flushing fluids, .......)
Total cost? almost $ 1100.00. So just be a little extra careful when you take it to the dealership for service
> Hello, > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks > Dano Devils Advocate - 05 Jan 2004 13:34 GMT Well I'm from canada and I can tell you one big advantage about buying a car in canada (at least certain places in canada for example Newfoundland) cars are a damn lot cheaper. However a con would be that in parts of canada where salt is used on the roads in the winter, and if near salty water, the cars are sometimes rusty.
> The one thing that really sucks about driving a Canadian car > in the US is to take it to your local Honda Dealer. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Thanks > > Dano brian grose - 16 Jan 2004 22:04 GMT And you paid the bill???
> The one thing that really sucks about driving a Canadian car > in the US is to take it to your local Honda Dealer. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Thanks > > Dano X - 17 Jan 2004 07:14 GMT no they ended up footing the amount over 200. but i had to basically threaten to sue them.
> And you paid the bill??? > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > Thanks > > > Dano See Your Lights - 05 Jan 2004 21:10 GMT > Hello, > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks > Dano Is Canada a different country? I thought they were annexed already. ;)
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