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Question on Buying a Car in Canada

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dano - 28 Dec 2003 03:22 GMT
Hello,
I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
automobile across the border in Canada and bringing it into the USA?  I live
in Seattle so that's not very far...

A friend of ours said they know a couple that have done it... hopefully it
was worth it in not being much trouble, and cost-savings?

Anyone know anything on this, have an experience or know where to get some
more information on this?
I would suspect that once you came into the country with it... lets say
Canada for example... you would have (x) amount of days to pay the taxes and
perhaps get some emmisions test or something and all that???

Thanks
Dano
JH - 28 Dec 2003 04:21 GMT
some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the warranty.

> Hello,
> I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks
> Dano
Stephen Bigelow - 28 Dec 2003 05:26 GMT
> some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the warranty.

Nobody will honour a warranty on anything bought from another company.

Sony Canada
Honda Canada
JVC Canada...etc. warranty is issued by, and honoured by, _them_.

Sony, Honda, and JVC USA are entirely different companies.

Now, onto some answers....
http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm

> > Hello,
> > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > Thanks
> > Dano
X - 02 Jan 2004 01:20 GMT
errr.. .Stephen, WRONG !

Honda does honor its warranty and even honors the 'honda' extended warranty!
It's Honda Plus in canada
and Honda Care in US.

> > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the
> warranty.
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> > > Thanks
> > > Dano
Stephen Bigelow - 02 Jan 2004 04:03 GMT
> errr.. .Stephen, WRONG !
>
> Honda does honor its warranty and even honors the 'honda' extended warranty!
> It's Honda Plus in canada
> and Honda Care in US.

Will Honda Plus honour a Honda Care?

Have you actually done this?

> > > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour the
> > warranty.
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> > > > Thanks
> > > > Dano
Scott MacLean - 02 Jan 2004 16:34 GMT
From
http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer
%20_to_US.htm


Q.   Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the United
States if I move there with my car?

A.   No. Check your Honda or Acura Plus contract for details on how to
obtain a pro-rated refund if you are moving outside Canada with your
vehicle.

If it's not transferable one way, I would suspect it's not transferable the
other way either.

> > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG !
> >
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> > >
> > > Now, onto some answers....

http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm

> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Dano
Stephen Bigelow - 02 Jan 2004 17:06 GMT
> From

http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer
%20_to_US.htm


> Q.   Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the United
> States if I move there with my car?
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> If it's not transferable one way, I would suspect it's not transferable the
> other way either.

Pretty sure it wasn't. Thanks for the positive confirmation.

> > > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG !
> > >
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> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Dano
X - 03 Jan 2004 22:55 GMT
http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer
%20_to_US.htm


> > Q.   Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the United
> > States if I move there with my car?
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>
> Pretty sure it wasn't. Thanks for the positive confirmation.

Hmm... I already filed 2 claims on Honda Plus while living in NJ  via a
honda dealer in NJ.
One think i could think of is that the standard rate for a honda mechanic in
US is around 60-75 per hour.
If a US dealer is providing any type of service for Honda Plus, they will
want that same rate which
translate to 84-105 Cdn$$.  That IS a VERY steep rate for Honda Plus Canada
to pay out.

> > > "X" <X@Y.COM> wrote in message
> news:E7GdnTHmWceXWmmi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
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> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Dano
Larry - 05 Jan 2004 22:20 GMT
Try Calif.....where the hourly rate is $80-85 per hour in US $
BTW...where is your Honda registered?  If one were able to buy a car in
Canada, customs duty also must be paid, in addition to applicable sales
taxes.

http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer
%20_to_US.htm


> > > Q.   Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the
> United
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> > > >
> > > > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:cQtHb.182638$ea%.98545@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

> > > > > > > some manufacturers such as Toyota and Chrysler will not honour
> the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, onto some answers....

http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm

> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > Dano
X - 07 Jan 2004 17:05 GMT
Currently registered in WA. I didn't have to pay duty when moving down here
b/c I have dual citizenship and was living in Canada at the time.
Not sure how much custom $$ is but sales tax here in US is still lower than
in Canada

> Try Calif.....where the hourly rate is $80-85 per hour in US $
> BTW...where is your Honda registered?  If one were able to buy a car in
> Canada, customs duty also must be paid, in addition to applicable sales
> taxes.

http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles/Plus_tranfer
%20_to_US.htm


> > > > Q.   Is my Honda Plus extended warranty policy transferable to the
> > United
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> >
> > > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:846Jb.213697$2We1.183586@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

> > > > > "X" <X@Y.COM> wrote in message
> > > news:E7GdnTHmWceXWmmi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > Dano
X - 03 Jan 2004 22:50 GMT
not sure if Honda Plus honors Honda Care ( the orig. question was re:
a Seattle guy wanting to buy a car from Canada then take it back to Seattle)
but Honda dealers in WA will definitely honors Honda Plus.

The dealer (not you) has an extra phone call to make but they will do it .

> > errr.. .Stephen, WRONG !
> >
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> > >
> > > Now, onto some answers....

http://www.honda.ca/HondaEng/YouAndYourCar/FAQ/Movement_of_Vehicles.htm

> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Dano
FaisalCorollaTypeS - 28 Dec 2003 07:53 GMT
> Hello,
> I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks
> Dano

Well, I was at the Lexus showroom last weekend. My friend is looking
into buying either a Lexus IS300 or Acura TSX. So, the salesman
actually told us that a lot of their orders come from the US and
people in the US generally make it a point to buy a Lexus from Canada
and then import it. I guess, taxes aside he claimed it is still a
cheaper for American buyers. I am not sure about the intricate
details, but I guess people do it for a good enough reason.
Gordo - 28 Dec 2003 15:31 GMT
Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?.  Think of it as
a buck and a half in Canada.  A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only
cost you $14,000 USD.  While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer,
too!  But then we are talking big money there.  $20. for a dozen.
Tom Hamilton - 28 Dec 2003 16:10 GMT
> Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?.  Think of it as
> a buck and a half in Canada.  A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only
> cost you $14,000 USD.  While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer,
> too!  But then we are talking big money there.  $20. for a dozen.

I think I remember paying $6.50 USD for a beer at a bar in Kingston Ontario. Had I
known it was that much it wouldn't have been a Labatt's.
Daniel - 28 Dec 2003 19:42 GMT
> I think I remember paying $6.50 USD for a beer at a bar in Kingston Ontario. Had I
> known it was that much it wouldn't have been a Labatt's.

You have been cheated.

Daniel, Montreal
Gordo - 28 Dec 2003 22:03 GMT
Depends on the "entertainment", eh?
FaisalCorollaTypeS - 28 Dec 2003 20:01 GMT
> Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?.  Think of it as
> a buck and a half in Canada.  A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only
> cost you $14,000 USD.  While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer,
> too!  But then we are talking big money there.  $20. for a dozen.

Well, it is around $1.29-$1.30
MikeHunt2@mailcity.com - 28 Dec 2003 22:32 GMT
You are forgetting that a vehicle costs half again as much
in Canada, one that sells for 20K in the US sells for 30K
in Canada.   ;)

mike hunt

> Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?.  Think of it as
> a buck and a half in Canada.  A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only
> cost you $14,000 USD.  While you are at it, you can pick up some real beer,
> too!  But then we are talking big money there.  $20. for a dozen.
Stephen Bigelow - 28 Dec 2003 23:09 GMT
> You are forgetting that a vehicle costs half again as much
> in Canada, one that sells for 20K in the US sells for 30K
> in Canada.   ;)

Please be specific.

> > Reason number 1 .... feel that dollar bill in your pocket?.  Think of it as
> > a buck and a half in Canada.  A $20,000 vehicle here in Canada will only
> > cost you $14,000 USD.
Gordo - 29 Dec 2003 01:46 GMT
New Tacoma for 22,500 CDN MSRP ... pretty good deal.  Other used deals ...

Sample of local dealer in Vancouver, BC suburb of Surrey

http://www.jptoyota-surrey.com/
Artfulcodger - 28 Dec 2003 18:16 GMT
> Hello,
> I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thanks
> Dano

Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought  a lot of cars out of Ontario
and  converted them miles from kilometres and did very well
for themselves.

Now that the US dollar has dropped or the Canadian one has risen it is not
all that advantageous.

I have found the list price of new cars here in Canada seem to be lower than
the US when the dollar is converted but have not done a comparison of late.

Mike
James - 28 Dec 2003 19:05 GMT
if you are going to do it do it soon, about a year ago 1 canadian dollar was
worth 62 cents american, now its worth 75, and predicted to be at 85 in
another year....your savings are going down and down as we speak.

> > Hello,
> > I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Mike
Ed - 30 Dec 2003 21:52 GMT
> Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought  a lot of cars out of
> Ontario and  converted them miles from kilometres and did very well
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Mike

*Shudder* thinking of buying a car that has been through several Canadian
winters... A friend from Toronto once told me he had to toss away an
otherwise perfectly good car, because the floor was completely rusted
through...
Artfulcodger - 30 Dec 2003 22:23 GMT
> > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought  a lot of cars out of
> > Ontario and  converted them miles from kilometres and did very well
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> otherwise perfectly good car, because the floor was completely rusted
> through...

Southern Ontario is no different in climate than Detroit, Cleveland
Pittsburgh,  Buffalo or even Boston for that matter.
I had a floor give out on a 90 Fifth Avenue after 11 winters and that was
only because I didn't oil spray it each year.
Those horror stories of two years and rot are old hat now with the better
undercoating coming from the factory and winters are not near as harsh as
they were ten years ago so less salt is used on our roads.

The Artful Codger
Basking in 35- 40 degree weather and no snow .
FaisalCorollaTypeS - 31 Dec 2003 16:32 GMT
> > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought  a lot of cars out of
> > Ontario and  converted them miles from kilometres and did very well
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> otherwise perfectly good car, because the floor was completely rusted
> through...

Ontario is not any colder than most of the US states such as,
Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc.
Philip? - 31 Dec 2003 19:07 GMT
In news:8b0f8233.0312310832.6adc8ca8@posting.google.com,
FaisalCorollaTypeS <faisal_ajmal62@hotmail.com> being of bellicose
mind posted:
> > "Artfulcodger" <mcbat@rogers.com> wrote in

news:v6FHb.188483$ea%.119962@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:

> > > Up to a year ago US used car dealers bought  a lot of cars out
> > > of Ontario and  converted them miles from kilometres and did
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Ontario is not any colder than most of the US states such as,
> Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc.

Like hell!  "MOST" of the US does not get Ontario's artic blast nor
the salt/sand treatment to its roads.  WI, WY, MA, NY, MN, etc are
not "most" of the US.   (Texas is -most- of the US .... Hehehhehe).

--

 -Philip

"Whatever is a choice will become chosen"
Michael - 03 Jan 2004 06:55 GMT
>>*Shudder* thinking of buying a car that has been through several Canadian
>>winters... A friend from Toronto once told me he had to toss away an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Ontario is not any colder than most of the US states such as,
> Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets, NY, Washington, Minnesota etc.

So, be careful with buying a car from Wisconsin, Wyoming, Massechussets,
NY, Washington, Minnesota etc. :)

Not only because of salt/sand treatment. Rubber things in chassis have a
hard life too. Permanent running cold engine every morning with oil like
gel is not good for it also.
TomP - 29 Dec 2003 00:59 GMT
Pro: may be cheaper, may have amenities not available in US.
Con: No  support for 'gray market' cars from AHM, i.e. warranty or service
support.  Dealer service may be less than expected on gray market car.

> Hello,
> I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks
> Dano

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Robert Cohen - 30 Dec 2003 23:24 GMT
what are the cuirrent canadian interest rates?

auto interest rate rom bank?

30 year house mortgage rate?

certificate of deposit or treasury rate(s) ?
Gordo - 31 Dec 2003 16:54 GMT
Thanks to all for keeping this very civil .... like a discussion between
friends across the kitchen table.  Happy New Year to All!
Tom Wilson - 01 Jan 2004 21:52 GMT
> Thanks to all for keeping this very civil .... like a discussion between
> friends across the kitchen table.  Happy New Year to All!

I agree with you. I hope that everyone in this newsgroup has
a Happy New Year.
X - 03 Jan 2004 23:02 GMT
The one thing that really sucks about driving a Canadian car
in the US is to take it to your local Honda Dealer.

I took my beloved honda to the dealer for the usual 60 Km service
which should only cost about $ 200 max.

The dealer was confused (didn't read the odometer correctly)
and gave me the 90,000 MILES service which include the works
(timing belt, hoses, flushing fluids, .......)

Total cost? almost $ 1100.00.  So just be a little extra careful
when you take it to the dealership for service

> Hello,
> I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks
> Dano
Devils Advocate - 05 Jan 2004 13:34 GMT
Well I'm from canada and I can tell you one big advantage about buying a car
in canada (at least certain places in canada for example Newfoundland) cars
are a damn lot cheaper. However a con would be that in parts of canada where
salt is used on the roads in the winter, and if near salty water, the cars
are sometimes rusty.
> The one thing that really sucks about driving a Canadian car
> in the US is to take it to your local Honda Dealer.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > Thanks
> > Dano
brian grose - 16 Jan 2004 22:04 GMT
And you paid the bill???

> The one thing that really sucks about driving a Canadian car
> in the US is to take it to your local Honda Dealer.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > Thanks
> > Dano
X - 17 Jan 2004 07:14 GMT
no they ended up footing the amount over 200. but i had
to basically threaten to sue them.

> And you paid the bill???
>
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> > > Thanks
> > > Dano
See Your Lights - 05 Jan 2004 21:10 GMT
> Hello,
> I was curious if anyone has looked into the pros/cons of buying an
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks
> Dano

Is Canada a different country? I thought they were annexed already. ;)
 
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